Blue Jays Discussion: Off-season discussion: Two signings. Rinse, Repeat add 1.

[Apex Predator]

All I know is going forward whenever I hear “payroll parameters” I’m tuning that out considering this ownership was offering 600 million for one player. Clearly this ownership can have a top 3 payroll every year. We’ll see what they do now

He’s special. This wouldn’t just be a player acquisition, it would be a business acquisition. I don’t think any player in the MLB can have the impact on revenue like Ohtani.

 

[The Nemesis]

Jesus, just reading back through the last few pages reminds me of why I haven't been here since the end of the season.

 

[Maplebeasts]

f*** it. All in for Yamamoto and Bellinger.

 

[Blitzkrug]

A batshit offseason may potentially get even more batshit; there is belief among people that Roki Sasaki might actually be on his way to America;

The Dodgers want a Japanese star. Could they get one not named Shohei Ohtani?

If the Dodgers are aggressive in going after Roki Sasaki, a 22-year-old pitching sensation, it could affect their pursuit of Shohei Ohtani.

www.latimes.com

Biggest takeaway from this article

MLB posting system rules stipulate that foreign-born players must wait until they are 25 years old and have played in a foreign professional league six seasons to reach unrestricted free agency. In Sasaki’s case, he would have to wait until after the 2026 season to avoid being designated an international amateur and being limited to a standard minor league contract.


If not for the limitations, Sasaki probably would attract a contract worth more than $200 million. Ohtani also would have received that kind of payday had he chosen to wait for unrestricted free agency. But the two-way superstar opted to leave NPB at 23 years old after the 2017 season. Ohtani had the option to leave for the majors whenever he wanted included in his contract with Nippon Ham. Sasaki is thought to also have that clause in his deal with Chiba Lotte.

Sasaki already asked to be posted. IIRC Chiba Lotte has 5 days to answer said request and now it looks like he asked because it's a "well i'm gone either way so you better get what you can"

We need hard conformation on this because he would instantly become the hottest commodity (not to mention a stupid bargain)

 

[Kiwi]

$700m is indeed insane, but depending on the terms of the deferral (and apparently it's massively deferred) that $700m may carry a present-value of $500m or so. Maybe even less.

A dollar today is worth a lot more than a dollar 15 years from now. Just look at what a dollar buys today vs what it did a decade ago.

That's still a ton of money for a guy nearing 30 who's a DH in the middle of Tommy John surgery

He's a unicorn of a player but there's a ton of risk here if just one of the disciplines falls off

 

[The Nemesis]

I'm not on board with Yamamoto. The history of Japanese Pitchers moving to MLB is not great in terms of value for performance. Even Darvish, who has probably been the most successful of the bunch, has mostly been very good but not quite great, which is what he was paid for. I feel like someone's going to pay Yamamoto near-ace money and then get back a solid 2/3 guy instead. Because almost every Japanese pitcher that's been posted has underperformed what the hype machine sets out for them. The Jays have a good rotation. They're better off spending appropriately on a #3-#5 guy than getting one for the cost of a guy several notches above that.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

A batshit offseason may potentially get even more batshit; there is belief among people that Roki Sasaki might actually be on his way to America;

The Dodgers want a Japanese star. Could they get one not named Shohei Ohtani?

If the Dodgers are aggressive in going after Roki Sasaki, a 22-year-old pitching sensation, it could affect their pursuit of Shohei Ohtani.

www.latimes.com

Biggest takeaway from this article


Sasaki already asked to be posted. IIRC Chiba Lotte has 5 days to answer said request and now it looks like he asked because it's a "well i'm gone either way so you better get what you can"

We need hard conformation on this because he would instantly become the hottest commodity (not to mention a stupid bargain)

Already been mentioned.

 

[Blitzkrug]

I'm not on board with Yamamoto. The history of Japanese Pitchers moving to MLB is not great in terms of value for performance. Even Darvish, who has probably been the most successful of the bunch, has mostly been very good but not quite great, which is what he was paid for. I feel like someone's going to pay Yamamoto near-ace money and then get back a solid 2/3 guy instead. Because almost every Japanese pitcher that's been posted has underperformed what the hype machine sets out for them. The Jays have a good rotation. They're better off spending appropriately on a #3-#5 guy than getting one for the cost of a guy several notches above that.

Probably don't even need a #3-5 guy assuming Manoah decides to give enough of a shit this season.

Or if you need just bring Ryu back on a short term deal.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

A batshit offseason may potentially get even more batshit; there is belief among people that Roki Sasaki might actually be on his way to America;

The Dodgers want a Japanese star. Could they get one not named Shohei Ohtani?

If the Dodgers are aggressive in going after Roki Sasaki, a 22-year-old pitching sensation, it could affect their pursuit of Shohei Ohtani.

www.latimes.com

Biggest takeaway from this article


Sasaki already asked to be posted. IIRC Chiba Lotte has 5 days to answer said request and now it looks like he asked because it's a "well i'm gone either way so you better get what you can"

We need hard conformation on this because he would instantly become the hottest commodity (not to mention a stupid bargain)

He's 99.9% going to the Dodgers. They still need a starting pitcher.

 

[Blitzkrug]

He's 99.9% going to the Dodgers. They still need a starting pitcher.

All that to lose in the LDS to a team who had to fight to get in. Idk the Cubs?

You hate to see it.

(I'm not coping, you're coping)

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

All that to lose in the LDS to a team who had to fight to get in. Idk the Cubs?

You hate to see it.

I'm sorry but I hope the Dodgers don't win a championship again for at least 10 more years. I hate them as much if not more than I hate the Yankees.

 

[The Nemesis]

Probably don't even need a #3-5 guy assuming Manoah decides to give enough of a shit this season.

Or if you need just bring Ryu back on a short term deal.

I think you need decent Manoah insurance just in case he can't bounce back from his implosion. Ryu on the cheap wouldn't be the worst option in the world but you might want one more guy just so that they can duke it out for the #5 role in the spring.

 

[Blitzkrug]

I'm sorry but I hope the Dodgers don't win a championship again for at least 10 more years. I hate them as much if not more than I hate the Yankees.

The most amusing (or horrifying) thing is that after this transaction, the Dodgers only have the league's third highest payroll.

And perhaps even more horrifyingly, Jeff Passan did a breakdown of how the insane amount of deferrals will likely ensure the Dodgers will have a shitload of money to spend for the foreseeable future; (Also doesn't help they just cleared a load of money with Trevor Bauer's deal being off the books)



I won't fetishize muh big markets/big spending, but it almost feels like we're due a for a world series style clash of the titans given the amount of money teams like the Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Padres, Rangers and others have thrown around. Sure as hell feels like it's trending back to the "lol i'll just buy a title" days. IMO this is more concerning for us because i can only assume the ghost of George Steinbrenner rose to rip his sons a new one given the Yankees mysteriously realizing they can spend money again.

Edit: Never realized the Rockies were in the top 15 either. you're paying 130 million for that heap of garbage before arbitration deals?

 

[Amadeus]

I'm not on board with Yamamoto. The history of Japanese Pitchers moving to MLB is not great in terms of value for performance. Even Darvish, who has probably been the most successful of the bunch, has mostly been very good but not quite great, which is what he was paid for. I feel like someone's going to pay Yamamoto near-ace money and then get back a solid 2/3 guy instead. Because almost every Japanese pitcher that's been posted has underperformed what the hype machine sets out for them. The Jays have a good rotation. They're better off spending appropriately on a #3-#5 guy than getting one for the cost of a guy several notches above that.

I am. I've seen him enough to think he'll be a stud through and through.

 

[kb]

I don’t think that’s really deserved. Seems like they didn’t even have a shot with Ohtani and were being used by his agent to drive the Dodgers’ price up.

I’m sure they were well aware that they were in an unfavourable matchup, but fan and media perception made it seem like it was a lot closer than it really was. Now that they didn’t get him, we’re all left with this sour taste that no new plan could compete with that acquisition.

And while that may be true, it doesn’t really put us in a worse position moving forward. What would is if our direct competitors keep on improving. For instance, if Yamamoto does go to the Yankees, that will sting even more.

Reason only works for certain posters, most of which have left this sesspool here where the inmates run the asylum with nothing but negativity

 

[Blitzkrug]

I think what gives Japanese pitchers a better shot in today's game is the fact velocity has become more important in their game.

Japan always used to focus harder on break/movement which is why you get guys like Daisuke Matsuzaka with fastballs that could barely break 90 MPH in most cases. Now the guys they're sending over like Senga and eventually Yamamoto are throwing more in line with the average MLB fastball (2023 number was just over 94 iirc with both guys mentioned sitting in the 93-95 range with occasional touches in the high 90s.) Or in the cases of freaks like Roki Sasaki, they can touch video game numbers in the low 100s.

I think Yamamoto will live up to the hype. Solid repertoire with a vomit inducing curveball that harkins back to the days of prime Clayton Kershaw and a modern sweeper pitch since that's all the rage these days.

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[GreytWun]

I know everyone likes the universal DH but I think JD Martinez would help us out quite a bit in terms of offense. Might be a good pickup for a year.

 

[Gabriel426]

Ahhhhh yes. The infamous "We came in 2nd and were at least the runner ups. But hey. We gave it the old college try" line.

I am not saying that Shapiro and Atkins should be blamed for Ohtani picking the Dodgers. But I am not going to give them any credit for "trying and giving it a shot"

It's like what Donaldson said when he was here. "This isn't the try-hard league. This is the get it done League"

And "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Well, what can they possibly do?
Like I said earlier. What if Jays final offer was 600mil/yrs and Dodgers upped it to 700mil/10yrs and Jays said good luck. Can you blame them?
The number were 500mil-550mil max and that’s basing it at 12yrs and not 10yrs.
Some other team just offered a bigger contract and outbid you. What can you do?
Now I am not saying MGT been amazing and we should give them credits for being right there…. To me, they gave the best shot and just so happened another team best shot is a lot better than theirs.

 

[kb]

Ahhhhh yes. The infamous "We came in 2nd and were at least the runner ups. But hey. We gave it the old college try" line.

I am not saying that Shapiro and Atkins should be blamed for Ohtani picking the Dodgers. But I am not going to give them any credit for "trying and giving it a shot"

It's like what Donaldson said when he was here. "This isn't the try-hard league. This is the get it done League"

And "almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

How the entitlement issue going?

Jesus, just reading back through the last few pages reminds me of why I haven't been here since the end of the season.

This place is insufferable because the shit posters run this place now. I feel your pain and agree.

 

[Gabriel426]

Imagine Roger’s actually offered 1billion for 12yrs. Ohtani signs. Would that be a good signing?

 

[mikeyz]

How the entitlement issue going?

How is your lack of reading comprehension going?

Can you point out what said in that post that was "entitled"?

This place is insufferable because the shit posters run this place now. I feel your pain and agree.

This place is probably insufferable for you because your reading comprehension is mid at best.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Imagine Roger’s actually offered 1billion for 12yrs. Ohtani signs. Would that be a good signing?

I do think because of his marketability, the threshold of what is a "good deal" is for Ohtani is much, much different than your average big ticket signing like an Aaron Judge for example.

That number they gave him is ludicrous but there's a pretty good chance the Dodgers still profit off of it which i would say makes it a great deal since it's bringing them a better chance to win on and off the field.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ULF_55]

I agree if they have this money available it means almost no one is out of reach.

 

[garce]

How the entitlement issue going?


This place is insufferable because the shit posters run this place now. I feel your pain and agree.

It’s awful here, sports radio stinks, the only thing I can enjoy anymore is a few podcasts. People have to talk shit and attempt to dunk on each .Blecch