Confirmed Signing with Link: [NYR] G Igor Shesterkin signs extension with the Rangers (8 years, $11.5m AAV)

[TheNumber4]

So, start with Helly's $8.5M and then add $3M for Shesterkin trouncing him in the playoffs? Seems to add up fine.

I mean the Avs when they start flying are different animal than anything Shersterkin had to face. So a little context is needed. Jets really flailed in front of him that series.

 

[JaegerDice]

So what should he be making on an 8 year deal?

I'd frankly never give a goalie an 8 year deal under the current CBA that disallows massive front-loading.

I'd probably max out at 5x8.5, and if they didn't take that, I'd shop the goalie around for a package that included a goalie that could put up league-average numbers and use the cap space and assets to bolster other positions.

 

[TheNumber4]

One guy being underpaid doesn't mean another guy has to follow.

Does it mean he has to be overpaid though?

 

[Hallonbroder]

This is like saying you wouldn't pay any forward $11 million unless they're Crosby/McDavid-level. It's just not an accurate reflection of the state of being.

Not really. I just don’t think that Igor “stands out in the crowd” of the goalies today, like the ones I mentioned. I don’t think he’s worth the biggest goalie deal ever.

But that’s just my take, go think what you will.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'd frankly never give a goalie an 8 year deal under the current CBA that disallows massive front-loading.

I'd probably max out at 5x8.5, and if they didn't take that, I'd shop the goalie around for a package that included a goalie that could put up league-average numbers and use the cap space and assets to bolster other positions.

So, something like $4M a year?

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Lmfao horrible

 

[JaegerDice]

Teams need 2 goaltenders on the roster. If the backup is a useless league min plug then you need to ride a starter heavily to balance out the weakness, making them of greater importance. No different than if the third and fourth line give no scoring, you need your first liner to really carry a heavier scoring load. If the backup is good, you can have a lesser "starting" goalie because they can split a more even workload.

Essentially, all 64 "at a given moment in time" goaltenders need to be evaluated to understand a particular one's place, same as evaluating 384 "at a given moment in time" Forwards.

This is lunacy tho. At 'this moment in time' a backup that has played 10 games may have a .950 sv% based on the competition he faced and sheer luck. Does that make him better than Shesterkin?

You have to evaluate value based on comparative track records, workloads, etc.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Yay, Igor got what he wanted!

 

[japhi27returns]

The idea that your goalie, the most important player on the team, can’t also be the highest paid on the team is the worst take in sports. As if guys like Bob, Price, Vasy don’t exist and haven’t taken their teams deep the past decade. Safe bet is on the Rangers vs better teams with worse tenders when the playoffs roll around each year.

Great signing. Goalies matter.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Does it mean he has to be overpaid though?

He's not overpaid though. He's a top player making top player money.

 

[JaegerDice]

So, something like $4M a year?

Again, I would simply never go 8 years because of how much the contract would hand-cuff me. It's almost impossible for me to give you a number for 8 years that would make sense.

 

[WarriorofTime]

This is lunacy tho. At 'this moment in time' a backup that has played 10 games may have a .950 sv% based on the competition he faced and sheer luck. Does that make him better than Shesterkin?

You have to evaluate value based on comparative track records, workloads, etc.

Yes, ability to absorb a heavy workload is an important component of how you'd rank a goalie. Not sure what's so controversial.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Why not us Helly as the Comp. Helly has outperfomed Shesty the last 2 years.

Because the top goalie looks at the top contract, that's how comparisons work. It's not Shestyorkin's fault Helly completely lowballed himself. If your point is that Helly took more of a discount that's obviously true but his contract is ridiculous, he is effectively being paid the same amount that Swayman got as an RFA.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Again, I would simply never go 8 years because of how much the contract would hand-cuff me. It's almost impossible for me to give you a number for 8 years that would make sense.

Right, so you'd let him walk. Which is a risk in and of itself as well.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Again, I would simply never go 8 years because of how much the contract would hand-cuff me. It's almost impossible for me to give you a number for 8 years that would make sense.

Ok, but that's still not the question.

 

[TheNumber4]

He's not overpaid though. He's a top player making top player money.

He’s a top 10 player making best player in the world type money++

 

[BKarchitect]

The idea that your goalie, the most important player on the team, can’t also be the highest paid on the team is the worst take in sports. As if guys like Bob, Price, Vasy don’t exist and haven’t taken their teams deep the past decade. Safe bet is on the Rangers vs better teams with worse tenders when the playoffs roll around each year.

Great signing. Goalies matter.

Yeah. Shesterkin is the best goalie in the league. Similar cap % to Bob’s deal back in the day. He deserves every penny and if the Rangers didn’t want to pay him that, multiple other clubs would have moved things around to make it work.

 

[JaegerDice]

The idea that your goalie, the most important player on the team, can’t also be the highest paid on the team is the worst take in sports. As if guys like Bob, Price, Vasy don’t exist and haven’t taken their teams deep the past decade. Safe bet is on the Rangers vs better teams with worse tenders when the playoffs roll around each year.

Great signing. Goalies matter.

The worst take in sports is that the goalie is the most important player on a team.

Ask the Colorado Avalanche and Vegas Golden Knights (and their fans or media) to rank their most important players, see how high up the list their goalies are.

Do the same for the Blackhawks or the Penguins.

The Red Wings before them.

I could go back to the 80s Oilers.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The idea that your goalie, the most important player on the team, can’t also be the highest paid on the team is the worst take in sports. As if guys like Bob, Price, Vasy don’t exist and haven’t taken their teams deep the past decade. Safe bet is on the Rangers vs better teams with worse tenders when the playoffs roll around each year.

Great signing. Goalies matter.

It's a massively outdated take from when when league scoring was comically low a decade ago, and every goaltender had giant pads on so random no names was posting .920 save percentages.

Wake up sheeple, league wide save percentage isn't .915 anymore.

 

[JaegerDice]

Ok, but that's still not the question.

It is, kind of.

The answer is, you trade this goalie for a goalie that isn't demanding 8 years, as well as a great deal of assets thanks to the fact that your expensive goalie has pedigree.

 

[SoundAndFury]

He’s a top 10 player making best player in the world type money++

He is still paid 2 mil less than Matthews and similar contracts in the 14 million range will come to Marner, Rantanen and such. So what are we talking about here?

 

[CommaSynapse]

I've followed Igor since he was drafted and through all those KHL years. I think he's a great goalie.

I still don't love this contract. If he was getting the years, he should've taken less dollars, but I guess it takes one question mark out of the locker room.

 

[Mike C]

Igor is now filthy rich , congratulations

Is his wife a doctor?

 

[JaegerDice]

It's a massively outdated take from when when league scoring was comically low a decade ago, and every goaltender had giant pads on so random no names was posting .920 save percentages.

Wake up sheeple, league wide save percentage isn't .915 anymore.

Scoring is literally higher than it's been since the early 90s, and your position is 'it's the guys that STOP goals that are more valuable!'

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I said 11.5 to 12 from the get go.

With the cap jumps I even said up to 12.5.

Best goalie or top 3 goalie in the world.