Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[Rants Mulliniks]

It's really insane we are on page 1098 of this and people still don't get inflation.

For those struggling with the concept, here's what a $10 M under today's cap was worth the last three seasons as a percentage of the cap. Please note that each year, the Cup champ had a player exceeding today's $10 M equivalency:

9.43 17-18 Was Ovechkin $9.54
9.18 16-17 Pit Malkin $9.5
8.98 15-16 Pit Malkin $9.5

 

[QJL]

According to reports last spring, the Marner camp was already using Eichels deal as a comp

Marner could easily play center, but doesn’t need to on the Leafs. He will expect to compensated as much as a top center where most other teams would deploy him. Eichel is a very fair comparable.

 

[nturn06]

Did Tampa cave the moment Drouin made waves or wait until it worked for them?

Nah, they let him sit out the entire season... Oh wait...

 

[Matt24]

Marner could easily play center, but doesn’t need to on the Leafs. He will expect to compensated as much as a top center where most other teams would deploy him. Eichel is a very fair comparable.

Well, now it might be. Definitely wasn’t in the Summer, which should make Leafs fans worried where it’s going to be at year’s end if he puts up 90+ points and is a/the key cog in a playoff run.

 

[MMC]

Would the Leafs be willing to take Kesler in a Nylander trade if we both added extra assets to compensate, and he was willing to go to the LTIR and essentially retire?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

If Nylander sits out this year the Leafs are wasting two things:

• They have a valuable asset sitting out through the playoffs, when it really matters... I wonder if the Leafs lose in the first or second round without Nylander how happy with you guys be?

Don't care. Only non-Leaf fans view the season as "Cup or bust". We (Most I have heard) want long term competitive.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Nah, they let him sit out the entire season... Oh wait...

Did they trade him before an artificial deadline or force him to do what he was told and wait until the offseason?

Waaaiiitttiiinnnngggggg..........

 

[Dustin]

Non Leafs fans: "Leafs aren't favourites to win the cup with that defence, maybe win a round before thinking you can win"

Also Non Leafs fans: "Better get something in return for Nylander because it's cup or bust for the Leafs this year."

 

[780il]

I'll give you Nurse + Benning + Kassian for a Willy that signs with us.

 

[Fogelhund]

Would the Leafs be willing to take Kesler in a Nylander trade if we both added extra assets to compensate, and he was willing to go to the LTIR and essentially retire?

I'm not sure how that would work for us, with the offseason cap, and requirement that you are compliant on day one of the season. But let's assume for a minute, that it was possible... What exactly would you be sending us of value, that makes a deal worthwhile?

 

[The Mentalist]

Would the Leafs be willing to take Kesler in a Nylander trade if we both added extra assets to compensate, and he was willing to go to the LTIR and essentially retire?

There would have to be significant ADD by Anaheim for Toronto to consider such a trade.

 

[Leaf Fans]

If Nylander sits out this year the Leafs are wasting two things:

• They have a valuable asset sitting out through the playoffs, when it really matters... I wonder if the Leafs lose in the first or second round without Nylander how happy with you guys be?
• Second and most importantly: they waste the cheapest year in Nylander long term deal. Next year they will probably be dancing the same dance again, but with a higher average salary... The irony is that even if the Leafs overpay byy 2-300 this year, the average salary would be lower than a fair deal negociated next year...

This is all based on Nylander choosing to sit out the year. It is the only thing he has control of.
"They have a valuable asset sitting out through the playoffs, when it really matters... I wonder if the Leafs lose in the first or second round without Nylander how happy with you guys be?"

Strange, according to this site Nylander disappears in the playoffs. Leafs fans wouldn't be happy to lose in the 1st or second round with or without Nylander.


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econd and most importantly: they waste the cheapest year in Nylander long term deal. Next year they will probably be dancing the same dance again, but with a higher average salary... The irony is that even if the Leafs overpay byy 2-300 this year, the average salary would be lower than a fair deal negociated next year..."

Huh? Isn't his value dropping everyday? Anyway, the clock stops on Nylander December 1st at 5pm est. He will gain no more negotiating power.

 

[nturn06]

Don't care. Only non-Leaf fans view the season as "Cup or bust". We (Most I have heard) want long term competitive.

And again, do you think that Nylander will sign for less money next season, when he will negociate for less RFA and more UFA years? Add to that the inflation and you get a good picture.

If you sign him next year, his deal will carry a higher average salary than a deal signed this year, how would this help the TML long term.

Same way, next year Nylander will be worth less than this year.

The best thing the TML can do is sign or trade him until the signing window closes.

 

[Joel Ward]

Marner could easily play center, but doesn’t need to on the Leafs. He will expect to compensated as much as a top center where most other teams would deploy him. Eichel is a very fair comparable.

Oh don't get me wrong - I'm not saying he isn't worth it.

 

[NoName]

I'll give you Nurse + Benning + Kassian for a Willy that signs with us.

Why would Toronto want either Benning or Kassian? Nurse has value, not enough to get Nylander though. Those other two guys really don’t; 4th liners and busts are not generally sought after. You need another quality add to Nurse to get Nylander.

 

[MMC]

I'm not sure how that would work for us, with the offseason cap, and requirement that you are compliant on day one of the season. But let's assume for a minute, that it was possible... What exactly would you be sending us of value, that makes a deal worthwhile?

Damn, forgot all about that rule. Never mind.

 

[nturn06]

Huh? Isn't his value dropping everyday? Anyway, the clock stops on Nylander December 1st at 5pm est. He will gain no more negotiating power.

Nope, his trade value is dropping probably, but his salary demand on a 4/3 (meaning 4RFA/3UFA seasons) will be higher than on a 5/2 deal. You basically take what you think it is fair salary for each of the next 7 seasons, drop the lower number and add one year at the higher end.

I can run the numbers for you...

 

[Leaf Fans]

Nah, they let him sit out the entire season... Oh wait...

No they didn't, but they did did wait untill he made the decision to report to Syracuse. They refused to trade him at the deadline and left him twisting until he made a decision for his hockey career. There was no deadline, but the Lighting were prepared to wait. They have good management down in Tampa.

 

[Liferleafer]

Full article on the Score app...can't upload from phone.

Basically says Leafs still intent on signing him...but have contacted interested teams to see what specifically they would offer in trade.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Nope, his trade value is dropping probably, but his salary demand on a 4/3 (meaning 4RFA/3UFA seasons) will be higher than on a 5/2 deal. You basically take what you think it is fair salary for each of the next 7 seasons, drop the lower number and add one year at the higher end.

I can run the numbers for you...

You can try? I may not agree.

 

[NoName]

And again, do you think that Nylander will sign for less money next season, when he will negociate for less RFA and more UFA years? Add to that the inflation and you get a good picture.

If you sign him next year, his deal will carry a higher average salary than a deal signed this year, how would this help the TML long term.

Same way, next year Nylander will be worth less than this year.

The best thing the TML can do is sign or trade him until the signing window closes.

Again, why would the Leafs offer him a better deal this mext offseason? His contract status doesn’t change vis a vis the Leafs rights to him in a meaningful way and his value is less since he has just sat out a full season. Is he really going to sit out another year of his prime after that? Will anyone be willing to offer $8.5 million to a Nylander who sits out teo full seasons of his prime? My guess is still that he signs a bridge deal in the next day, but if he doesn’t then fine; Leafs sit on him and listen to offers throughout the remainder of the season and if they don’t trade him start it again next season, this time with even more leverage to apply to him (as now both Matthews and Marner will be signed and Nylanders contract demands will be weaker because he missed a full season of hockey in his prime).

Look, I get there are a lot of posters here who aren’t fans of Toronto and would like to see the team make a crappy move here, but I don’t think you will be seeing the kind of future damaging panic move that some are expecting (hoping for) here.

Other GMs are welcome to offer-sheet Nylander the contract he wants, I am sure the Leafs would let him walk if someone offered him the Draisaitl money he wants, and if that really is his line in the sand, given the better players in Toronto who we need the money to sign I would welcome the bundle of compensation picks, which are again better value then most if the trades that have been on this thread.

 

[Jayan]

Would leafs fans be ok if Willy didnt sign and you got a 1st a 2nd and a b prospect for him?

 

[Nizdizzle]

Would leafs fans be ok if Willy didnt sign and you got a 1st a 2nd and a b prospect for him?

I speak on behalf of all Leaf fans when I say we would not be okay with that.

 

[PaulGG]

Seems like coach is kissing his but in the press. May be a lower offer and he is trying to polish that turd.

 

[Jayan]

I speak on behalf of all Leaf fans when I say we would not be okay with that.

So no picks, no prospects, you just want what really?