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Off-Season Roster Thread #2 -- Nothing to do but wait

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Jacob582 said:
I don't know. Why has EF and now Chad D commented on VO being on the trade market? Is it a hockey decision or a money decision?

EF mentioned the Sabres were concerned about his possible arbitration award :huh:
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Remember, EF was being pumped with info from Eichel's agent/people during that whole debacle. I don't for one millisecond believe that he has an actual source inside the Sabres.

I think Chad is just parroting EF in the hopes of getting views.

A VO trade, as @Chainshot alluded to -- would be a pure hockey trade and not a trade motivated by money in any way.
 
Zman5778 said:
Remember, EF was being pumped with info from Eichel's agent/people during that whole debacle. I don't for one millisecond believe that he has an actual source inside the Sabres.

I think Chad is just parroting EF in the hopes of getting views.

A VO trade, as @Chainshot alluded to -- would be a pure hockey trade and not a trade motivated by money in any way.
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I was under the impression that Chad and his podcast partner Anthony are pro-VO. They’ve said many times you can’t coach his ability to score goals. It’s a complicated thing for me. Are we to expect Quinn to replace him immediately? I don’t know. The league gets younger every year in terms of young guys putting up numbers. At the same time I would like to insert a different style of player into the lineup. I’m so torn.
 
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Jim Bob said:
I think the Bishop trade shows that they don't have any plans to land a big money UFA, especially at forward.

They want to take another year to really see what they have on the roster at forward and how Quinn and Peterka look in the NHL.
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I know and its very disappointing. We are not boxing out our prospects so we can see if they develop into a player like….Forsberg. So why not sign him now? It would put less pressure on Quinn, JJP, Krebs and Mitts to step up. It adds more depth and talent this year and his age fits within our build. But I digress
 
Jim Bob said:
I think the Bishop trade shows that they don't have any plans to land a big money UFA, especially at forward.

They want to take another year to really see what they have on the roster at forward and how Quinn and Peterka look in the NHL.
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Also gives them another year to try to build publicity of the team among players. They have a lot to overcome there, from the perception of the area to the Eichel situation to stacking losses on losses over the years - if they are over .500 for the year and again all about the vibes, that may sell better in the summer of '23 when it comes time to augment further.
 
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Jacob582 said:
Your banned from spending Pegula money from now on.
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*laughs in marrying into the family*

Anyway, Colorado is gonna need money for Nichuskin, Burakovsky, and a Kadri replacement (either individually or by committee). They replace part of that production saving $6.5M. Dadonov gets to play in a no tax state like he is in Nevada, currently.

Vegas gets to clear cap, while still having an NHL body. It’s a huge downgrade for the team but they got themselves into that mess. You wanna be a mercenary then expect other teams to do it to you.

My series of moves ends up with a better version of Bjork, gives an above average starter, a 3rd pairing veteran RHD and pushes Fitz down properly, a 3C or 3W with jam and some skill, a 4C with strong defensive metrics, and gives Rochester a Russian who has already played in North America to help acclimate Kisakov that can play multiple positions.

In other words: all positions of need get filled, plus extra bonuses that you don’t realize you need (or at least are helpful).

Out: Bjork, 1st, $3M
In: Reimer (1A), Dahlen (12-14 forward), Erik J (top 6 veteran RHD), Compher (top 9 FW), Sturm (4th liner), Kashnikov (Rochester player)

Ignoring names, if you were told trading Bjork and a 1st results in 6 players, you’d seriously consider it.
 
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BuffaloGooner said:
I was under the impression that Chad and his podcast partner Anthony are pro-VO. They’ve said many times you can’t coach his ability to score goals. It’s a complicated thing for me. Are we to expect Quinn to replace him immediately? I don’t know. The league gets younger every year in terms of young guys putting up numbers. At the same time I would like to insert a different style of player into the lineup. I’m so torn.
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If Olofsson gets forced to the pressbox by losing his spot to a younger player, then move him. In the meantime, he's one of the few guys who can finesse pucks in from range on a team light in natural scoring so it seems odd to think that there is some dire need to move the guy. Now, that also doesn't include how some people have drawn some line of cap demarcation about a future salary that hasn't even come to pass, as though he's making more than his worth already. He's not even signed yet and some talk of moving him because they've made up a number in their heads. It's shown up in this space and twitter for months.
 
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BuffaloGooner said:
I was under the impression that Chad and his podcast partner Anthony are pro-VO. They’ve said many times you can’t coach his ability to score goals. It’s a complicated thing for me. Are we to expect Quinn to replace him immediately? I don’t know. The league gets younger every year in terms of young guys putting up numbers. At the same time I would like to insert a different style of player into the lineup. I’m so torn.
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That's kind of where I am. I'd love to see a guy like Puljujarvi who seems to bring an element they don't have a ton of. But then who do you move to make room for him? There's just not enough room for everyone as well as maybe adding a piece or two among the forward group. My hope is a few players break out or step their games up this season to give more clarity on the group as a whole and perhaps make some of the longer term decisions easier.
 
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JLewyB said:
I know and its very disappointing. We are not boxing out our prospects so we can see if they develop into a player like….Forsberg. So why not sign him now? It would put less pressure on Quinn, JJP, Krebs and Mitts to step up. It adds more depth and talent this year and his age fits within our build. But I digress
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I am rarely a fan of throwing the usually stupid UFA money that a winger like Forsberg is likely to get on the open market.

I wouldn't want Adams to throw UFA money for significant term at any UFA, especially at forward.

If they splash UFA money, I would hope it would be on shorter term deals to address needs in goal and at RHD.
 
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Jim Bob said:
I am rarely a fan of throwing the usually stupid UFA money that a winger like Forsberg is likely to get on the open market.

I wouldn't want Adams to throw UFA money for significant term at any UFA, especially at forward.

If they splash UFA money, I would hope it would be on shorter term deals to address needs in goal and at RHD.
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Yeah, outside of the grindy type of player (Nick Paul, etc).....I can't see us spending money on forward. Especially not big money on a top 6 guy......and even more specifically on a one-dimensional forward. That said, I wouldn't necessarily mind getting a bit dumb on a guy like Nick Paul....someone whose type we don't really have in the system, need going forward.....and is hard to otherwise get.

When you think of grindy, defensive guys we have on the roster or upcoming at forward.....it's Asplund, Girgensons and then what? Getting a little dumb on term and AAV I'm ok with on these types specifically.


Otherwise, I completely agree -- spend in net and on D.
 
MarkusKetterer said:
*laughs in marrying into the family*

Anyway, Colorado is gonna need money for Nichuskin, Burakovsky, and a Kadri replacement (either individually or by committee). They replace part of that production saving $6.5M. Dadonov gets to play in a no tax state like he is in Nevada, currently.

Vegas gets to clear cap, while still having an NHL body. It’s a huge downgrade for the team but they got themselves into that mess. You wanna be a mercenary then expect other teams to do it to you.

My series of moves ends up with a better version of Bjork, gives an above average starter, a 3rd pairing veteran RHD and pushes Fitz down properly, a 3C or 3W with jam and some skill, a 4C with strong defensive metrics, and gives Rochester a Russian who has already played in North America to help acclimate Kisakov that can play multiple positions.

In other words: all positions of need get filled, plus extra bonuses that you don’t realize you need (or at least are helpful).

Out: Bjork, 1st, $3M
In: Reimer (1A), Dahlen (12-14 forward), Erik J (top 6 veteran RHD), Compher (top 9 FW), Sturm (4th liner), Kashnikov (Rochester player)

Ignoring names, if you were told trading Bjork and a 1st results in 6 players, you’d seriously consider it.
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I've long been an advocate for seeing if we can get Johnson and Compher from Colorado. With all the talk of "weaponizing" our cap space -- getting those two while helping Colorado gain extra flexibility would be ideal.
 
Zman5778 said:
I've long been an advocate for seeing if we can get Johnson and Compher from Colorado. With all the talk of "weaponizing" our cap space -- getting those two while helping Colorado gain extra flexibility would be ideal.
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With them very likely losing Kadri I don't know that they'd move Compher. He's been pretty good for them this season as their 3C/4C.
 
Zman5778 said:
I've long been an advocate for seeing if we can get Johnson and Compher from Colorado. With all the talk of "weaponizing" our cap space -- getting those two while helping Colorado gain extra flexibility would be ideal.
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I’m on board with it. While I don’t like giving up a first for Reimer and Dahlen, I’m fine with it because it comes with Johnson and Compher in a separate deal that basically costs Bjork and some cap space that the Sabres won’t use this year anyway.
 
Zman5778 said:
I don't think he can slide up to 2C though. I think Colorado is very likely to use the space they have on a 2C.
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Oh i agree, they probably move Newhook to 2C if they feel he's ready or they go the trade/ufa route. I just think trading Compher probably creates an even bigger hole for them at center. Then again who knows, maybe they find a way to re-sign Kadri.
 
Pham/wgr: I still think Olofsson might get traded. I don't think the Sabres want to go to arbitration with him.
 
thewookie1 said:
Can anyone explain to me why Chad D seems to have some obsession with Olofsson leaving when no other Sabres reporter has even hinted at it?
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I believe Seravalli and several bloggers had Olofsson on their trade lists at the deadline. At the time it was purely speculative based on the fact that he's an RFA due for arbitration.

(I think) the line of thinking here is that if the Sabres really valued him they would have offered him term last time, but they instead went to arbitration.

So I think Chad is just echoing the trade deadline chatter... He also seems to have a hard on for trading Mitts, he's mentioned it several times. Once he says something, the rest of Sabres analytics twitter starts parroting his dumb ideas...
 
ValJamesDuex said:
Pham/wgr: I still think Olofsson might get traded. I don't think the Sabres want to go to arbitration with him.
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Not sure why they should worry about the arbitration amount, unless the Sabres are negotiating through the media. (if you want to be here then negotiate with us, don't file for arbitration).
 
I know Olofsson wanted to go to the WC and get his deal done. So from a player standpoint I don't think he aims for arbitration, there was an opening for a quick deal.
 
HaNotsri said:
I know Olofsson wanted to go to the WC and get his deal done. So from a player standpoint I don't think he aims for arbitration, there was an opening for a quick deal.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but where did you hear this?
 
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