Oh I see,so the answer is to shot yourself in the foot for this year, alienate the player, and most importantly go through the same process in one year (when Nylander will negociate for more UFA years and likely ask for a higher salary). And at the same time try to convince everyone that this plan is brilliant.
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Oh I see,so the answer is to shot yourself in the foot for this year, alienate the player, and most importantly go through the same process in one year (when Nylander will negociate for more UFA years and likely ask for a higher salary). And at the same time try to convince everyone that this plan is brilliant.
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He did sign before training camp and looks damn good in blue
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Yeah, that's a fair and logical stance. I was mostly addressing the posts saying it's not a problem if he sits out because the team is playing well. It's a bigger problem because they're playing so well imo combined with their contract situation next year.
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Whats being wasted? Is Nylander dying? I'm pretty sure he still wants to play hockey in the NHL.
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Pesce is a much much much better player than Tanev, though.
Tanev is absolute trash this year... and in the last few years comes in as a Zaitsev-tier guy. Pesce is a top-4 with top pairing potential.
What would that be ?
It's surely not winning the Cup as it is won every year (unless there is a lock-out or a strike).
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I haven't been following Tanev this year but I see nothing from watching Pesce that tells me he'll be as good as prime Tanev.
And the injuries are becoming almost as common for him as Tanev.
Now compare acquisitions costs and Pesce is an easy no-go.
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They're still playing? Tied for first in the NHL with Matthews being injured for over a month, and with cap space to add on the deadline?
If the Leafs win a cup with Nylander holding out, is this year being wasted?
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This is the last year of their ELCs. Next year the Leafs will have to pay them both huge raises and sign a few d-men. The time to win is now. They're all on fire. They have everyone under the cap to make just ridiculous depth on offense.
I'm sure people think they'll just re-sign everyone and the roster will never take a step back, but that's not guaranteed at all. They have everyone now. They're playing great now. The time to win is now. Letting a huge asset sit out and do nothing for the rest of this year is a huge, huge mistake.
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Of course not. Winning the cup is the goal. Do you think they have better odds with an asset like Nylander sitting at home or with him playing or a return for him playing?
Do you think they'll ice a better roster next year with Matthews and Marner both making about ten times what they make now?
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We need a tough guy to protect our star players if we are going to go deep I think. Wayne Simmonds would look great in a Leaf uniform!
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Then people like you will pretend Nylander is Gretzky and they would have won the cup with him. Sure, it may be better to have him this year than not, but not at the cost of crippling the team in the future. If he was willing to accept a reasonable 1 year offer, then they could do that. If he's hellbent on getting a long-term contract, then let him sit. The Leafs with Tavares this year are already a better team than with Nylander last year.
Also, the cap space will give them room to add significantly on the deadline. They can even use Nylander as trade bait should they choose to at the deadline.
It depends on what they do with the cap space. If Nylander sitting means they're adding Panarin and a top 4D at the deadline, are the odds this year better or worse?
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If willy sits the year they have more space to bring in players at the TDL to bulk up for the playoffs. As for going forward with or without Nylander this team is going to be elite for years to come. Matthews and Marner making big money won't change that because the leafs will still have the core that makes them elite for the most part
Maybe. Do you know when the last time a player with a >10M dollar player on it won a playoff series? And the leafs might have 3!
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The Leafs have $17mil in capspace, and can go up another $5.3 should they put Horton on LTIR. That's before walking away from UFAs like Hainsey ($3 mil) and/or Gardiner and his $4 mil in favor of ELCs. (Sandin and/or Liljegren should be Leafs next year)
Moving lower tier assets isn't too difficult. I'm not going to lose much sleep over a Connor Brown being moved out for a little extra money.
And then the next year they gain another $6.3 when Marleau comes off the books. So maybe tight next year - probably near the ceiling - but not much to worry about beyond that. Especially if the cap increases like its generally projected to.
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They're going to be elite for years to come just like it wouldn't be any problem to sign Nylander. You think that, and it's a reasonable thought but it's a thought and a prediction until it is or isn't reality.
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