Obscure hockey facts/stats (Part 2)

Yozhik v tumane

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I went on and expanded the list to all players with 100+ playoff GP and no Cup:

  1. Joe Pavelski 201 (21)
  2. Patrick Marleau 195 (25)
  3. Joe Thornton 187 (30)
  4. Dale Hunter 186 (31)
  5. Steve Thomas 174 (49)
  6. Adam Oates 163 (69)
  7. Brad Park 161 (75)
  8. Brian Propp 160 (77)
  9. Jeremy Roenick 154 (91)
  10. Mike Fisher 146 (107)
  11. Dan Girardi 143 (115)
  12. Marc-Edouard Vlasic 142 (119)
  13. Dino Ciccarelli 141 (122)
  14. Shayne Corson* 140 (128)
  15. Scott Mellanby 136 (149)
  16. Ryan Suter 133 (162)
  17. Peter Sezel 131 (178)
  18. Dave Poulin 129 (185)
  19. Russ Courtnall 129 (185)
  20. Marc Staal 128 (191)
  21. Keith Primeau 128 (191)
  22. Matt Carle 127 (196)
  23. Cliff Ronning 126 (202)
  24. Mel Bridgman 125 (205)
  25. Brian Boyle 124 (208)
  26. Daniel Briére 124 (208)
  27. Daniel Alfredsson 124 (208)
  28. Trevor Linden 124 (208)
  29. Chris Kreider 123 (216)
  30. Bryan Smolinski 123 (216)
  31. Jean Ratelle 123 (216)
  32. Zach Parise 122 (225)
  33. Paul Martin 122 (225)
  34. Mike Gartner 122 (225)
  35. Ryan Callahan 121 (231)
  36. Derek Stepan 120 (235)
  37. Brent Burns 120 (235)
  38. Craig Janney 120 (235)
  39. Charlie Coyle 119 (240)
  40. Justin Braun 119 (240)
  41. Sergio Momesso 119 (240)
  42. Kelly Miller 119 (240)
  43. Bernie Nicholls 118 (246)
  44. Kevin Hatcher 118 (246)
  45. Murray Craven 118 (246)
  46. Derick Brassard 118 (246)
  47. Paul Stastny 118 (246)
  48. Brenden Morrow 118 (246)
  49. James Patrick 117 (255)
  50. Logan Couture 117 (255)
  51. Stu Barnes 116 (258)
  52. Dave Ellett 116 (258)
  53. Mike Ramsey 115 (267)
  54. Chris Phillips 114 (270)
  55. Rick Middleton 114 (270)
  56. Gerald Diduck 114 (270)
  57. Dave Babych 114 (270)
  58. Anton Strålman 113 (282)
  59. Ryan Reaves 113 (282)
  60. Roman Hamrlik 113 (282)
  61. Joe Juneau 112 (290)
  62. Bob Murray 112 (290)
  63. Dave Manson 112 (290)
  64. Chico Maki* 112 (290)
  65. Dave Lowry 111 (296)
  66. James Neal 110 (301)
  67. Marcus Johansson 109 (306)
  68. Pierre Turgeon 109 (306)
  69. Don Sweeney 108 (314)
  70. Terry O’Reilly 108 (314)
  71. Peter McNab 107 (325)
  72. Bruce MacGregor* 107 (325)
  73. Randy Burridge 107 (325)
  74. Dainius Zubrus 106 (332)
  75. Wade Redden 106 (332)
  76. Martin Straka 106 (332)
  77. Norm Ullman 106 (332)
  78. Jyrki Lumme 105 (346)
  79. Calle Johansson 105 (346)
  80. Mattias Ekholm 105 (346)
  81. Henrik Sedin 105 (346)
  82. Chris Therien 104 (358)
  83. Ron Sutter 104 (358)
  84. Mike Ridley 104 (358)
  85. Dennis Hull 104 (358)
  86. Bob Sweeney 103 (369)
  87. Todd Gill* 103 (369)
  88. Curt Giles 103 (369)
  89. Keith Brown 103 (369)
  90. Jamie Benn 102 (378)
  91. Daniel Sedin 102 (378)
  92. Sami Salo 102 (378)
  93. Al Secord 102 (378)
  94. Sylvain Cote 102 (378)
  95. Dave Christian 102 (378)
  96. Ryan Kesler 101 (392)
  97. Dominic Moore 101 (392)
  98. Rhett Warrener 101 (392)
  99. Mike Grier 101 (392)
  100. Mark Howe 101 (392)
  101. Scott Hannan 100 (401)
  102. Mario Marois 100 (401)
  103. Pit Martin 100 (401)
  • Shayne Corson’s a funny one. He played 3 games in his debut with the Habs in 1986, but none in that cup run, and moves to Edmonton during the 1993 season. Ouch.
  • Maki is credited at nhl.com for winning the Cup in 1961 despite not playing a single game, having his regular season debut in 1961-62, and making his playoff debut in 1963. I don’t think so.
  • Bruce MacGregor I now learned shares the dubious record with Propp, having five cup finals appearances without a win.
  • Todd Gill played for the Red Wings between 1999-2001, and for the Avs in 2001-02. A precious kind of unlucky.


When I started expanding the list, I hoped to get to Mats Sundin, but it didn’t happen within the top 100 playoff losers. He appeared in 91 playoff games, which places him among the 496 through 509 players with the most playoff GP. Another island of a star, Dale Hawerchuk, played 97 games (424th most, with 18 others), which is pretty crazy considering his teams only made it past the second round once, in his last season with the Flyers where they were swept in the finals. He had 11 first round exits, four of them in 3-game sweeps.

Anyhow. 409 skaters have gotten to 100 playoff appearances. Only 25.2% of them never won a cup. If you’re one of about 400 who played 100 games in the playoffs, there’s basically a 3/4 chance you won at least once. If you add just 10 games to become one of the top 300, the odds increase from 74 to 78%. If you’ve made it to the top 20 in playoff GP, you had a 9/10 chance of winning. If Pavelski decides he’s played his last NHL game, there are 20 players ahead of him who all won cups, with Bourque and Perry being the only guys to just manage once.

Top 10 playoff GP for goalies without a cup:
  1. Curtis Joseph 133 (7)
  2. Henrik Lundqvist 130 (10)
  3. Tuukka Rask 104* (19)
  4. Tony Esposito 99* (21)
  5. Ron Hextall 93 (24)
  6. Carey Price 92 (25)
  7. Pekka Rinne 89 (27)
  8. Sergei Bobrovsky 87 (29)
  9. Evgeni Nabokov 86 (30)
  10. Kelly Hrudey* 85 (31)

  • Tuukka did win as a backup of course, but didn’t play during the run. Esposito was behind Vachon and Worsley for the Habs in 1969, without a playoff GP. Hrudey debuted for the Islanders in 1983-84, but was behind Smith and Melanson for the run.
 

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Brett Hull is the only player in history to have a 70-goal season and be a "minus". Amazingly, Hull "achieved" this ignoble feat not once, but twice... (in fairness to Hull, though, he was only -1 and -2, so hardly significant).

In addition to Hull x 2, Dennis Maruk, Lanny McDonald, and Steve Yzerman (1 each) are the only players to have 60-goal seasons and be a "minus".

Alex Ovechkin's -35 in 2014 (51 goals scored) is the worst plus/minus by a 50-goal man, ever, although we note Brett Hull in 1993 went -27 with 53 goals scored.
 

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Players acquired by the New York Rangers who previously in their career had scored 50 goals in a season with another franchise:

Bernie Geoffrion
Phil Esposito
Ken Hodge
Pierre Larouche
Blaine Stoughton
Bobby Carpenter
Marcel Dionne
John Ogrodnick
Guy Lafleur
Bernie Nicholls
Mike Gartner
Tim Kerr
Mark Messier
Glenn Anderson
Luc Robitaille
Jari Kurri
Wayne Gretzky
Pat LaFontaine
Kevin Stevens
Theo Fleury
Pavel Bure
Jaromir Jagr
Brendan Shanahan


Players who scored 50 goals in a season with the Rangers:

Vic Hadfield
Adam Graves
Jaromir Jagr
Chris Kreider
 

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Players acquired by the New York Rangers who previously in their career had scored 50 goals in a season with another franchise:

Bernie Geoffrion
Phil Esposito
Ken Hodge
Pierre Larouche
Blaine Stoughton
Bobby Carpenter
Marcel Dionne
John Ogrodnick
Guy Lafleur
Bernie Nicholls
Mike Gartner
Tim Kerr
Mark Messier
Glenn Anderson
Luc Robitaille
Jari Kurri
Wayne Gretzky
Pat LaFontaine
Kevin Stevens
Theo Fleury
Pavel Bure
Jaromir Jagr
Brendan Shanahan


Players who scored 50 goals in a season with the Rangers:

Vic Hadfield
Adam Graves
Jaromir Jagr
Chris Kreider
This is either hilarious or a bit sad.... (Great post, though!)
 

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Players acquired by the New York Rangers who previously in their career had scored 50 goals in a season with another franchise:

Bernie Geoffrion
Phil Esposito
Ken Hodge
Pierre Larouche
Blaine Stoughton
Bobby Carpenter
Marcel Dionne
John Ogrodnick
Guy Lafleur
Bernie Nicholls
Mike Gartner
Tim Kerr
Mark Messier
Glenn Anderson
Luc Robitaille
Jari Kurri
Wayne Gretzky
Pat LaFontaine
Kevin Stevens
Theo Fleury
Pavel Bure
Jaromir Jagr
Brendan Shanahan


Players who scored 50 goals in a season with the Rangers:

Vic Hadfield
Adam Graves
Jaromir Jagr
Chris Kreider

No team loves past their prime, aging stars like the Rangers
 

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I went on and expanded the list to all players with 100+ playoff GP and no Cup:

  1. Joe Pavelski 201 (21)
  2. Patrick Marleau 195 (25)
  3. Joe Thornton 187 (30)
  4. Dale Hunter 186 (31)
  5. Steve Thomas 174 (49)
  6. Adam Oates 163 (69)
  7. Brad Park 161 (75)
  8. Brian Propp 160 (77)
  9. Jeremy Roenick 154 (91)
  10. Mike Fisher 146 (107)
  11. Dan Girardi 143 (115)
  12. Marc-Edouard Vlasic 142 (119)
  13. Dino Ciccarelli 141 (122)
  14. Shayne Corson* 140 (128)
  15. Scott Mellanby 136 (149)
  16. Ryan Suter 133 (162)
  17. Peter Sezel 131 (178)
  18. Dave Poulin 129 (185)
  19. Russ Courtnall 129 (185)
  20. Marc Staal 128 (191)
  21. Keith Primeau 128 (191)
  22. Matt Carle 127 (196)
  23. Cliff Ronning 126 (202)
  24. Mel Bridgman 125 (205)
  25. Brian Boyle 124 (208)
  26. Daniel Briére 124 (208)
  27. Daniel Alfredsson 124 (208)
  28. Trevor Linden 124 (208)
  29. Chris Kreider 123 (216)
  30. Bryan Smolinski 123 (216)
  31. Jean Ratelle 123 (216)
  32. Zach Parise 122 (225)
  33. Paul Martin 122 (225)
  34. Mike Gartner 122 (225)
  35. Ryan Callahan 121 (231)
  36. Derek Stepan 120 (235)
  37. Brent Burns 120 (235)
  38. Craig Janney 120 (235)
  39. Charlie Coyle 119 (240)
  40. Justin Braun 119 (240)
  41. Sergio Momesso 119 (240)
  42. Kelly Miller 119 (240)
  43. Bernie Nicholls 118 (246)
  44. Kevin Hatcher 118 (246)
  45. Murray Craven 118 (246)
  46. Derick Brassard 118 (246)
  47. Paul Stastny 118 (246)
  48. Brenden Morrow 118 (246)
  49. James Patrick 117 (255)
  50. Logan Couture 117 (255)
  51. Stu Barnes 116 (258)
  52. Dave Ellett 116 (258)
  53. Mike Ramsey 115 (267)
  54. Chris Phillips 114 (270)
  55. Rick Middleton 114 (270)
  56. Gerald Diduck 114 (270)
  57. Dave Babych 114 (270)
  58. Anton Strålman 113 (282)
  59. Ryan Reaves 113 (282)
  60. Roman Hamrlik 113 (282)
  61. Joe Juneau 112 (290)
  62. Bob Murray 112 (290)
  63. Dave Manson 112 (290)
  64. Chico Maki* 112 (290)
  65. Dave Lowry 111 (296)
  66. James Neal 110 (301)
  67. Marcus Johansson 109 (306)
  68. Pierre Turgeon 109 (306)
  69. Don Sweeney 108 (314)
  70. Terry O’Reilly 108 (314)
  71. Peter McNab 107 (325)
  72. Bruce MacGregor* 107 (325)
  73. Randy Burridge 107 (325)
  74. Dainius Zubrus 106 (332)
  75. Wade Redden 106 (332)
  76. Martin Straka 106 (332)
  77. Norm Ullman 106 (332)
  78. Jyrki Lumme 105 (346)
  79. Calle Johansson 105 (346)
  80. Mattias Ekholm 105 (346)
  81. Henrik Sedin 105 (346)
  82. Chris Therien 104 (358)
  83. Ron Sutter 104 (358)
  84. Mike Ridley 104 (358)
  85. Dennis Hull 104 (358)
  86. Bob Sweeney 103 (369)
  87. Todd Gill* 103 (369)
  88. Curt Giles 103 (369)
  89. Keith Brown 103 (369)
  90. Jamie Benn 102 (378)
  91. Daniel Sedin 102 (378)
  92. Sami Salo 102 (378)
  93. Al Secord 102 (378)
  94. Sylvain Cote 102 (378)
  95. Dave Christian 102 (378)
  96. Ryan Kesler 101 (392)
  97. Dominic Moore 101 (392)
  98. Rhett Warrener 101 (392)
  99. Mike Grier 101 (392)
  100. Mark Howe 101 (392)
  101. Scott Hannan 100 (401)
  102. Mario Marois 100 (401)
  103. Pit Martin 100 (401)
  • Shayne Corson’s a funny one. He played 3 games in his debut with the Habs in 1986, but none in that cup run, and moves to Edmonton during the 1993 season. Ouch.
  • Maki is credited at nhl.com for winning the Cup in 1961 despite not playing a single game, having his regular season debut in 1961-62, and making his playoff debut in 1963. I don’t think so.
  • Bruce MacGregor I now learned shares the dubious record with Propp, having five cup finals appearances without a win.
  • Todd Gill played for the Red Wings between 1999-2001, and for the Avs in 2001-02. A precious kind of unlucky.


When I started expanding the list, I hoped to get to Mats Sundin, but it didn’t happen within the top 100 playoff losers. He appeared in 91 playoff games, which places him among the 496 through 509 players with the most playoff GP. Another island of a star, Dale Hawerchuk, played 97 games (424th most, with 18 others), which is pretty crazy considering his teams only made it past the second round once, in his last season with the Flyers where they were swept in the finals. He had 11 first round exits, four of them in 3-game sweeps.

Anyhow. 409 skaters have gotten to 100 playoff appearances. Only 25.2% of them never won a cup. If you’re one of about 400 who played 100 games in the playoffs, there’s basically a 3/4 chance you won at least once. If you add just 10 games to become one of the top 300, the odds increase from 74 to 78%. If you’ve made it to the top 20 in playoff GP, you had a 9/10 chance of winning. If Pavelski decides he’s played his last NHL game, there are 20 players ahead of him who all won cups, with Bourque and Perry being the only guys to just manage once.

Top 10 playoff GP for goalies without a cup:
  1. Curtis Joseph 133 (7)
  2. Henrik Lundqvist 130 (10)
  3. Tuukka Rask 104* (19)
  4. Tony Esposito 99* (21)
  5. Ron Hextall 93 (24)
  6. Carey Price 92 (25)
  7. Pekka Rinne 89 (27)
  8. Sergei Bobrovsky 87 (29)
  9. Evgeni Nabokov 86 (30)
  10. Kelly Hrudey* 85 (31)

  • Tuukka did win as a backup of course, but didn’t play during the run. Esposito was behind Vachon and Worsley for the Habs in 1969, without a playoff GP. Hrudey debuted for the Islanders in 1983-84, but was behind Smith and Melanson for the run.

I wonder who's lost in the most cup finals. Perry has won the cup, but if he loses this year that'll be 4 SCF loses. (oddly enough, that'd be 4 loses with 4 different teams, and 4 loses in 5 years).

I imagine 4 loses has to be the 2nd most or at worst 3rd most?
 

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I wonder who's lost in the most cup finals. Perry has won the cup, but if he loses this year that'll be 4 SCF loses. (oddly enough, that'd be 4 loses with 4 different teams, and 4 loses in 5 years).

I imagine 4 loses has to be the 2nd most or at worst 3rd most?

Gordie Howe lost in the finals 7 times. 1948, 1949, 1956, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1966.

Maybe 4 is the most since the 1967 expansion?
 

Yozhik v tumane

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Gordie Howe lost in the finals 7 times. 1948, 1949, 1956, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1966.

Maybe 4 is the most since the 1967 expansion?

No, five as I mentioned: Brian Propp went to the finals five times without ever winning.

Three times with the Flyers, once with the Bruins and North Stars respectively.
 
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No, five as I mentioned: Brian Propp went to the finals five times without ever winning.

Three times with the Flyers, once with the Bruins and North Stars respectively.

So if Perry loses this year, he'll have lost with 4 teams which I'd presume is a new record.

Los Angeles Kings in 1993 is the only team to play against the Canadian team in all four playoff rounds in one year.

Division Semi-Final: Calgary Flames
Division Final: Vancouver Canucks
Conference Final: Toronto Maple Leafs
Stanley Cup Final: Montreal Canadiens

Will probably never happen again, unless the NHL changes its asinine playoff format.
 

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So if Perry loses this year, he'll have lost with 4 teams which I'd presume is a new record.



Will probably never happen again, unless the NHL changes its asinine playoff format.

Without wild cards, only Pacific division team can do it, and it needs Jets to be the best in Central.
 

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Where can I find information about the playoff bonuses* - particulary before expansion?
(* the bonuses paid out by the league to the playoff teams, which would be divided among the players)
 

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I went on and expanded the list to all players with 100+ playoff GP and no Cup:

  1. Joe Pavelski 201 (21)
  2. Patrick Marleau 195 (25)
  3. Joe Thornton 187 (30)
  4. Dale Hunter 186 (31)
  5. Steve Thomas 174 (49)
  6. Adam Oates 163 (69)
  7. Brad Park 161 (75)
  8. Brian Propp 160 (77)
  9. Jeremy Roenick 154 (91)
  10. Mike Fisher 146 (107)
  11. Dan Girardi 143 (115)
  12. Marc-Edouard Vlasic 142 (119)
  13. Dino Ciccarelli 141 (122)
  14. Shayne Corson* 140 (128)
  15. Scott Mellanby 136 (149)
  16. Ryan Suter 133 (162)
  17. Peter Sezel 131 (178)
  18. Dave Poulin 129 (185)
  19. Russ Courtnall 129 (185)
  20. Marc Staal 128 (191)
  21. Keith Primeau 128 (191)
  22. Matt Carle 127 (196)
  23. Cliff Ronning 126 (202)
  24. Mel Bridgman 125 (205)
  25. Brian Boyle 124 (208)
  26. Daniel Briére 124 (208)
  27. Daniel Alfredsson 124 (208)
  28. Trevor Linden 124 (208)
  29. Chris Kreider 123 (216)
  30. Bryan Smolinski 123 (216)
  31. Jean Ratelle 123 (216)
  32. Zach Parise 122 (225)
  33. Paul Martin 122 (225)
  34. Mike Gartner 122 (225)
  35. Ryan Callahan 121 (231)
  36. Derek Stepan 120 (235)
  37. Brent Burns 120 (235)
  38. Craig Janney 120 (235)
  39. Charlie Coyle 119 (240)
  40. Justin Braun 119 (240)
  41. Sergio Momesso 119 (240)
  42. Kelly Miller 119 (240)
  43. Bernie Nicholls 118 (246)
  44. Kevin Hatcher 118 (246)
  45. Murray Craven 118 (246)
  46. Derick Brassard 118 (246)
  47. Paul Stastny 118 (246)
  48. Brenden Morrow 118 (246)
  49. James Patrick 117 (255)
  50. Logan Couture 117 (255)
  51. Stu Barnes 116 (258)
  52. Dave Ellett 116 (258)
  53. Mike Ramsey 115 (267)
  54. Chris Phillips 114 (270)
  55. Rick Middleton 114 (270)
  56. Gerald Diduck 114 (270)
  57. Dave Babych 114 (270)
  58. Anton Strålman 113 (282)
  59. Ryan Reaves 113 (282)
  60. Roman Hamrlik 113 (282)
  61. Joe Juneau 112 (290)
  62. Bob Murray 112 (290)
  63. Dave Manson 112 (290)
  64. Chico Maki* 112 (290)
  65. Dave Lowry 111 (296)
  66. James Neal 110 (301)
  67. Marcus Johansson 109 (306)
  68. Pierre Turgeon 109 (306)
  69. Don Sweeney 108 (314)
  70. Terry O’Reilly 108 (314)
  71. Peter McNab 107 (325)
  72. Bruce MacGregor* 107 (325)
  73. Randy Burridge 107 (325)
  74. Dainius Zubrus 106 (332)
  75. Wade Redden 106 (332)
  76. Martin Straka 106 (332)
  77. Norm Ullman 106 (332)
  78. Jyrki Lumme 105 (346)
  79. Calle Johansson 105 (346)
  80. Mattias Ekholm 105 (346)
  81. Henrik Sedin 105 (346)
  82. Chris Therien 104 (358)
  83. Ron Sutter 104 (358)
  84. Mike Ridley 104 (358)
  85. Dennis Hull 104 (358)
  86. Bob Sweeney 103 (369)
  87. Todd Gill* 103 (369)
  88. Curt Giles 103 (369)
  89. Keith Brown 103 (369)
  90. Jamie Benn 102 (378)
  91. Daniel Sedin 102 (378)
  92. Sami Salo 102 (378)
  93. Al Secord 102 (378)
  94. Sylvain Cote 102 (378)
  95. Dave Christian 102 (378)
  96. Ryan Kesler 101 (392)
  97. Dominic Moore 101 (392)
  98. Rhett Warrener 101 (392)
  99. Mike Grier 101 (392)
  100. Mark Howe 101 (392)
  101. Scott Hannan 100 (401)
  102. Mario Marois 100 (401)
  103. Pit Martin 100 (401)
Poor Peter Stastny. Had the Nordiques not gone in to the toilet during his final few seasons in Quebec, he'd be on the list. While he did hit the 100-postseason-points mark (105), he only played 93 postseason games.
 
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He won Stanley Cup 4-times. That means, he was in finals 11-times? Wow.. Is there any record of this record?

Henri Richard won the cup a record eleven times, out of twelve trips to the cup finals.

Jean Beliveau won ten cups out of 13 finals. Haven’t checked it but would be surprised if anyone beats 13 finals.

Edit: Actually, 12 is the most cup finals appearances, achieved by both brothers Richard, Beliveau, and Red Kelly. Beliveau missed the 1958-59 finals but scored five points in three games during the first round and was thus credited for the cup win.
 
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Where can I find information about the playoff bonuses* - particulary before expansion?
(* the bonuses paid out by the league to the playoff teams, which would be divided among the players)
They were usually listed in the annual NHL Guides. Unfortunately, I don't have any from the pre-expansion era, but I do have the 1987 one nearby so I can list the bonuses from that season. The dollar amounts per player are on the assumption that he had played every playoff game. If he only played in say 80% of his teams games, his bonus would only be 80% of the standard players share.

1987 Playoff bonuses per player:

Stanley Cup Winner: $25,000
SC Final Loser: $18,000
3rd Round Loser: $11,000
2nd Round Loser: $6,000
1st Round Loser: $3,000

This would be pocket change for today's players, but back then it must have been helpful for a 4th liner or bottom pairing defenceman on a team who had a long playoff run.

There were also regular season bonuses. The President's Trophy winner received $200,000: $100K to the players ($5,000 per player) and $100K to the team to distribute as they saw fit.

Players on a team that finished 1st in their division got $5,000. Players on a team that finished 2nd in their division got $2000.

Also, a player got $1,000 if he played on the winning team in the All-Star Game, or $750 if he was on the losing team.
 

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In case anyone is interested, here are the individual award bonuses from 1987:

All the major awards (Hart, Ross, Norris, Vezina, Calder, Byng, Selke, etc). were $3,000 to the winner, $1,500 to the runner-up. The following awards were exceptions,:

The Conn Smythe did not have a runner-up

The Jennings Award had an additional $250 to the leaders in the first and second halves of the season. (That sounds like something left over from the Vezina Trophy in the Original 6 days.

The Adams Award was just $1,000 to the winner.

The Masterton Award was a $1,500 scholarship grant.

There is no bonus money mentioned for winning the Lester Patrick or Lester Pearson Award.

Players who made the 1st All Star Team got $5,000. $2000 went to players on the 2nd team.

The Emery Edge +/- Award, which doesn't exist anymore: the winner got $2000. Additionally, each team leader in +/- got a $500 donation in their name to a charity of their choice.

Another award that no longer exists was the Dodge Performer of the Year, given to the leagues "most outstanding performer", though there's no mention of how the winner was selected. The prize was a Dodge vehicle of the players choice. At the time, Dodge also sponsored the Player of the Week and Player of the Month Awards. Winners of those had donations made in their name to youth hockey organizations ($500 to the weekly winners, $1000 to the monthly winners)
 

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They were usually listed in the annual NHL Guides. Unfortunately, I don't have any from the pre-expansion era, but I do have the 1987 one nearby so I can list the bonuses from that season. The dollar amounts per player are on the assumption that he had played every playoff game. If he only played in say 80% of his teams games, his bonus would only be 80% of the standard players share.

1987 Playoff bonuses per player:

Stanley Cup Winner: $25,000
SC Final Loser: $18,000
3rd Round Loser: $11,000
2nd Round Loser: $6,000
1st Round Loser: $3,000

This would be pocket change for today's players, but back then it must have been helpful for a 4th liner or bottom pairing defenceman on a team who had a long playoff run.

There were also regular season bonuses. The President's Trophy winner received $200,000: $100K to the players ($5,000 per player) and $100K to the team to distribute as they saw fit.

Players on a team that finished 1st in their division got $5,000. Players on a team that finished 2nd in their division got $2000.

Also, a player got $1,000 if he played on the winning team in the All-Star Game, or $750 if he was on the losing team.
Thank you. On a HF thread from 2012 I discovered that the basic (minimum) NHL salary in the 1960s - before expansion - was $7,500. According to Stan Mikita - in the Sports Illustrated article from 1966 - players who played on the first place team each received $2,250. Players who hoisted the Cup received $3,500. Needless to say, bonuses based on team success represented a real bonus to a player's income. That's why players were underwhelmed when traded to the teams which perennially missed the playoffs.

Dave Balon comes to mind as an excellent example of someone who enjoyed a very significant income increase because of a trade. He was part of the trade which also brought Gump Worsley to Montreal, while Jacques Plante, Phil Goyette and Don Marshall went to New York. Balon hoisted the Cup twice as a Hab, and - in 1966-67 - made it to the Final, but did not win the championship. Nonetheless, Dave would have been pocketing some excellent bonus money while with Montreal - much more than he would have received had he remained with the Rangers. Meanwhile, there was a significant drop in annual income for Plante, Goyette and Marshall.
 
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They were usually listed in the annual NHL Guides. Unfortunately, I don't have any from the pre-expansion era, but I do have the 1987 one nearby so I can list the bonuses from that season. The dollar amounts per player are on the assumption that he had played every playoff game. If he only played in say 80% of his teams games, his bonus would only be 80% of the standard players share.

1987 Playoff bonuses per player:

Stanley Cup Winner: $25,000
SC Final Loser: $18,000
3rd Round Loser: $11,000
2nd Round Loser: $6,000
1st Round Loser: $3,000

This would be pocket change for today's players, but back then it must have been helpful for a 4th liner or bottom pairing defenceman on a team who had a long playoff run.

There were also regular season bonuses. The President's Trophy winner received $200,000: $100K to the players ($5,000 per player) and $100K to the team to distribute as they saw fit.

Players on a team that finished 1st in their division got $5,000. Players on a team that finished 2nd in their division got $2000.

Also, a player got $1,000 if he played on the winning team in the All-Star Game, or $750 if he was on the losing team.

How much is it now?
 

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But we are talking about playoff extra money.

Oh okay, sorry.

Players no longer are allowed to have playoff bonuses in their contracts, with the exception of players on an entry level contract or who are past age 35. You aren’t however playing for free: the NHLPA distributes a set amount of money among the playoff teams, after the playoffs. This season the total is $22 million.

If you lost in the first round in 2023, your team received $250,000, or about $11,000 per player assuming a 23 man roster with the funds equally distributed.

The Stanley Cup champions on the other hand received $3,75 million, or roughly $163,000 per player.

Source and more details: The Hockey Writers
 

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The mid-1980s' Devils were not known for their defensive acumen, but even so a 10-game run they were on during 1985-86 was particularly woeful.

Despite some recent losses, the Devils beat 1st-play Philly (for the second time that season) 7-4 on December 17th, 1985. That put their record at 13-16-1. Not great, but still within striking distance of a playoff spot.

Then, during the next ten games, the Devils went 1-9-0 to pretty much kill off yet another season. (In fact, it was the start of a 2-20-1 run in the following 23 games, which must come close to a record for non-expansion futility.) Anyway, during the 10-game run, the Devils allowed 67 goals against, which is pretty staggering in any era.

I wonder how many clubs, not counting within a year or two of expansion, have allowed 67 or more goals against in a ten-game span...
 
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The mid-1980s' Devils were not known for their defensive acumen, but even so a 10-game run they were on during 1985-86 was particularly woeful.

Despite some recent losses, the Devils beat 1st-play Philly (for the second time that season) 7-4 on December 17th, 1985. That put their record at 13-16-1. Not great, but still within striking distance of a playoff spot.

Then, during the next ten games, the Devils went 1-9-0 to pretty much kill off yet another season. (In fact, it was the start of a 2-20-1 run in the following 23 games, which must come close to a record for non-expansion futility.) Anyway, during the 10-game run, the Devils allowed 67 goals against, which is pretty staggering in any era.

I wonder how many clubs, not counting within a year or two of expansion, have allowed 67 or more goals against in a ten-game span...

Quebec Nordiques 1989/1990 qualify?

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