Value of: Nylander

[TS Quint]

How do you build a team of matthews Tavares marner and nylander are 11+ lol

It's how they have done it. It's how they will continue. They didn't take a step back on Matthews contract. They have their big core 4 contracts. They will live and die by it.

So anything under 12 million sounds like a bargain?

He's not taking a bargain. None of the big 4 contracts have or will.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

It's how they have done it. It's how they will continue. They didn't take a step back on Matthews contract. They have their big core 4 contracts. They will live and die by it.


He's not taking a bargain. None of the big 4 contracts have or will.

Except him. He is on a bargain right now.

Is anything under 12 million a bargain though?

 

[Byron Bitz]

What's your best offer for Nylander?

With a 10 x 8 extension in place I would offer an unprotected 1st, Jared McCann, Ryker Evans and Jagger Firkus

 

[Legion34]

It's how they have done it. It's how they will continue. They didn't take a step back on Matthews contract. They have their big core 4 contracts. They will live and die by it.


He's not taking a bargain. None of the big 4 contracts have or will.

Tavares turned down a 91 million dollar deal from SJ and an 88 million deal from NYI

 

[TS Quint]

Except him. He is on a bargain right now.

Is anything under 12 million a bargain though?

You don't get bargains in hindsight. He took less years and more money than his comparables when he signed the contract. He took Dubas to the cleaners and set the tone for the Marner and Matthews negotiations.

 

[notbias]

Let's say Nylander only gets 10.

That's 24 mill left for the Leafs to signed.

5 forwards, but only 1 is needed for the top 6.

4 defenseman.(maybe 3 with Timmins) including 2 top 4 dmen.

1 goalie.

Of course that's no extras.

9 players at an average of 2.5 per.

That isn't the worst decision, but it's not really a good one.

Next season will be tough for the Leafs if that's their approach.

I think the cap situation is way overblown.

Robertson should be cheap, Liljegren should be relatively cheap, Cowan may play, Holmberg should be playing, Minten may play, I think Rifai takes over 3LD, if they want McMann back he is likely cheap, and maybe Brodie comes back at around the same price.

Nylander @ 10 million
Samsanov @ 6 million
Brodie @ 5 million
Robertson @ 4 million
Liljegren @ 4 million
Robertson @ 4 million
McMann @ 2 million

How much worse is this team? They are basically the same.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Cowan - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Minten - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Rifai - Timmins

Samsanov
Woll

I think every player I signed is overpaid and they are still 1 million under the cap.

 

[TS Quint]

I think the cap situation is way overblown.

Robertson should be cheap, Liljegren should be relatively cheap, Cowan may play, Holmberg should be playing, Minten may play, I think Rifai takes over 3LD, if they want McMann back he is likely cheap, and maybe Brodie comes back at around the same price.

Nylander @ 10 million
Samsanov @ 6 million
Brodie @ 5 million
Robertson @ 4 million
Liljegren @ 4 million
Robertson @ 4 million
McMann @ 2 million

How much worse is this team? They are basically the same.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Cowan - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Minten - Jarnkrok
Holmberg - Kampf - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Rifai - Timmins

Samsanov
Woll

I think every player I signed is overpaid and they are still 1 million under the cap.

Robertson and Timmy at $4m? Wow, that's horrible. Neither one is worth $2m.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

You don't get bargains in hindsight. He took less years and more money than his comparables when he signed the contract. He took Dubas to the cleaners and set the tone for the Marner and Matthews negotiations.

It's not hindsight, hes literally on the contract right now.

 

[notbias]

Robertson and Timmy at $4m? Wow, that's horrible. Neither one is worth $2m.

If you were able to read a little more, I gave examples of overpaying every single player and they still had leftover cap... the cap situation is way overblown.

 

[Sundinisagod]

You don't get bargains in hindsight. He took less years and more money than his comparables when he signed the contract. He took Dubas to the cleaners and set the tone for the Marner and Matthews negotiations.

6.96 x 6 years is taking Dubas to the cleaners??

 

[TS Quint]

It's not hindsight, hes literally on the contract right now.

It is hindsight because when they signed the contract it was far more than what his compareables got paid AND he got less term.

Do all the gymnastics you want, that's where the rubber meets the road.

6.96 x 6 years is taking Dubas to the cleaners??

What are you not understanding? Nylander is going to do it again this year.

 

[BlueSeal]

So you give Ottawa a missing piece for... oh wait, this is Toronto. Nevermind.

Wait. No. Y'all are out of your damn minds if you let Nylander go, let alone trade him.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

It is hindsight because when they signed the contract it was far more than what his compareables got paid AND he got less term.

Do all the gymnastics you want, that's where the rubber meets the road.

Who were the comparables?

 

[Cheddarcheese]

Nylander will not take a discount. His dad sat out twice. and im pretty sure his dad is co agent

 

[Voodoo Child]

Nylander @ 10 million
Samsanov @ 6 million
Brodie @ 5 million
Robertson @ 4 million
Liljegren @ 4 million
Robertson @ 4 million
McMann @ 2 million

Samsonov is gonna have to go supernova to get 6, and arbitration tends to leave a bad taste in guy's mouths.

Brodie will be 34, has been in decline for about a year and that decline is becoming more noticeable. It was okay to not score when you were a good shutdown D but lapses and hemming in are becoming problems. He can take 2x3.5 or find his 5 elsewhere.

Robertson likewise has to explode for 60+ points for 4, he’s looking like a bridge guy. Liljegren can get 4 if he takes eight.

McMann 1.5 is better.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Nylander will not take a discount. His dad sat out twice. and im pretty sure his dad is co agent

Its not even about Nylander being greedy either , why would he want to make less than John or Mitch?

Also its unfair to Nylander to compare him to his dad who changed teams like 6 times , kids been in the same place for like 8 years

 

[Cheddarcheese]

hes been an rfa NO RFA ANYMORE TO SAVE THE LEAFS LOL

 

[Sundinisagod]

It is hindsight because when they signed the contract it was far more than what his compareables got paid AND he got less term.

Do all the gymnastics you want, that's where the rubber meets the road.


What are you not understanding? Nylander is going to do it again this year.

Yeah i dont understand what you're on about. Nylander's comparables at the time were Ehlers and Larkin, he got a bit more but he was considered a little better than them, similar terms. What comparables are you going by?

 

[TS Quint]

Yeah i dont understand what you're on about. Nylander's comparables at the time were Ehlers and Larkin, he got a bit more but he was considered a little better than them, similar terms. What comparables are you going by?

You could say those are good compareables, but only the most die hard Leafs fan would say he was better. Yet he got more money and less term.

 

[Sundinisagod]

You could say those are good compareables, but only the most die hard Leafs fan would say he was better. Yet he got more money and less term.

You can make unsubstantiated claims, or we could look at the numbers instead.

Ehlers at time of signing:

6m x 7 years - 8% of cap - 0. 62ppg

Larkin at time of signing:

6.1m x 5 years - 7.67% of cap - 0.58ppg

Nylander at time of signing:

6.96m x 6 years - 8.76% of cap - 0.73ppg


So no, it’s not only the die hard Leafs fans who will tell you Nylander was better. Also his term is right there in the middle of those guys. His contract looks just about right using those 2 closest comparables at the time.

 

[The90]

You can make unsubstantiated claims, or we could look at the numbers instead.

Ehlers at time of signing:

6m x 7 years - 8% of cap - 0. 62ppg

Larkin at time of signing:

6.1m x 5 years - 7.67% of cap - 0.58ppg

Nylander at time of signing:

6.96m x 6 years - 8.76% of cap - 0.73ppg


So no, it’s not only the die hard Leafs fans who will tell you Nylander was better. Also his term is right there in the middle of those guys. His contract looks just about right using those 2 closest comparables at the time.

Lol classic. Facts are awesome.

 

[JKG33]

Robertson and Timmy at $4m? Wow, that's horrible. Neither one is worth $2m.

Samsonov at $6m is the real crime. He's a $2m goalie. But that dude loves to see these shitty players overpaid so it makes sense.

 

[34]

Nylander will not take a discount. His dad sat out twice. and im pretty sure his dad is co agent

I think this sums it up. It does not matter where Willy signs, that contract starts at $10M + a season.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Laine 2mil retained for Nylander?

 

[BlueSeal]

You can make unsubstantiated claims, or we could look at the numbers instead.

Ehlers at time of signing:

6m x 7 years - 8% of cap - 0. 62ppg

Larkin at time of signing:

6.1m x 5 years - 7.67% of cap - 0.58ppg

Nylander at time of signing:

6.96m x 6 years - 8.76% of cap - 0.73ppg


So no, it’s not only the die hard Leafs fans who will tell you Nylander was better. Also his term is right there in the middle of those guys. His contract looks just about right using those 2 closest comparables at the time.

Look at all these other players you can trade to strengthen the blueline and it would actually make the team BETTER.