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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt III | Winter meetings are over. Still waiting for stuff to happen

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It could be argued that the moves the Mets have made so far were more beneficial to the Blue Jays than detrimental. With McCann, that took away the main suitor for Realmuto and has left his market in limbo, which opens up the opportunity for the Blue Jays to add the games best catcher and then use their plethora of young catchers to fill out other spots on the roster. With Lindor and Carrasco, that should make it more difficult for the Mets to add players such as Springer, Bauer, and LeMahieu, which again should open a door for Toronto as it could take a top suitor out of their market(s).

Now, it is fully possible that the Mets continue to add, but I can't see them adding more than one more big name player after this trade, especially with the free agent class coming next season. I doubt they want to lock in their payroll for years to come just in this offseason, especially with Canos deadweight contract coming back next year. Cohen may possess a Scrooge McDuck-type of money vault, but I can't see him blowing it all in his first offseason.

Obviously I am a tad disappointed that the Blue Jays didn't trade for Lindor and Carrasco as they are extremely talented players, but I also understand that the Blue Jays have almost limitless options that they can pursue to upgrade the roster this offseason and I am confident that those moves will be done come spring training.
 
I will try and remain positive, but it would be nice to see a few big names sign here this offseason.
 
theaub said:


Joke of a franchise.
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Absolute joke is right. I posted this over in the baseball forum, but in the last 12-18 months, the team has parted ways with: Bauer, Kluber, Clevinger, Hand, Lindor, Carrasco, and others. Given that their division is not overly strong and they still have a strong pitching staff, I still would not be surprised if they hover around .500.
 
phillipmike said:
If im Springer, the Mets landing Lindor and Carrassco look much more attractive to me. Probably why the Mets want to get this deal done. Maybe Springer takes less to sign with the Mets now.
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I doubt it. The Mets even with Lindor still arent that much more attractive then the Jays. Sorry I would take Guerrero, Bichette, Biggio, Gurriel, Hernandez, Grichuk and Jansen over Lindor and what they have.

Where they have the upper hand is solely in their rotation. Bu they have only DeGrom that is a sure thing. Stroman and Carrasco have question marks and the other 2 are unproven. Synderguard is injured.

So how attractive are the Mets?
 
TopChedder said:
I will try and remain positive, but it would be nice to see a few big names sign here this offseason.
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While I certainly understand where some of the pessimism is coming throughout this thread, it must be remembered that essentially every top free agent remains unsigned and it is only the Mets and Padres making significant moves right now. It is likely that the only players that have changed teams so far this offseason that were legitimate targets for the Blue Jays were Lindor and Carrasco, but they would have required moving someone like Gurriel or one of the organizations top prospects, which they may not have been comfortable with unless there was an extension in place with Lindor. As I said earlier, nearly all of the Blue Jays options remain open, with the Mets possibly being out on some of them.
 
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BlueForever75 said:
I doubt it. The Mets even with Lindor still arent that much more attractive then the Jays. Sorry I would take Guerrero, Bichette, Biggio, Gurriel, Hernandez, Grichuk and Jansen over Lindor and what they have.

Where they have the upper hand is solely in their rotation. Bu they have only DeGrom that is a sure thing. Stroman and Carrasco have question marks and the other 2 are unproven. Synderguard is injured.

So how attractive are the Mets?
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The sad reality is the upper hand they have is the free agents are American and it is New York City. Both of those are something we will never have.

I have always believed if we built a great young team then free agents will come here, and I still believe that (Ryu signing is proof), but we may need to overpay in an extra year or extra money. If we are not willing then they likely won't come.

Especially for a guy like Springer where he is an East Coast American, all things being equal he is going to the Mets before us.

May be opposite for a guy like Hendricks, they have ties to Canada, Florida and Montreal, so playing in Toronto and/or Dunedin may be a good fit for him.
 
Amadeus said:
Being the only team not in US is really hurting us right now in terms of FA which means we'd have to trade.
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Actually, what's hurting us is the exact opposite. It's not that we're not in the US, it's that we are literally homeless. Realistically, we're not gonna be allowed back in Toronto till some time during the summer (if the vaccine rollout goes as planned). We straight up don't know where we'll be playing next year and that isn't going to be a good sell. Just as an example, being the Tampa Bay Raptors did the Raps no favors come offseason where you're asking guys to live out of a hotel for a year.
 
SDig14 said:
The sad reality is the upper hand they have is the free agents are American and it is New York City. Both of those are something we will never have.

I have always believed if we built a great young team then free agents will come here, and I still believe that (Ryu signing is proof), but we may need to overpay in an extra year or extra money. If we are not willing then they likely won't come.

Especially for a guy like Springer where he is an East Coast American, all things being equal he is going to the Mets before us.

May be opposite for a guy like Hendricks, they have ties to Canada, Florida and Montreal, so playing in Toronto and/or Dunedin may be a good fit for him.
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Well ya if any player is choosing between New York and Toronto and the deals are the same, every player would choose NY. We definitely need to overpay for guys to come here and that will never change.
 
Amadeus said:
Being the only team not in US is really hurting us right now in terms of FA which means we'd have to trade.
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While I do think the Jays are at something of a disadvantage when it comes to free agents, this seems like a bit of an odd response to a trade going down when the all the good free agents are still on the board.
 
BAM said:
They had that size of a contract offered to Cole literally last off-season as it was reported.

There's no cap, the Jays in their title window could feasibly have a payroll in the $150-$180 million range like they had a few seasons ago. A contract to Lindor won't affect that at all when the young core needs new deals.
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Discoverer said:
Yeah, it's not that unreasonable at all.

Here's a scenario, without getting into specifics of the contracts/trade cost: sign Springer for 5 years, trade for Lindor and sign him to a huge 10 year extension.

In that scenario, Ryu and Grichuk are off the books in three years (as all of Biggio, Bichette, and Vlad start to get more expensive through arbitration) and Springer is off the books the same year those three reach free agency. Even if Lindor costs $30 million, he would be the only current commitment for when the young guys get expensive, and you probably have the flexibility to make several other improvements over the next couple years without extending any contracts beyond 2025.

They can easily make this kind of thing fit without hampering their ability to retain the young guys going forward.
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Both of you are liars! :sarcasm:
Guess we'll never know.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't get inked in New York
 
CherryCoke said:
What do you expect from penny pinching shitty execs like Shatkins
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Seriously? First of all it’s not their money, it’s Rogers. Secondly they’ve rebuilt this team into one that should be a contender for many years, not just a one and done team like you often see. And all the insiders are saying the Jays have offered Sugano the best deal. Same with Springer. And I’m sure the same could be said about most of the free agents. They’re working hard and trying their best but in the end, some guys just won’t want to play here and there is nothing that can be done.
 
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Gargyn said:
Well ya if any player is choosing between New York and Toronto and the deals are the same, every player would choose NY. We definitely need to overpay for guys to come here and that will never change.
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Key in your response is if the deals are the same. I think if Toronto offers extra year or more dollars per year FA will come here. Toronto isnt a bad second choice to New York. Not to mention the extra deals they can get with less competition in the marketing side of things.

Some may argue that there is more money to be made in Toronto then New York for these FA.
 
So far we have missed out on one player we have been linked too.

And “Shatkins” are already “penny pinching shitty execs”

We appear to be heavily involved in the top reliever (Hendriks - visited facility in Florida), the top rotation arm (Bauer - confirmed himself to having a meeting with our pitching coach and other support staff outside of Atkins/Shapiro/Montoya) and the top outfielder (Springer - who we know appear to be the lone front runner for)

Then you factor in strong connections to Realmuto, Brantley and other trade pieces

But sure, because we didn’t give up Lourdes ++ for a SS when we already have Bichette and Biggio up the middle, they suck.

Lindor was always the “nice to have” piece.

Gotta love irrationalism.
 
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Cor said:
So far we have missed out on one player we have been linked too.

And “Shatkins” are already “penny pinching shitty execs”

We appear to be heavily involved in the top reliever (Hendriks - visited facility in Florida), the top rotation arm (Bauer - confirmed himself to having a meeting with our pitching coach and other support staff outside of Atkins/Shapiro/Montoya) and the top outfielder (Springer - who we know appear to be the lone front runner for)

Then you factor in strong connections to Realmuto, Brantley and other trade pieces

But sure, because we didn’t give up Lourdes ++ for a SS when we already have Bichette and Biggio up the middle, they suck.

Lindor was always the “nice to have” piece.

Gotta love irrationalism.
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Well only one poster was being irrational. The rest are just concerned fans. I agree with most you say except for us being the lone suitor for Springer. No way the Mets are out on him.
 
Kurtz said:
You know, I don't mind losing a bidding war vs the Mets...but losing a bidding war to Yomiuri Giants stings a little.
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We didn't really though - He would be getting an order of magnitude more with Toronto than with the Giants, we are bidding against living in an unknown city during a pandemic as opposed to spending another year home, with his family in a country he knows.

That, and I'm sure Kikuchi and to a lesser extent Yamaguchi scared people off of offering big money.
 
Kurtz said:
You know, I don't mind losing a bidding war vs the Mets...but losing a bidding war to Yomiuri Giants stings a little.
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If it is true that he is looking for almost $60M guaranteed then I am fine with passing on Sugano. Not sure I would be comfortable handing out that kind of money to someone who is 31 and comes with no MLB experience. Especially when someone such as Jake Odorizzi could likely be had for much less.
 
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