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Exactly.
How is it that all of these young players can play center for other organizations and have success?
Why does Galchenyuk need to play on the wing to become a center in the NHL?
he doesn't.
It's moronic nonsense they have used to justify pathetic Desharnais' spot in the line up.
David Desharnais
Brian Flynn
Manny Malhotra
Torrey Mitchell
PA Parenteau
Tomas Plekanec
Brandon Prust
Alexei Emelin
Sergei Gonchar
Mike Weaver
Tom Gilbert
All either gone, or should be gone. That could be a lot of turnover. A great chance to have a new coach bring in a new system and change the mentality of the team. It also still leaves the core of
Lars Eller
Alex Galchenyuk
Brendan Gallagher
Max Pacioretty
P.K. Subban
Jeff Petry (must re-sign)
Nathan Beaulieu
Carey Price
Plus nice supplemental pieces in
Dale Weise
Andrei Markov
Devante Smith-Pelly
Jacob De La Rose
And the prospects that could make a run at a roster spot depending on what is brought in.
Nikita Scherbak
Jared Tinordi
Mike McCarron
Charles Hudon
Sven Andrighetto
Jeremy Gregoire
Arturri Lehkonen
Martin Reway
It's not all doom and gloom. But something has to happen with the coaching staff and the dead weight on this team that brought them down in the playoffs. If Bergevin is serious about contending, they need to get more scoring and change the god damn coaching staff, at the least get rid of the assistants and bring in some competent people (like he did with Waite).
Brian Flynn
Manny Malhotra
Torrey Mitchell
PA Parenteau
Tomas Plekanec
Brandon Prust
Alexei Emelin
Sergei Gonchar
Mike Weaver
Tom Gilbert
All either gone, or should be gone. That could be a lot of turnover. A great chance to have a new coach bring in a new system and change the mentality of the team. It also still leaves the core of
Lars Eller
Alex Galchenyuk
Brendan Gallagher
Max Pacioretty
P.K. Subban
Jeff Petry (must re-sign)
Nathan Beaulieu
Carey Price
Plus nice supplemental pieces in
Dale Weise
Andrei Markov
Devante Smith-Pelly
Jacob De La Rose
And the prospects that could make a run at a roster spot depending on what is brought in.
Nikita Scherbak
Jared Tinordi
Mike McCarron
Charles Hudon
Sven Andrighetto
Jeremy Gregoire
Arturri Lehkonen
Martin Reway
It's not all doom and gloom. But something has to happen with the coaching staff and the dead weight on this team that brought them down in the playoffs. If Bergevin is serious about contending, they need to get more scoring and change the god damn coaching staff, at the least get rid of the assistants and bring in some competent people (like he did with Waite).
That Habs Fan
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Keep: Petry, Mitchell
Let walk: Flynn
Trade: Desharnais, one of Emelin/Gilbert, one of Reway/Ghetto/Hudon
Sign: Frolik
Promote: Beaulieu, Galchenyuk
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Trade Acquisition
Frolik-Eller-Gallagher
DLR-Plekanec-DSP
Prust-Mitchell-Weise
Beaulieu-Subban
Markov-Petry
Tinordi-Gilbert/Pateryn
Price
If Scherbak or McCarron make the team out of camp, all the better.
Let walk: Flynn
Trade: Desharnais, one of Emelin/Gilbert, one of Reway/Ghetto/Hudon
Sign: Frolik
Promote: Beaulieu, Galchenyuk
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Trade Acquisition
Frolik-Eller-Gallagher
DLR-Plekanec-DSP
Prust-Mitchell-Weise
Beaulieu-Subban
Markov-Petry
Tinordi-Gilbert/Pateryn
Price
If Scherbak or McCarron make the team out of camp, all the better.
To get that first liner/sniper, they gonna need to give something significant. DD won't cut it by himself, neither Emelin. It might cost the 1st round pick this season. Plekanec on a third line ? Forget it. he is the one with the most value to get us a top liner.
They certainly need a better PP. A top liner (winger or centre) + a new assistant coach who can teach PP properly would be a good start. Keeping Petry should be the other Bergevin's priority. But a first liner + Petry means lots of $$$$.
Europe players, Joonas Donskoi, very interesting player, is he still Florida property ? Viktor Tikhonov, too, would fit like a glove here, me think.
As for NHL UFAs, Curtis Glencross is interesting to me too, just because of his style, not the most gifted, but a hard worker who can complement in the top 6.
And yeah, DD must be thrown in a river, can't stand his no-show anymore.
But for all those who wants to trade or let go half the team, and replace them with UFAs and rookies, you really think that'll work ? Come on, it's a huge, huge guess, one I'm sure Bergevin don't want to take, not after 2 very good seasons in a row.
As for NHL UFAs, Curtis Glencross is interesting to me too, just because of his style, not the most gifted, but a hard worker who can complement in the top 6.
And yeah, DD must be thrown in a river, can't stand his no-show anymore.
But for all those who wants to trade or let go half the team, and replace them with UFAs and rookies, you really think that'll work ? Come on, it's a huge, huge guess, one I'm sure Bergevin don't want to take, not after 2 very good seasons in a row.
Sign Petry, move Subban to RW and poof, we have our 1st line winger!
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Subban
(I'm clearly joking)Yes, they need a top 6 winger, 2 of them. But they also need a #1C. A lot of pieces missing, but some can be solved internally with a new coach who is capable of looking at a roster and putting players in the best position to succeed offensively. No more trying to win games 0-0, it's putting us all to sleep.
Lol people bringing up the record earlier. This was the first year the Habs didn't sell out much iirc and there were constantly playoff tickets available right up to game time. Passion is low. Fans aren't stupid. A lot of them see the problems with the team, and also, are just not feeling the passion. The players played a boring brand of hockey and it showed in attendance and whatnot.
Who watns to do that?
People want them to either be a "transitioning" team that is incorporating the youth and not misusing them at the expense of terribad veterans, or be a team that recognizes the spare parts who need to go and bring in better replacements.
Even if that means dealing a highly touted prospect or a 1st round pick.
Winter Eclipse
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Anyone who thinks we're entering the season with anything other than DD at #1C and Galchenyuk on the wing is in for some disappointment.
Just like people thought we were going to reverse sweep, you gotta have faith man!
waffledave
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What exactly does that solve? Doesn't fix the PP/PK, doesn't solve the lack of scoring in the top 6. All it does is replace Eller with a Canadian Eller.
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That line would be an offensive blackhole. Zero creativity or offensive awareness on the wings. Plekanec has enough trouble generating offense when it counts as it is...
DLR should have spent the whole year in Hamilton developping his offensive game, as he was starting to show progress before call-up. He probably should be in St-John next season too, if we don't want him to become just a no-offense 4th line plug.
Admittedly, I haven't seen much of Ghetto but I think he's the one who should get a good look for a spot on the top 9. He's got 2 yrs of pro hockey under his belt, he'd bring speed and energy. Could be a nice fit with Eller. Or Plek for that matter.
HabsForHire
"Expect the unexpected"
I think it's time to move on from pleks and markov, take Tampa for example. they cut ties with vinny and msl and tho it's not a huge rebuild they moved on from the old and created a better future.
Biggest weakness to fix that is actually fixable is to find a way to replace Parenteau with a RW that can one time the puck, is good on PP and can skate.. The ideal player for the habs (even though I HATE him is Phil Kessel)
Steps to take:
Do everything that is possible to sign Petry
Dump Gilbert and replace him with Pateryn (RD lower salary style we lack)
D next year:
Markov Subban
Emelin Petry
Beaulieu Pateryn
Tinordi
On offense:
Most important thing is for Galchenyuk to stop partying and not taking his career seriously and to man up and take that number 1 C position that is available for him
Dump Desharnais and Parenteau
Do everything we can to acquire a real sniper (one timer kind unlike Patch) that can skate.. I would shoot for Kessel since he is the best potentially available fit.. even though it would break my heart, I wouldn't mind giving up some top prospects of ours and 1st round pick (s) for him..
If our forwards look like:
Pacioretty Galchenyuk Kessel
UFA or from within- potential 20 goal guy LH- Plekanec Gallagher
De La Rose Eller Weise
Proust Mitchell Smith-Pelly (he needs to get in shape.. I saw him a bunch of times around downtown and he's really fat no joke)
Steps to take:
Do everything that is possible to sign Petry
Dump Gilbert and replace him with Pateryn (RD lower salary style we lack)
D next year:
Markov Subban
Emelin Petry
Beaulieu Pateryn
Tinordi
On offense:
Most important thing is for Galchenyuk to stop partying and not taking his career seriously and to man up and take that number 1 C position that is available for him
Dump Desharnais and Parenteau
Do everything we can to acquire a real sniper (one timer kind unlike Patch) that can skate.. I would shoot for Kessel since he is the best potentially available fit.. even though it would break my heart, I wouldn't mind giving up some top prospects of ours and 1st round pick (s) for him..
If our forwards look like:
Pacioretty Galchenyuk Kessel
UFA or from within- potential 20 goal guy LH- Plekanec Gallagher
De La Rose Eller Weise
Proust Mitchell Smith-Pelly (he needs to get in shape.. I saw him a bunch of times around downtown and he's really fat no joke)
Everybody is wrong here because MT plan is:
1) More DD in PP and offensive situation
2) Make DSP a PP player and first 2 lines players
3) Avoid Gach on center and put him on third line with DLR
4) Dont brind Andrighetto or Hudon in the lineup and use more grinders players
5) Ask MB to trade Eller and if it's not possible put him in line with lower average players
6) Make more players and teams bashing during press conference
7) Be more agressif and stubborn when somebody bring a good suggestion
8) Use Markov until Markov score 3 times on his own goal
9) Keep the same staf coach with same solution for lines, PP and PK and hope it will work
10) Continue to said it's players execution If you dont have success
1) More DD in PP and offensive situation
2) Make DSP a PP player and first 2 lines players
3) Avoid Gach on center and put him on third line with DLR
4) Dont brind Andrighetto or Hudon in the lineup and use more grinders players
5) Ask MB to trade Eller and if it's not possible put him in line with lower average players
6) Make more players and teams bashing during press conference
7) Be more agressif and stubborn when somebody bring a good suggestion
8) Use Markov until Markov score 3 times on his own goal
9) Keep the same staf coach with same solution for lines, PP and PK and hope it will work
10) Continue to said it's players execution If you dont have success
For the second line LW I wouldn't mind adding him at trade deadline to allow us to fit a better one in under cap..
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