And I think he was released after that season and ended up signing with Chicago, where he finished most of his career outside the NHL. It is a unique stat regardless. We see people have strong games here or there. But 13 goals and 18 points in 24 games for someone not even a prospect, that is an outlier for sure.
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The Panther
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1942-43 was Maurice Richard's first full NHL season (after a 16-game rookie year), and you can really see when 'the Punch line' took off:
-- First 8 games of season: Richard 0 goals (and zero points)
-- Next 20 games: Richard 11 goals
-- Last 18 games: Richard 21 goals
Then, he scored 12 goals in nine playoff games, and the weird thing is how they all came in bunches. In five of the nine games, he failed to score. He score all 12 goals in only four games.
-- First 8 games of season: Richard 0 goals (and zero points)
-- Next 20 games: Richard 11 goals
-- Last 18 games: Richard 21 goals
Then, he scored 12 goals in nine playoff games, and the weird thing is how they all came in bunches. In five of the nine games, he failed to score. He score all 12 goals in only four games.
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In 1976 the cleveland Crusaders of the WHA moved to Saint Paul Minnesota due to the arrival of the NHL’s California Golden Seals two years later the cleveland Barons went bancrupt and pretty much merged with the Minnesota north stars.
In a two year span two Cleveland pro hockey teams moved to Minnesota
In a two year span two Cleveland pro hockey teams moved to Minnesota
I just found out that Gordie Howe still holds the record for most career goals in non-hat trick games. Howe has 744, Gretzky is in 2nd with 727. The link I was looking at looks like it is from about 30 games ago but Ovechkin was 4th back then with 716.
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Most Career Goals In Hockey Without A Hat Trick | StatMuse
Gordie Howe has recorded the most career goals in non-hat-tricks, with 744 scored.
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I don't know if I've ever seen this before. As a Cap, Chris Simon scored a goal against the Senators and then immediately took a fighting major, which I believe would have shown up in the box score at the same exact time as the goal, because the clock stopped. It wasn't just Simon getting into a scrum after scoring, which happens all the time, but an isolated 1:1 fight against Chris Neil:
Mike C
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Not sure if this has been mentioned. I think John Tonelli is the only player in NHL history to have scored a goal with an assist from Gordie Howe (WHA) and Wayne Gretzky ( LA Kings)
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Right, but not "NHL history" if Howe assisted on a Tonelli goal only in the WHA, right?
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Here's one:
Mike Knuble...
...may be the only NHL player in history to have scored NHL goals assisted by both Wayne Gretzky (x4) and Alex Ovechkin (x24). (He might also be the only player to have been an NHL teammate of both of them, but I'm not sure.)
Mike Knuble...
...may be the only NHL player in history to have scored NHL goals assisted by both Wayne Gretzky (x4) and Alex Ovechkin (x24). (He might also be the only player to have been an NHL teammate of both of them, but I'm not sure.)
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Rather than creating a new thread thought I'd ask it here:
how many defensemen have three or more finishes in top 10 points overall? Erik Karlsson is heading towards his third top 10 finish, having previously ended 10th in 11/12 and 4th in 15/16. We'll see if he can keep it up but interesting nonetheless.
Orr and Coffey obviously but beyond those?
how many defensemen have three or more finishes in top 10 points overall? Erik Karlsson is heading towards his third top 10 finish, having previously ended 10th in 11/12 and 4th in 15/16. We'll see if he can keep it up but interesting nonetheless.
Orr and Coffey obviously but beyond those?
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Yes. I thought it counted since all 3 were NHL players and obviously 2 are legends. Wasn't thinking NHL only. Sorry
Yes. I just thought it was pretty cool that Tonelli scored goals assisted by 2 of hockey's all time greats. He played with Howe in Houston of WHA and Gretzky on the Kings
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In the early days of the NHL, Harry Cameron had four top 10 finishes in 1917-18, 1918-19, 1920-21, and 1921-22; Georges Boucher had three straight between 1921-22 and 1923-24. Sprague Cleghorn and Ken Randall each had two top 10 finishes, both in 1918-19 and 1921-22.
Later on, Red Kelly had top 10 finishes in 1950-51, 1952-53, 1953-54.
Potvin finished top 10 twice, and was a single point off in 1975-76.
The other defensemen to finish in the top-10 of the scoring race are Eddie Gerard (1917-18), King Clancy (1923-24), Tom Anderson (1941-42), Bill Gadsby (1955-56), Pierre Pilote (1964-65), Doug Mohns (1966-67), Brad Park (1973-74), Ray Bourque (1986-87), Al MacInnis (1990-91), Brian Leetch (1991-92), and Brent Burns (2016-17).
Karlsson would thus join Harry Cameron, Georges Boucher, Red Kelly, Bobby Orr and Paul Coffey as the sixth NHL defenseman to make the top-10 scorers three times, if he does so.
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Garry Unger was also teammates with Howe and Gretzky. He assisted on goals to both of them, but Gretzky never assisted on any of Unger's goals.
I believe (but am not sure) that Bobby Schmautz is the only player to have both Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr assist on a goal he scored in the NHL (obviously not the same goal).
Gordie Roberts has assisted on goals by both Gordie Howe and Mario Lemieux.
I believe (but am not sure) that Bobby Schmautz is the only player to have both Wayne Gretzky and Bobby Orr assist on a goal he scored in the NHL (obviously not the same goal).
Gordie Roberts has assisted on goals by both Gordie Howe and Mario Lemieux.
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that's all correct. Just to add to that, Boucher and Cameron both did it in the pre-merger NHL where half the best players were out west, which dampens their achievement a lot.
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The list is really neat in that it reflects the changes in defensive roles throughout times. Early point players had zero offensive expectations, though the lack of recording assists can make it hard to really gauge. Then it really opens up in the mid 10s with rushing defensemen becoming an expectation.
Shore never doing it is more reflective of his era than ability. And the opening up of the first pass system in the early 50s allowing more.
Lidstrom never doing it despite being the best offensive defenseman for a decade is such a neat demonstration of historical norms.
Shore never doing it is more reflective of his era than ability. And the opening up of the first pass system in the early 50s allowing more.
Lidstrom never doing it despite being the best offensive defenseman for a decade is such a neat demonstration of historical norms.
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Aha... That here confused me:
...I think John Tonelli is the only player in NHL history to have scored...
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Gordie Roberts scored 8 goals with Hartford the year Howe played there and scored 5 goals in Pittsburgh over two seasons with Mario.
I don't if Howe or Mario assisted on any of his goals, but if they did, that would be pretty cool.
Roberts, in his NHL career, played with Bobby Hull, Brett Hull, Gordie Howe, Mark Howe, Dave Keon, Mario Lemieux, Paul Coffey, Raymond Bourque, Cam Neely, Bryan Trottier and Jaromir Jagr.
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Not Doug Mohns. He did play a significant amount of D in his career, but he definitely was playing forward in '67.
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So, Connor McDavid has 86 points in 47 games. I was just wondering how that compared to Wayne Gretzky in some of his seasons. Wayne will be way ahead in his peak years, but outside of those...?. Does McDavid's current pace surpass any of Gretzky's from his outer prime years?
Gretzky's totals:
1979-80
73 in 47 games
1980-81
83 in 47 games
(From 1981-82 through 1988-89, Gretzky easily surpasses 100 points every 47 games, reaching a peak of 141 points in 47 games in 1983-84.)
1989-90
98 in 47 games
1990-91
91 in 47 games
(If we extend this comparison a little beyond Gretzky's prime years, it continues...):
1991-92
72 in 47 games
1993-94
87 in 47 games
So, McDavid's current scoring pace is higher than Gretzky's in his NHL rookie year and his sophomore year (which ended with 164 in 80 games played). He's still below Gretzky's 1989-90 (2nd L.A. season) pace, but I wouldn't be surprised that if I check back after McDavid has played 57 games that he'll be equal or ahead of Gretzky (Wayne went into a slump---his first in 10 years---around the 47-game mark in 1989-90). McDavid is only a bit behind Gretzky's 1990-91 pace, when Wayne ended up with 163 points in 78 games. And, he's ahead of Gretzky's 1991-92 pace, and just one point off his 1993-94 (last scoring title) pace.
Gretzky's totals:
1979-80
73 in 47 games
1980-81
83 in 47 games
(From 1981-82 through 1988-89, Gretzky easily surpasses 100 points every 47 games, reaching a peak of 141 points in 47 games in 1983-84.)
1989-90
98 in 47 games
1990-91
91 in 47 games
(If we extend this comparison a little beyond Gretzky's prime years, it continues...):
1991-92
72 in 47 games
1993-94
87 in 47 games
So, McDavid's current scoring pace is higher than Gretzky's in his NHL rookie year and his sophomore year (which ended with 164 in 80 games played). He's still below Gretzky's 1989-90 (2nd L.A. season) pace, but I wouldn't be surprised that if I check back after McDavid has played 57 games that he'll be equal or ahead of Gretzky (Wayne went into a slump---his first in 10 years---around the 47-game mark in 1989-90). McDavid is only a bit behind Gretzky's 1990-91 pace, when Wayne ended up with 163 points in 78 games. And, he's ahead of Gretzky's 1991-92 pace, and just one point off his 1993-94 (last scoring title) pace.
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NYI even strength scoring during their four Stanley Cup wins (PP, SH) :
Tonelli 60 (3, 0)
Trottier 56 (43, 8)
Bossy 53 (58, 0)
Nystrom 47 (6, 0)
Bourne 45 (20, 9)
Goring 44 (12, 6)
D.Sutter 39 (6, 0)
Merrick 39 (1, 0)
Potvin 29 (50, 6)
Gillies 29 (18, 0) --66gp
(All above players totalling 72-78 gp in these playoffs, except Gillies totalling 66 gp.)
Bossy, Trottier, Potvin got the chance to boost their scoring numbers by playing lots of PP (and being good at it).
Trottier, Bourne, Goring, Potvin obviously played plenty of PK.
In my opinion, many people pay too much focus on raw scoring numbers when judging players, not focusing on their overall contribution. (My favorite example is still the mid-1970s BUF, with their excellent 2nd line of Ramsay-Luce-Gare, which statistically seemed to outplay their more famous 1st line.)
Tonelli 60 (3, 0)
Trottier 56 (43, 8)
Bossy 53 (58, 0)
Nystrom 47 (6, 0)
Bourne 45 (20, 9)
Goring 44 (12, 6)
D.Sutter 39 (6, 0)
Merrick 39 (1, 0)
Potvin 29 (50, 6)
Gillies 29 (18, 0) --66gp
(All above players totalling 72-78 gp in these playoffs, except Gillies totalling 66 gp.)
Bossy, Trottier, Potvin got the chance to boost their scoring numbers by playing lots of PP (and being good at it).
Trottier, Bourne, Goring, Potvin obviously played plenty of PK.
In my opinion, many people pay too much focus on raw scoring numbers when judging players, not focusing on their overall contribution. (My favorite example is still the mid-1970s BUF, with their excellent 2nd line of Ramsay-Luce-Gare, which statistically seemed to outplay their more famous 1st line.)
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