Obscure hockey facts/stats (Part 2)

[pnep]

Can you please list also Palffy?

Season	gameid	Period	Time	Team	Goal	AST1	AST2
1995-96	199510070BOS	2	09:11	NYI	Todd Bertuzzi	Travis Green	Ziggy Pálffy
1998-99	199901290NYI	3	16:14	NYI	Zdeno Chara	Ziggy Pálffy
2000-01	200010060WSH	2	17:12	LAK	Eric Belanger	Ziggy Pálffy	Luc Robitaille
2000-01	200010230MDA	2	09:19	LAK	Tomas Vlasak	Jozef Stümpel	Ziggy Pálffy
2000-01	200010280PHX	1	07:08	LAK	Lubomir Visnovsky	Ziggy Pálffy	Tomas Vlasak
2002-03	200211160EDM	2	18:37	LAK	Mike Cammalleri	Brad Chartrand	Ziggy Pálffy
2003-04	200311190LAK	2	04:47	LAK	Kip Brennan	Lubomir Visnovsky	Ziggy Pálffy
2003-04	200311220COL	2	14:13	LAK	Dustin Brown	Mike Cammalleri	Ziggy Pálffy
2005-06	200510080PIT	2	18:32	PIT	Sidney Crosby	Mark Recchi	Ziggy Pálffy
2005-06	200511030NYI	2	15:43	PIT	Erik Christensen	Ziggy Pálffy	Ryan Whitney

 

[pnep]

And what if we turn this statistics to Most assist by last career goals?

Player	AST (Seasons 1917-21) *
Wayne Gretzky	17​
Dennis Maruk	16​
Jaromír Jágr	14​
Luc Robitaille	13​
Garry Unger	12​
Joe Thornton	12​
Jarome Iginla	12​
Ray Bourque	12​
Steve Yzerman	11​
Eric Staal	11​
Joe Sakic	11​
Henrik Sedin	11​
Wilf Paiement	11​
Corey Perry	11​
Mario Lemieux	11​
Jussi Jokinen	11​
Mike Gartner	11​
Johnny Gottselig	11​
Sidney Crosby	11​
Brandon Sutter	10​
Mark Recchi	10​
Don Raleigh	10​
Gordie Howe	10​
Dale Hunter	10​
Ryan Getzlaf	10​
Ron Francis	10​
Scott Gomez	10​
Tom Fitzgerald	10​
Bill Gadsby	10​
Patrik Elias	10​
Guy Charron	10​
Neal Broten	10​
Red Berenson	10​
Norm Ullman	9​
Dainius Zubrus	9​
Jozef Stümpel	9​
Cory Stillman	9​
Thomas Steen	9​
Kevin Stevens	9​
Mike Ribeiro	9​
Adam Oates	9​
Frans Nielsen	9​
Jari Kurri	9​
Marián Gáborík	9​
Sam Gagner	9​
Marcel Dionne	9​
Lorne Carr	9​
Rod Brind'Amour	9​
Keith Acton	9​

* - REG Season only.

Season	gameid	Period	Time	Team	Goal	AST1	AST2
1979-80	197912140EDM	2	09:42	EDM	Kari Makkonen	Wayne Gretzky	Blair MacDonald
1981-82	198112050VAN	2	13:57	EDM	Mike Forbes	Wayne Gretzky	Doug Hicks
1981-82	198112270EDM	3	11:27	EDM	Doug Hicks	Charlie Huddy	Wayne Gretzky
1981-82	198203170EDM	2	07:47	EDM	Garry Lariviere	Pat Hughes	Wayne Gretzky
1985-86	198602140EDM	1	10:07	EDM	Ken Solheim	Wayne Gretzky	Jari Kurri
1986-87	198611070CGY	1	10:04	EDM	Lee Fogolin	Esa Tikkanen	Wayne Gretzky
1988-89	198811230DET	1	06:27	LAK	Gord Walker	Wayne Gretzky	Dean Kennedy
1989-90	198911140CGY	1	09:57	LAK	Mike Allison	Wayne Gretzky	Mike Krushelnyski
1989-90	199003070LAK	1	18:58	LAK	Petr Prajsler	Wayne Gretzky	Mike Allison
1990-91	199103050WSH	1	02:09	LAK	Rod Buskas	Wayne Gretzky	Dave Taylor
1993-94	199310090LAK	2	08:13	LAK	Dominic Lavoie	Wayne Gretzky	Jari Kurri
1993-94	199311060LAK	2	14:37	LAK	Tim Watters	Wayne Gretzky
1993-94	199311060LAK	1	10:51	LAK	Brent Thompson	Luc Robitaille	Wayne Gretzky
1994-95	199504070CGY	2	11:42	LAK	Chris Snell	Wayne Gretzky	Pat Conacher
1996-97	199610160NYR	3	18:31	NYR	Christian Dube	Alexander Karpovtsev	Wayne Gretzky
1997-98	199801240NYR	1	16:34	NYR	Bruce Driver	Wayne Gretzky	Brian Leetch
1997-98	199803210NYR	3	09:33	NYR	Tim Sweeney	Bruce Driver	Wayne Gretzky
1976-77	197701090BUF	1	06:08	CLE	Jim Moxey	Al MacAdam	Dennis Maruk
1976-77	197701300CBH	2	07:28	CLE	Phil Roberto	Dennis Maruk	Al MacAdam
1978-79	197904030WSH	3	08:09	WSH	Jack Lynch	Dennis Maruk	Rick Green
1978-79	197904070MTL	1	01:04	WSH	Craig Patrick	Yvon Labre	Dennis Maruk
1979-80	198003080WSH	2	10:07	WSH	Antero Lehtonen	Dennis Maruk	Bob Sirois
1980-81	198012300VAN	2	00:31	WSH	Howard Walker	Bengt-Åke Gustafsson	Dennis Maruk
1980-81	198103270WSH	2	10:59	WSH	Dennis Ververgaert	Dennis Maruk	Pat Ribble
1980-81	198104020BOS	3	15:36	WSH	Bob Kelly	Dennis Maruk	Darren Veitch
1981-82	198110140WSH	2	16:29	WSH	Jean Pronovost	Dennis Maruk
1981-82	198202250WSH	3	17:56	WSH	Randy Holt	Dennis Maruk
1982-83	198303050WSH	2	11:14	WSH	Paul MacKinnon	Mike Gartner	Dennis Maruk
1983-84	198312280MNS	1	07:40	MNS	Dan Mandich	Dennis Maruk	Brent Ashton
1984-85	198503250MNS	2	15:57	MNS	Terry Martin	Ron Wilson	Dennis Maruk
1984-85	198504060MNS	1	14:00	MNS	Paul Holmgren	Dennis Maruk	Tony McKegney
1986-87	198703190BOS	3	15:16	MNS	Paul Boutilier	Dennis Maruk	Brian Lawton
1987-88	198712270MNS	2	01:40	MNS	Emanuel Viveiros	Dennis Maruk	Bob Brooke

 

[The Pale King]

Gretzky...? He had 1963 assists, which is 57% more assists than the #2 of all-time guy.

Who knows? But the odds would seem to be very high.

Gretzky assisted on:
-- Kevin Lowe's first goal (the Oilers' first NHL goal)
-- Blair McDonald's first
-- Risto Siltanen's first
-- Glenn Anderson's first
-- Raimo Summanen's first
-- Steve Smith's first
-- Sylvain Couturier's first
-- Rob Blake's first
-- Brent Thompson's first (his only NHL goal)
-- Vitali Yachmenev's first
-- Christian Dube's first


There must be others....

My hunch was that it would be a long-tenured "bad team" scorer with lots of roster turnover (was thinking a Ray Whitney type) and that playing with Gretzky would be something that vets earned the privledge of, rarity for rookies etc.

But as pnep shows, should never bet against Gretz.

Palffy's starting all "first goal assisted on" lineup is pretty solid. Whole lotta grit!

Bertuzzi - Crosby - Brown
Visnovsky - Chara

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

Player	AST (Seasons 1917-21) *
Dennis Maruk	17​
Wayne Gretzky	17​
Jaromír Jágr	14​

We have a new candidate for the title of “Most surprising record owned by Dennis Maruk”.

 

[The Panther]

We have a new candidate for the title of “Most surprising record owned by Dennis Maruk”.

Another feather in Dennis Maruk's cap -- the playoff point-per-game leaders (min. 5GP):
1981 - Gretzky
1982 - Gretzky
1983 - Gretzky
1984 - Gretzky
1985 - Gretzky
1986 - Maruk
1987 - Gretzky
1988 - Gretzky
1989 - Gretzky

 

[The Panther]

Career non-Power Play Goals rank - PLAYER (overall goals rank / PP goals rank):
1. 690 - Gretzky (1 / 17)
2. 590 - Howe (3 / 15)
3. 549 - Jagr (4 / 11)
4. 523 - Ovechkin (2 / 1)
5. 515 - Messier (9 / 29)
6. 497 - Dionne (6 / 9)
7. 491 - Gartner (8 / 12)
8. 490 - Yzerman (10 / 18)
9. 476 - Brett Hull (5 / 3)
10. 471 - P. Esposito (7 / 6)
11. 456 - Bobby Hull (18 / 47)
12. 454 - M. Lemieux (11 / 8)
13. 446 - Kurri (20 / 45)

Bobby Hull, Kurri, Messier and Gretzky are all notably low in PP-goals ranking vs. their non-PP goals rankings. Howe, too. The rest aren't too surprising. I did not realize Mike Gartner had 24 career short-handed goals!

EDIT -- I forgot to mention that (as many will know) Dave Andreychuk is 2nd in PP goals, and 15th in overall goals.

 

[The Panther]

1986-87 to 1990-91 (five seasons) Non-Power Play Goals
1. 195 - Yzerman
2. 186 - Gretzky (2 seasons Edmonton, 3 Los Angeles)
3. 181 - M. Lemieux
4. 165 - Robitaille
5. 154 - Brett Hull (1 season Calgary, 3 St. Louis -- only 4 seasons active)
6. 150 - Lafontaine
7. 142 - Neely
8. 140 - Gartner (3 seasons Washington, 1 Minnesota, 1 NYR)
9. 137 - Nicholls (3.5 seasons Los Angeles, 1.5 NYR)
10. 136 - Ciccarelli (3 seasons Minnesota, 2 Washington)
11. 135 - J. Mullen (4 seasons Calgary, 1 Pittsburgh)
12. 132 - Kurri (only 4 seasons active)

Now, I take those 12 top non-PP goal scorers and re-rank them by non-PP goals / game:

1. 0.60 - M. Lemieux
2. 0.51 - Yzerman
3. 0.50 - Brett Hull
4. 0.50 - Gretzky
5. 0.42 - Robitaille
6. 0.42 - Kurri
7. 0.39 - Neely
8. 0.39 - Lafontaine
9. 0.38 - Ciccarelli
10. 0.37 - Nicholls
11. 0.37 - J. Mullen
12. 0.36 - Gartner

 

[ES]

There were few players who played for Devils, Islanders and Rangers but I don't recall anyone who played only for those three.

I think Pat Conacher was the first to do that.

 

[The Panther]

There were few players who played for Devils, Islanders and Rangers but I don't recall anyone who played only for those three.

I think Pat Conacher was the first to do that.

Wow, he did. Had no idea. Only 13 games for the Isles at the end, but it counts.

Pat Conacher is the co-subject of my favorite NHL stat, ever: In 1983-84, he appeared in 45 games for Edmonton and scored 10 points. Goalie Grant Fuhr also appeared in 45 games... and scored 14 points.

 

[Sadekuuro]

There were few players who played for Devils, Islanders and Rangers but I don't recall anyone who played only for those three.

LaFontaine

 

[Fish on The Sand]

LaFontaine

You're mixing up the Devils with the Sabres. He never played for Jersey.

 

[Sadekuuro]

Sorry, you're right, I'm not reading so well today

 

[The Panther]

Current Edmonton Oilers are impressively moving up the franchise all-time lists:

Games Played (RS)

1.	Kevin Lowe*	1037
2.	Ryan Smyth	971
3.	Mark Messier*	851
4.	Glenn Anderson*	845
5.	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	801

Nuge, this season, passed Kurri, Buchberger, and Horcoff on the games played list, to move into the top-5 Oilers' all time.

Goals (RS)

1.	Wayne Gretzky*	583
2.	Jari Kurri*	474
3.	Glenn Anderson*	417
4.	Mark Messier*	392
5.	Leon Draisaitl	306
6.	Connor McDavid	303

Draisaitl and McDavid, in the past month or so, both passed Ryan Smyth and moved into 5th and 6th place all time, respectively. (McDavid is already 5th in ES goals.)

Assists (RS)

1.	Wayne Gretzky*	1086
2.	Mark Messier*	642
3.	Jari Kurri*	569
4.	Connor McDavid	547
5.	Glenn Anderson*	489
6.	Paul Coffey*	460
7.	Leon Draisaitl	438
8.	Doug Weight	420
9.	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	399

Nuge remains in 9th place (until next season, I guess), but Draisaitl passed Doug Weight this year for 7th, and McDavid passed Glenn Anderson to move into 4th all time.

Points

1.	Wayne Gretzky*	1669
2.	Jari Kurri*	1043
3.	Mark Messier*	1034
4.	Glenn Anderson*	906
5.	Connor McDavid	850
6.	Leon Draisaitl	744
7.	Paul Coffey*	669
8.	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	632

Amazingly, before this season McDavid was in the '600's' in points, and now he's just 50 points short of 900! He's got 5th place, and if healthy next season will surpass Anderson and move into 4th. Meanwhile, Draisaitl passed Ryan Smyth and Paul Coffey to grab 6th place. Nuge passed Doug Weight to push into the top-10, at 9th place.

Connor McDavid is also sitting at 2nd all time for the Oilers in assists per-game and points per-game. (He's currently 4th in goals per-game, behind Wayne, Jari, and... Jimmy Carson.)

 

[frisco]

Current Edmonton Oilers are impressively moving up the franchise all-time lists:

Games Played (RS)

1.	Kevin Lowe*	1037
2.	Ryan Smyth	971
3.	Mark Messier*	851
4.	Glenn Anderson*	845
5.	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	801

Nuge, this season, passed Kurri, Buchberger, and Horcoff on the games played list, to move into the top-5 Oilers' all time.

And RNH only 400 points behind Kurri. Four more hundred-point seasons in a row will remedy that.

My Best-Carey

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Toronto's Mitch Marner was +9 in the first round. His teammate Justin Holl was -7. Has there ever been a playoff series where the the gap in plus/minus (between the best and worst player on a team) was greater than +16?

 

[Mike C]

There were few players who played for Devils, Islanders and Rangers but I don't recall anyone who played only for those three.

I think Pat Conacher was the first to do that.

Greg Gilbert won a Cup with both Islanders and Rangers

 

[The Panther]

Toronto's Mitch Marner was +9 in the first round. His teammate Justin Holl was -7. Has there ever been a playoff series where the the gap in plus/minus (between the best and worst player on a team) was greater than +16?

Great question. I think big discrepancies like that were more common in the 70s and 80s.

I love how, in the 1983 Calgary-Edmonton series, Flames' Paul Reinhart scored 6 goals in five games and somehow went -14. (However, the best Flame was only -1, so that's "only" a thirteen-ES goals' differential.)

The -16 is matched by some Boston Bruins in the wild 1983 Boston-Buffalo second-round series. Brad Park went +14 while Bruce Crowder and Luc Dufour went -2 each.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

In the entirety of NHL history, only five players have scored 4 goals in a loss in the playoffs. Two of those games occurred on consecutive days (yesterday and today).

 

[norrisnick]

Not a singular fact, but I noticed a peculiarity regarding Lidstrom. I was looking up where Barrie ranked over the last 10 years in D scoring (7th by the way). For reference I went back another 10 and then another 10 to see how the lists compared and I noticed how similar Lidstrom's stats were in those snapshots. So I looked up his career and cut it in half (easy as it's 20 seasons).

First 10 seasons ('91-'92 through '00-'01):
775 GP - 136 Goals - 431 Assists - 567 Points - 0.73 PPG - +205

Second 10 seasons ('01-'02 through '11-'12, no season in '04-'05):
789 GP - 128 Goals - 447 Assists - 575 Points - 0.73 PPG - +245

I'm scared to actually go game by game... to get an even split LOL

I shouldn't have... Taking the first 7 games from the '01-02 season and moving it to the top half...

782 GP - 136 Goals - 435 Assists - 571 Points - 0.73 PPG - +209
782 GP - 128 Goals - 443 Assists - 571 Points - 0.73 PPG - +241

What the actual f***?

 

[Hynh]

Not a singular fact, but I noticed a peculiarity regarding Lidstrom. I was looking up where Barrie ranked over the last 10 years in D scoring (7th by the way). For reference I went back another 10 and then another 10 to see how the lists compared and I noticed how similar Lidstrom's stats were in those snapshots. So I looked up his career and cut it in half (easy as it's 20 seasons).

First 10 seasons ('91-'92 through '00-'01):
775 GP - 136 Goals - 431 Assists - 567 Points - 0.73 PPG - +205

Second 10 seasons ('01-'02 through '11-'12, no season in '04-'05):
789 GP - 128 Goals - 447 Assists - 575 Points - 0.73 PPG - +245

I'm scared to actually go game by game... to get an even split LOL

I shouldn't have... Taking the first 7 games from the '01-02 season and moving it to the top half...

782 GP - 136 Goals - 435 Assists - 571 Points - 0.73 PPG - +209
782 GP - 128 Goals - 443 Assists - 571 Points - 0.73 PPG - +241

What the actual f***?

He's some kind of experimental hockey playing robot.

 

[norrisnick]

He's some kind of experimental hockey playing robot.

Just did his playoffs...

'92 - '01
129 Games - 27 Goals - 64 Assists - 91 Points - +22

'02 - '12
134 Games - 27 Goals - 65 Assists - 92 Points - +39

With odd games no even split is possible...

 

[The Panther]

I thought I'd update this stat after the past season, and in case anyone missed it last time:

Number of 50-goal / player-seasons per franchise (re-located franchises' ex-cities / goal-totals in bold):

0 x Colorado Rockies / New Jersey (most is 48)
0 x Columbus (most is 41)
0 x Minnesota (most is 47)
0 x Nashville (most is 43)
0 x Seattle (most is 40)
0 x Vegas (most is 43)

1 x San Jose (56)

2 x Atlanta Thrashers / Winnipeg 2.0 (52, 52)
2 x Florida (59, 58)
2 x Hartford / Carolina (56, 52)
2 x Ottawa (50, 50)

4 x Tampa Bay (60, 52, 51, 51)
4 x Anaheim (52, 51, 50, 50)
4 x Minnesota North Stars / Dallas (55, 55, 52, 50)
4 x NY Rangers (54, 52, 52, 50)
4 x Winnipeg 1.0 / Arizona (76, 53, 52, 50)
4 x Vancouver (60, 60, 55, 51)

6 x Buffalo (76, 56, 53, 52, 52, 50)
6 x Toronto (60, 54, 53, 52, 51, 51)

8 x Chicago (58, 54, 54, 53, 52, 50, 50, 50)
8 x St. Louis (86, 72, 70, 57, 54, 54, 52, 51)

9 x Quebec / Colorado (57, 56, 55, 55, 54, 53, 52, 51, 50)

10 x Atlanta Flames / Calgary (66, 53, 52, 51, 51, 51, 51, 50, 50, 50)

11 x Detroit (65, 62, 58, 56, 55, 52, 52, 51, 51, 50, 50)

12 x Boston (78, 68, 66, 61, 61, 55, 55, 51, 51, 51, 50, 50)
12 x Montréal (60, 60, 56, 56, 53, 52, 51, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50)
12 x NY Islanders (69, 68, 64, 61, 60, 58, 58, 54, 53, 51, 51, 50)
12 x Philadelphia (61, 58, 58, 54, 54, 53, 51, 51, 50, 50, 50, 50)

14 x Los Angeles (70, 63, 59, 58, 56, 56, 56, 55, 54, 53, 53, 53, 52, 50)

15 x Washington (65, 60, 56, 53, 53, 52, 52, 52, 51, 51, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50)

16 x Pittsburgh (85, 70, 69, 69, 62, 55, 55, 54, 54, 53, 52, 52, 51, 51, 50, 50)

19 x Edmonton (92, 87, 73, 71, 71, 68, 64, 62, 55, 55, 54, 54, 54, 52, 52, 52, 51, 50, 50)


NOTES:
-- Of franchises that have existed for 30+ years, Colorado / New Jersey is the only one to NEVER have a single 50-goal scorer. In fact, in 47 years, the Rockies / Devils franchise has had zero 50-goal scorers; while in fewer years the Oilers franchise has had 19.
-- Montréal and Washington have each had 5 player-seasons where the player hit exactly 50 goals (Maurice Richard being the first of all 50-goal scorers, of course).
-- Chicago and Quebec/Colorado are the only franchises to have had six or more 50+ goal scorers but never a 60+ goal scorer.
-- Montréal's first and last 50-goal scorers are 45 years apart.
-- Mike Bossy accounts for 75% of the NY Islanders' 50-goal seasons.
-- Alex Ovechkin accounts for 60% of the Capitals' 50-goal seasons.

 

[The Panther]

Since 2016-17 (seven years ago), Connor McDavid has averaged 126 points per 82 games.

Since 2019-20 (four years ago), he has averaged 139 points per 82 games.

 

[Crosby2010]

The Toronto Maple Leafs have somehow not been swept in a playoff series since 1981 against the Islanders. Impossible right? But how? I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that either every other team since then or darn near close has been swept at some point. This is the definition of an obscure stat because they've had lousy teams and a lack of playoff success. But somehow no sweeps against them.

 

[kaiser matias]

The Toronto Maple Leafs have somehow not been swept in a playoff series since 1981 against the Islanders. Impossible right? But how? I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that either every other team since then or darn near close has been swept at some point. This is the definition of an obscure stat because they've had lousy teams and a lack of playoff success. But somehow no sweeps against them.

Was curious so took a look, and aside from Vegas and Seattle, New Jersey is the only team never to have been swept. For posterity I put the list of everyone's last sweep below:

Anaheim - 2018 (Sharks)
Arizona - 2011 (Red Wings)
Boston - 1993 (Sabres)
Buffalo - 1993 (Canadiens)
Calgary - 2017 (Ducks)
Carolina - 2019 (Bruins)
Chicago - 2017 (Predators)
Colorado - 2008 (Red Wings)
Columbus - 2009 (Red Wings)
Dallas - 2001 (Blues)
Detroit - 2003 (Ducks)
Edmonton - 2022 (Avalanche)
Florida - 2022 (Tampa)
Los Angeles - 2018 (Golden Knights)
Minnesota - 2015 (Blackhawks)
Montreal - 2009 (Bruins)
Nashville - 2022 (Avalanche)
New Jersey - Never been swept
Islanders - 2019 (Hurricanes)
Rangers - 2020 (Hurricanes; in the play-in); otherwise, 2006 (Devils)
Ottawa - 2008 (Penguins)
Philadelphia - 2011 (Bruins)
Pittsburgh - 2019 (Islanders)
San Jose - 2010 (Blackhawks)
St. Louis - 2021 (Avalanche)
Seattle - Never been swept
Tampa - 2019 (Blue Jackets)
Toronto - 1981 (Islanders)
Vancouver - 2013 (Sharks)
Vegas - Never been swept
Winnipeg - 2021 (Canadiens)
Washington - 2011 (Lightning)

Edit: Fixed Philadelphia.