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tokyoite said:
Los Angeles is the best place for Japanese players who wants to play in the majors.
Remember Hideo Nomo ? Hiroki Kuroda ? Yu Darvish ?
LA has a huge Japanese community. His translator is also from the area.
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Kodai Senga? Seiya Suziki? Hideki Matsui?
 
We just had a season where watching the team play was downright painful. On top of that, we had the Moreno trade that will likely haunt us for years. Our ace of the future busted spectacularly. Our franchise 1B played the entire year and poster an fWar of 1 - a big regression after the already big regression the year prior. We had a miserable 2-game playoff after which our Manager and GM seemed to point blame at each-other, with neither getting fired.

Our hopes get massively raised about Soto and Ohtani...only for Soto to end up with our rivals.

To complain that some fans are very negative about all of this at the moment is ridiculous.


There are still plenty of options out there and if Shapkins manage to pivot and deliver something huge, the sentiment will quickly turn around. But at this exact moment, things suck, and pointing that out is pretty rational.
 
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Kurtz said:
We just had a season where watching the team play was downright painful. On top of that, we had the Moreno trade that will likely haunt us for years. Our ace of the future busted spectacularly. Our franchise 1B played the entire year and poster an fWar of 1 - a big regression after the already big regression the year prior. We had a miserable 2-game playoff after which our Manager and GM seemed to point blame at each-other, with neither getting fired.

Our hopes get massively raised about Soto and Ohtani...only for Soto to end up with our rivals.

To complain that some fans are very negative about all of this at the moment is ridiculous.


There are still plenty of options out there and if Shapkins manage to pivot and deliver something huge, the sentiment will quickly turn around. But at this exact moment, things suck, and pointing that out is pretty rational.
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The one that really hurts the most is the Moreno trade.
 
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In all of this shi davidi can suck a fat one

This idiot blaming fans not realizing the dude has a job because people care about their sports team

Dude is dumb as f***.
 
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Here's a picture of me *kidding* with my Ohtani voodoo doll.
 

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The Nemesis said:
That's a pretty dumb way to look at it. Because if he hadn't pursued Ohtani and just went with the market alternatives people would likely take the team to task for pretending they're a small fish and not going after the big catches like they could because "ROGERS IS THE RICHEST OWNER IN THE SPORT!!!!!11111!1!" and all that.

They took a big swing and it didn't work out. But it also didn't work out for all but 1 of the other teams that were in the race and the market, as it stands, might be crap but it's really not any more crappy than it was a few days ago, Ohtani aside.

Of course I'm not sure what I should expect from drive-time radio. It's pretty universal that they're paid to put out the most reactionary, logic-free bad faith takes they can because that's what their core audience responds to.
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I think it depends on what the next moves are. So if they spend massive Rogers resources fill out the team and they go on a run, all good.

If they nibble around the edges and rest on the notion they were in a big pursuit, that won’t really mean very much.
 
Stephen said:
I think it depends on what the next moves are. So if they spend massive Rogers resources fill out the team and they go on a run, all good.

If they nibble around the edges and rest on the notion they were in a big pursuit, that won’t really mean very much.
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The problem isnt availability of money, its availability of talent. FA is fairly barren with what we need.
 
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Larcos_Unal said:
There is no baseball player alive that can live up to that contract
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I agree but to be fair, he's the only name in baseball that makes it somewhat realistic.

His value to the Dodgers is going to be $50 million (per year) through licensing according to experts. If he performs like a $20 million per year player, the deal is automatically worth it. If he pitches again and does it well during this contract (or they win), the value of his contribution to the Dodgers increases even more.

The fact his salary is deferred only makes it more feasible due to inflation.
 
OVO16 said:
So what is the off-season plans now?

Go after Bellinger?
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Hopefully.

Bellinger for LF, Hoskins for DH/1B and trade for a 3B or Justin Turner on a short deal is my plans now.
 
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So what exactly do the Blue Jays do now, is there any realistic targets that will still get the fanbase excited?
 
Canucks LB said:
So what exactly do the Blue Jays do now, is there any realistic targets that will still get the fanbase excited?
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I mean after what we just went through with Ohtani anybody is going to feel like a disappointment. There are players out there that would make this a better team.
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to parse Bellinger's expected dWAR minus the CF adjustment? We already have Varsho whose value is most realized deployed in centerfield and not necessarily in LF. If playing left field turns Bellinger from a 4WAR player to a 3WAR player, that's a pretty big difference for his expected salary.
 




Rosenthal said he had a credible source telling him that the Jays got Ohtani. He checked the source and they didn’t confirm.



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Herjavec could have been in on it too. He is a CAA (Ohtani’s agency) client.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
Imagine Roger’s actually offered 1billion for 12yrs. Ohtani signs. Would that be a good signing?
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As crazy as it may sound, yes, absolutely it'd have been a good signing.

To put it in context, Rogers spent $5.2 billion for NHL rights that they've taken an absolute bath on. Ohtani would have cost 20% of that amount and would have made the Rogers enterprise hundreds of millions of dollars over that same amount of time (12 years).

In the aftermath (and heartbreak), Ohtani was essentially a unicorn. This was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Not just getting the player. All that Ohtani would bring is something we have never seen or experienced before, and likely never will.

As disappointing as it is, I can't fault Rogers and Shatkins much, if at all, for this. Many said all season he'd end up with the Dodgers. He did. The team (based on all the reports) offered at least half a billion dollars. That's a lot of coin to commit to an offer. The excitement for that short window of time when it was made he'd be a Jay was some of the most heightened excitement we've ever seen -- even non-Jays fans were buying in.

What sucks now is that the rest of the off-season will consist of, "Well, it's not Ohtani.". It's going to be a letdown whatever happens at this point. But a job has to be done, and hopefully management has been stoking other fires while the Ohtani hoopla was going on. This is still a good team, but has a lot of holes to fill.
 
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