Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[93gilmour93]

Nothing wrong with dreaming...

Not at all. But you should wake up and see how good the leafs are. Your missing a great show

 

[93gilmour93]

Maybe. Do you know when the last time a player with a >10M dollar player on it won a playoff series? And the leafs might have 3!

When has a team had 3 players over 10 million on the same team ever? Can't really make a comparison if it's going to be the first time.

 

[Weezeric]

When has a team had 3 players over 10 million on the same team ever? Can't really make a comparison if it's going to be the first time.

Oh, for sure. I just can’t rememeber a team ever winning a playoff round with even one 10M dollar player on it. The hawks haven’t won a round since their big deals kicked in, nor McDavid.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Not at all. But you should wake up and see how good the leafs are. Your missing a great show

Did I say anything about them not being good ?

But a lot of good teams have missed out on the ultimate goal.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Oh I see,so the answer is to shot yourself in the foot for this year, alienate the player, and most importantly go through the same process in one year (when Nylander will negociate for more UFA years and likely ask for a higher salary). And at the same time try to convince everyone that this plan is brilliant.

Better to shoot yourself in the foot than the head. He can ask whatever he wants next year. I assure you the offer won't go up.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

top team don't waste valuable assets for nothing...

Did Tampa cave the moment Drouin made waves or wait until it worked for them?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

They're going to be elite for years to come just like it wouldn't be any problem to sign Nylander. You think that, and it's a reasonable thought but it's a thought and a prediction until it is or isn't reality.

No one other than fans said signing them would be easy.

 

[garyturner3]

Oh, for sure. I just can’t rememeber a team ever winning a playoff round with even one 10M dollar player on it. The hawks haven’t won a round since their big deals kicked in, nor McDavid.

That's because a lot of the hawks core players regressed significantly. Not because of the 10M salaries. 10M salaries are a new thing in the NHL so it's not fair to compare them to teams even 5-6 years ago. Salaries, and the salary cap, will continue to rise and pretty soon there's not going to be any teams winning in the playoffs without 10M players in their lineup. That's inevitable.

 

[Dr Pepper]

So Babcock really thinks Nylander will be a "career Leaf"?

Kid's got a lot of growing up to do in the next two days or that's not going to happen.

 

[Raging Bull]

It's really insane we are on page 1098 of this and people still don't get inflation.

 

[Randy Randerson]

So Babcock really thinks Nylander will be a "career Leaf"?

Kid's got a lot of growing up to do in the next two days or that's not going to happen.

I don't think that's a fair assessment, if it weren't for this situation there really hasn't been anything negative reported about Nylander's behaviour as a team mate. It might be clear that he sees this as his career and values making the best income at the top of the priority list, but other than that is there really a knock against him?

 

[VoteForTavares]

Maybe. Do you know when the last time a player with a >10M dollar player on it won a playoff series? And the leafs might have 3!

You realize that before this season there were only 5 players on 4 teams in the entire NHL with players making $10M/season. Add to that the fact the with a rising cap and additional superstar players there will be more and more of these guys making that much+, and their respective teams will be winning playoff series. To think that this is a detriment is a little ridiculous.

 

[spockBokk]

Shrinking trade market for Nylander...ruh roh...:



(I doubt he gets traded though...)

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Shrinking trade market for Nylander...ruh roh...:



(I doubt he gets traded though...)

Just wait until later when it opens up to everyone.

 

[NoName]

It doesn't really matter which side is hurt "more" by him sitting out, it's enough that it's the worst option available to both sides. That should guarantee that it doesn't happen, barring one or both parties feeling petty and punitive. Whatever bad feelings there are, both sides want to avoid that.

I'll put it another way: the 3 years for $5.5m bridge deal seems like a likely compromise to me. Do you think there's any way the Leafs would rather have Nylander sit the year out than offer him that contract? Do you think there's any way Nylander would rather sit out than accept that contract?

If course who is hut more if no deal happens matters; it determines who has more leverage here, as is the case in any negotiation. If one side can walk away from the table with a much lesser cost to themselves then the other party then that gives them a substantial bargaining advantage.

Again as said, Nylander sitting our isn’t the works possible deal: a severe overpayment or trading a controlled asset for pennies on the dollar are both worse for the team then letting him sit for a year.

If a 3x5.5 million deal were on the table right now I sincerely doubt that Dubas would turn it down since said deal would both help keep the team’s AAV down so they could afford Marner and Matthews and also would keep Nylander a valuable trade asset; a bridge deal is the next best thing for the Leafs after a reasonable AAV long-term deal and given the current situation I really can’t see Toronto being unwilling to do such a deal.
However all the reports I have read are that Nylander doesn’t want to sign a short term deal. He wants long term, $8 million+ and I haven’t seen any reports saying he has budged on that at any time recently. If the choice for the team comes down to being between giving him that term and that AAV he is demanding and letting him sit for the season then the beat option is letting him sit, because giving him that terrible contract both destroys his trade value and means that next spring the Leafs face the prospect of letting a substantially better player (likely Marner) leave because they cannot afford him.

 

[Matt24]

Shrinking trade market for Nylander...ruh roh...:



(I doubt he gets traded though...)

Yeah, there’s no trade happening. I never bought it as a viable option. Leafs aren’t going to make a pressure deal and get fleeced. This just accentuates my belief. He’s either sitting out the season of signing.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I don't think that's a fair assessment, if it weren't for this situation there really hasn't been anything negative reported about Nylander's behaviour as a team mate. It might be clear that he sees this as his career and values making the best income at the top of the priority list, but other than that is there really a knock against him?

You're right. Prior to this six-month stretch of unwillingness to cooperate with the team that drafted him, and unwillingness to join his teammates on a winning team, there were no red flags for Nylander.

Funny how that works, eh?

 

[NoName]

Shrinking trade market for Nylander...ruh roh...:



(I doubt he gets traded though...)

At one point soon (if not already) the Leafs will just gove him their final offer and say take it or leave it. No team is coming to offersheet him and at this point a trade seems less likely. It is up to Nylander to decide what happens now.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Shrinking trade market for Nylander...ruh roh...:

(I doubt he gets traded though...)

that would mean that the market for those teams opens back up if there's a future signing, or that the Leafs would have to take some short term cap back to make a deal work

I would think that sort of takes the pressure off the Leafs to do something by Saturday if signing him doesn't work out knowing that the market would expand if they sign him in the summer instead

You're right. Prior to this six-month stretch of unwillingness to cooperate with the team that drafted him, and unwillingness to join his teammates on a winning team, there were no red flags for Nylander.

Funny how that works, eh?

he obviously values money, I don't think that should be used to paint his entire character. It also becomes a non-issue once he's signed for the duration of that contract right?

don't get me wrong, I wish he had taken the Ehlers deal in June, but it's really one issue that gets put to bed as soon as a deal is done

 

[Matt24]

Leafs biggest fumble here was not being prescient about Marner tearing it up with Tavares and overpaying him in the summer to avoid him doing what he’s doing now and skyrocketing his value.

 

[NoName]

You're right. Prior to this six-month stretch of unwillingness to cooperate with the team that drafted him, and unwillingness to join his teammates on a winning team, there were no red flags for Nylander.

Funny how that works, eh?

C’mon you can’t blame a guy for playing hard-ball for a contract. I think at this point Nylander might regret pushing this hard: he may be having to suffer through a “sunk cost” fallacy, where he has just sat out a third of the season and already lost a good chunk of money just to see the Leafs essentially give him the same offer as this summer or a bridge deal that he sees as unpalatable.

Regardless reports are he is a good, well liked team-mate. This isn’t a Yashin style situation where the contract dispute is tied to the guy just being an arrogant jerk in general, this is a business dispute pure and sumple. Both Nylander and the team just eant to get the best deal possible and thus have competing interests.

 

[hizzoner]

So Babcock really thinks Nylander will be a "career Leaf"?

Kid's got a lot of growing up to do in the next two days or that's not going to happen.

Babcock is spewing the Leaf line. Unless Nylander agrees to be paid as a third line winger the Leafs will trade him as soon as they get something they want. Babcock knows this. So too Gardiner will be gone and Leafs want a cheap reliable top 4 dman to replace Gardiner and Nylander is the quid pro quo. Is there really any doubt?

 

[Joel Ward]

Leafs biggest fumble here was not being prescient about Marner tearing it up with Tavares and overpaying him in the summer to avoid him doing what he’s doing now and skyrocketing his value.

According to reports last spring, the Marner camp was already using Eichels deal as a comp

 

[93gilmour93]

It's really insane we are on page 1098 of this and people still don't get inflation.

Hahaha

 

[nturn06]

Whats being wasted? Is Nylander dying? I'm pretty sure he still wants to play hockey in the NHL.

If Nylander sits out this year the Leafs are wasting two things:

• They have a valuable asset sitting out through the playoffs, when it really matters... I wonder if the Leafs lose in the first or second round without Nylander how happy with you guys be?
• Second and most importantly: they waste the cheapest year in Nylander long term deal. Next year they will probably be dancing the same dance again, but with a higher average salary... The irony is that even if the Leafs overpay byy 2-300 this year, the average salary would be lower than a fair deal negociated next year...