Proposal: NYR - Dallas

[MtoD]

This, 100%.

The Rangers have the pro-rated equivalent of about $38m in cap space. The next closest team has about $8m.

CapFriendly shows the Rangers with a current pro-rated cap space of ~19M, not sure where the 38M number is coming from even if you project similarly up until the TDL. I'm guessing you're just doubling that number but the cap calculations are a little more complex than that.

But more interestingly, I'd love to hear how you came up with the "next closest team has about 8M". You think the Rangers have 38M in space but no-one else in the league has more than 8M? Dang they're good with the cap.

(For reference, Buffalo has the current most total space at 34M, 6 teams have more than NYR and 11 have more than 8M.. even more if you were double everyone's cap space like you did the Rangers..)

EDIT: I see you edited your post and put in a tweet but you kinda missed the huge part of that tweet that is only including Eastern Conference playoff teams..)

 

[jonlin]

For someone acting like you studied the Rangers cap in the future you sure as hell don't know anything about our cap this year if you are peddling 50% off Pavelski this year as having any value at all to the Rangers lol

It has all the value in the world - it means Rangers could add 1-2 more pieces for playoffs.

 

[MtoD]

It has all the value in the world - it means Rangers could add 1-2 more pieces for playoffs.

They'd have to be humongous pieces if they needed Pavelski at 50%. A conservative estimate puts them at 30M total space.. who are these 1-2 pieces they're adding for 25M+?

People don't realize that cap space accrues during the season.. the Rangers have been far below the cap this year so have more space to play with than a simple "add up cap hit and subtract from upper limit" would suggest.

it's next year where the cap troubles begin for the Rangers... not this year at all

 

[Alluckks]

It has all the value in the world - it means Rangers could add 1-2 more pieces for playoffs.

I even gave you a link man, are you that lazy or are you that obtuse?

You clearly just don't know what you are talking about and are not only willfully ignorant but also arrogant about it

Here is a screenshot and I added a big red circle and some arrows

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I even gave you a link man, are you that lazy or are you that obtuse?

You clearly just don't know what you are talking about and are not only willfully ignorant but also arrogant about it

Here is a screenshot and I added a big red circle and some arrows

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Can somebody explain why it is so high?

 

[Dynamite Time]

There’s no reason for the Rangers to give Kakko away for a rental. Even though Pavelski is having a career type season and say signs a 2 year extension to stay with NY it still isn’t worth it and I’m a Stars fan.

Rangers look good this year and are only going to get better as their youngsters develop. This is also actually good for the Rangers as they’ll be able to sign those guys to lower cost bridge deals as they become top 6 guys.

 

[Johno]

sorry, thought he was a C,
based on HockeyDB and EliteProspects pages
Logan Stankoven at eliteprospects.com
Logan Stankoven Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com
I dont follow CHL closely

but i hadn't noticed he was just 5'8

what about Nils Lundkvist for Mavrik Bourque?

Dallas is NOT entertaining trading the top three prospects for any lateral move. The way they are developing, why the heck would they just ship them away??

Best prospect from WHL, OHL and QMJHL aren't moving for another prospect.

I think Rangers should possibly target Dallas prospect Wyatt Johnston talented Center who plays with Will Cuylle

Target all you want, but unless you are overpaying by a HEFTY amount, get out of here.

 

[jay from jersey]

Dallas is NOT entertaining trading the top three prospects for any lateral move. The way they are developing, why the heck would they just ship them away??

Best prospect from WHL, OHL and QMJHL aren't moving for another prospect.



Target all you want, but unless you are overpaying by a HEFTY amount, get out of here.

I could see Johnson or Damani being of interest to NYR.
I’m sure Dallas would like to add Lundkvist/Robertson/Miller to their D once klingberg leaves...

kakko for Pavelski isn’t gonna happen though. For better or worse LaF and kakko will both be rangers until their 24-25 imo.
They are the teams 2 highest draft picks in the last 100 years.

 

[jay from jersey]

Not like any GM would take on Nemeth whitout a 1st rd pick coming back in the deal

Yea right, no one would pay a 1st to move him.
He’s got a cheap buyout and a team like buff/Ari would gladly take him to add a 2nd in the 22/23 drafts.
Or they would just play him to field a team and get to the cap floor.
Neither team wants to win too many games the rest of this season or next for Wright/ and especially Bedard.
Nemeth would help both their chances

 

[Dynamite Time]

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[Dynamite Time]

Dallas is NOT entertaining trading the top three prospects for any lateral move. The way they are developing, why the heck would they just ship them away??

Best prospect from WHL, OHL and QMJHL aren't moving for another prospect.



Target all you want, but unless you are overpaying by a HEFTY amount, get out of here.

Johnston isn’t going anywhere but a trade involving Bourque for Lundkvist isn’t off the wall. Stars are in need of another young defenseman (even with Harley) heading forward. Of course this wouldn’t be a move to look at until the offseason.

 

[Johno]

I could see Johnson or Damani being of interest to NYR.
I’m sure Dallas would like to add Lundkvist/Robertson/Miller to their D once klingberg leaves...

kakko for Pavelski isn’t gonna happen though. For better or worse LaF and kakko will both be rangers until their 24-25 imo.
They are the teams 2 highest draft picks in the last 100 years.

Not going to say they aren't of interest to Dallas, but not for prospect. The additions to d-prospect pool will come from UFA trades.

 

[Johno]

Johnston isn’t going anywhere but a trade involving Bourque for Lundkvist isn’t off the wall. Stars are in need of another young defenseman (even with Harley) heading forward. Of course this wouldn’t be a move to look at until the offseason.

I'm not saying the vacuum value is too far off. But Dallas definitely shouldn't be giving away one of them. Dallas has enough UFAs to trade away to get defensive prospects, if they feel like they need to add to the pool.

 

[jonlin]

They'd have to be humongous pieces if they needed Pavelski at 50%. A conservative estimate puts them at 30M total space.. who are these 1-2 pieces they're adding for 25M+?

I dont know what you are referring too, but Rangers doesnt have 30M space atm.

Buyouts 5,4M

Forwards 42M

Defense 17M

Goalies 8M

Thats Roughly 72M without LTIR or IR. I didnt know Rangers had a cap of over 100M?

 

[pld459666]

I dont know what you are referring too, but Rangers doesnt have 30M space atm.

Buyouts 5,4M

Forwards 42M

Defense 17M

Goalies 8M

Thats Roughly 72M without LTIR or IR. I didnt know Rangers had a cap of over 100M?

I even gave you a link man, are you that lazy or are you that obtuse?

You clearly just don't know what you are talking about and are not only willfully ignorant but also arrogant about it

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@jonlin SERIOUSLY.....DO YOU NOT READ???

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

@jonlin SERIOUSLY.....DO YOU NOT READ???

Its like talking to a brick wall.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I even gave you a link man, are you that lazy or are you that obtuse?

You clearly just don't know what you are talking about and are not only willfully ignorant but also arrogant about it

Here is a screenshot and I added a big red circle and some arrows

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Do you mean the circled part with all of the arrows?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Looks like Smith may not be a cap casualty for VGK. With Dallas I would start with some light foreplay in the form of Radulov and Sekera, build some anticipation, then ram it home in the Hintz in the off-season.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

It has all the value in the world - it means Rangers could add 1-2 more pieces for playoffs.

You should watch Moneyball, true story based on Michael Lewis’ book, good acting, etc. but for you it’ll provide an idea of how professional team management works while enjoying a nice film

 

[TGWL]

Tell me, what is the correct price for a player of Pavelski`s caliber, at 50%, from a team that wants to contend? Do you expect a player of his pedigree to go for a pick or pick+prospect? After the prices beeing handed out for say Foligno etc. at deadlines, I`d bet Pavelski will fetch a ton. And even Kakko was a 2OA - he hasnt played like such.

Rangers don't need 50% retention this year. So let's not try and make this value even more by sneaking in something we don't need just to bump up the pieces coming back.

You don't need to have an expert understanding of the cap but if posters are sending you links or sources, you should take a look and try to understand it before just adding numbers and making inaccurate cap space numbers. Current space and deadline space changes the outcome of your cap accumulated player cap when added up.

Kakko is a bust. Kakko hasn't shown anything yet. Yeah, we know he hasn't broken out or developed in a way we're excited about. But the same reason you want him in the trade is the same reason us NYR fans don't want to move him for a rental we can't extended. You're hoping he's a change of scenery player. You're hoping he finds success and you land a home run. You're hoping in 1-2 years it worked in your favor. (And I don't really mean you specifically. I mean fans in general)

 

[mm11]

Rangers window is just opening. They dont need to go all in as they arent just a Pavelski away from a cup contender.

no guarantees, panarin getting older, Zibby getting older, kreider getting older, can Igor post the same numbers year after year, heck can Foxy withhold the physical onslaught? blueshirts have a legit chance this year, like someone said, who is better Pavelski or Kakko? The rangers always get their free agents and have a more than real chance of signing Pavelski anyway. been watching NHL since 1978, strike when the iron is hot, especially when you have a declining asset in Kakko

 

[Bigshow747]

I'll admit I haven't read through all this but no way this happens. Dallas is more likely to get Kravstov and a 1st for Pavelski at 50% retained.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

no guarantees, panarin getting older, Zibby getting older, kreider getting older, can Igor post the same numbers year after year, heck can Foxy withhold the physical onslaught? blueshirts have a legit chance this year, like someone said, who is better Pavelski or Kakko? The rangers always get their free agents and have a more than real chance of signing Pavelski anyway. been watching NHL since 1978, strike when the iron is hot, especially when you have a declining asset in Kakko

Why would they trade Kakko when his value is at his lowest? Poor asset management. Pavelski isnt returning a top prospect at age 39 as a pure rental.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I'll admit I haven't read through all this but no way this happens. Dallas is more likely to get Kravstov and a 1st for Pavelski at 50% retained.

I dont know how many times we have to beat this dead horse but the Rangers do not need retention this year. Therefore it adds no value for them.

 

[mm11]

Why would they trade Kakko when his value is at his lowest? Poor asset management. Pavelski isnt returning a top prospect at age 39 as a pure rental.

understand, I would think some guys on the team would rather win a cup than participate. Pavelski is a great playoff warrior, Kakko's value could plummet more once he signs his next contract. Like I said, no guarantees. As always, time is the great equalizer. Should be interesting if Drury wants to keep a more offenive Jan Erixson