Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

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I think they have no interest in there being unused money, but I'm sure they'd be happier making more themselves than giving it all to the stars who get more perquisites.

When is this CBA up?

Bet there are some teams that wouldn't mind a doover.
I am going to use some names just to show a sample of what an ex NHLPA guy said but these names were not the real guys as I don't know the real names but you will get the idea.

Kerfoot,Accardi and Lafferty are at a meeting,they are pounding the table saying next CBA needs to be fixed,we are getting screwed.

McD,Matthews and Mackinnon walk in and say,We are the stars,we are the face of the NHL,we are the engines that make the teams go and we are what fans pay to see,we want more.

Which players do you think the NHLPA are going to make happy/
 
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If these guys had the balls on the ice that they have when it comes to contract negotiations, we'd have 3 or 4 cups under Dubas. They have zero shame.
That's the Agents, the players have little involvement in the negotiation.
 
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Assuming a minimum of 13M for #34, and full NMC's for 91 and 16, Nylander at anything much over $8.5 is a luxury the Leafs cannot afford. Most logical posters realize that the "Core 4" salary structure doesn't work.

It's past time to change the plan but since the last GM refused to act sooner, now there's only one guy that can be moved.

I'm sorry to see him go, but it has to be done.
 
Assuming a minimum of 13M for #34, and full NMC's for 91 and 16, Nylander at anything much over $8.5 is a luxury the Leafs cannot afford. Most logical posters realize that the "Core 4" salary structure doesn't work.

It's past time to change the plan but since the last GM refused to act sooner, now there's only one guy that can be moved.

I'm sorry to see him go, but it has to be done.
Are you suggesting that the both Dubas and Treliving are illogical when compared to the HF posters?
 
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To be fair one has to really ask how much is Marner worth more than Nylander in terms of AAV

What has been the case?
Marner 11 AAV and Nylander 7 AAV; Question: Is Marner really worth 4 AAV more than Nylander?

At max I'd put Marner at 2M AAV more than Nylander

So hypothetically if Nylander signs for say 9M, there is no way Marner's next contract should exceed 11 AAV which he is already making IMO


Marner is significantly overpaid for a contract coming out of RFA, and IMO Willy is within his right to question this; that said, we are stuck with Marner's contract so the new GM must to what is in the best interest of the team. It sucks for Willy and the Leafs fans IMO; but our hands are tied due to massive overpayments on RFA contracts by previous GM.
Yeah, the Marner contract is another thing that doesn’t help. I said it at the time, Nylander Marner Matthews should have come in at 7, 9 and 11 million respectively.

It is too bad and I don’t how much Nylander can be given realistically but it can’t be double digits. If the Matthews contract gets done sooner rather than later maybe that will offer some clarity.
 
I am going to use some names just to show a sample of what an ex NHLPA guy said but these names were not the real guys as I don't know the real names but you will get the idea.

Kerfoot,Accardi and Lafferty are at a meeting,they are pounding the table saying next CBA needs to be fixed,we are getting screwed.

McD,Matthews and Mackinnon walk in and say,We are the stars,we are the face of the NHL,we are the engines that make the teams go and we are what fans pay to see,we want more.

Which players do you think the NHLPA are going to make happy/

The majority of the players and the 40 or so stars will always get their money.
 
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Would the KHL pay Willy, Lewis and Michael $11M ...I mean why limit oneself to the NHL if more money can be made elswhere? Who's the highest paid over there? I think there's no tax either right? It's all about the Hamiltons baby!!
 
I think Matthews signing is basically
Over the last 3 years Matthews averages 1.29 P/GP, over 82 = 105.7
Over the last 3 years Nylander averages 0.97 P/GP, over 82 = 79.5
Over the last 3 years Marner averages 1.27 P/GP, over 82 = 104

Comparatively I'm using these 3 players, they are similar level of players who all recently signed big deals

Over the last 3 years McDavid averages 1.74 P/GP, over 82 = 142.6
Over the last 3 years Pastrnak averages 1.32 P/GP, over 82 = 108
Over the last 3 years Mackinnon averages 1.43 P/GP, over 82 = 117



Pastrnak is making $104166 per point
McDavid is making $88028 per point
Mackinnon is making $107692 per point

Average they are making $99962 per point



Using that average of $ per point, fair value for our 3 core guys based on production, using their peers/competition as the reference point, they should be earning the amount listed below, to provide the same value that their peers do. Now obviously McDavid is an X factor and skews the stats, so I'll do one comparison without McDavid after this one.


Matthews $10.5M
Marner $10.39M
Nylander $7.95M


Pastrnak is making $104166 per point
Mackinnon is making $107692 per point
Timo Meier averages 0.91 P/GP over the last 3 years, over 82 GP = 74.6. Meier is making $117962 per point

Using these 3 players they average $109940 dollars earned per point. That would equate to our guys making,

Matthews $11.5M
Marner $11.4M
Nylander $8.7M


If our core guys want to take team friendly deals while still earning a fair amount, those bolded numbers are the deals they should be signing. Those are perfectly fair and on par with what their peers/competition are making for the exact same amount of production. In a cap world, nobody cares about just your skill, it's production. It's points scored per dollars spent.

I believe in a cap world we should be looking at player valuations in this way. Obviously there are other x factors and intangibles as well, like physicality/hitting/leadership/defensive skill etc, which become very difficult to measure on just a stat sheet. But looking at just points alone, those are very fair numbers.

EDIT: adding to my long ass essay, I'm gonna work on an excel sheet at some point with the entire league at some point. It will give the truest evaluation of a players value, the best bang for your buck. It evens the playing field, you can properly compare something like a 3rd liner to a 2nd liner, you can see how rare a certain level of scorer is, like an 80 point guy, and how many middle of the pack 30-40 point guys there as well.
I'm interseted if you re-do this comparison except use points/60 min. Nylander gets less playing time than Matthews or Marner, doesn't he?
 
Would the KHL pay Willy, Lewis and Michael $11M ...I mean why limit oneself to the NHL if more money can be made elswhere? Who's the highest paid over there? I think there's no tax either right? It's all about the Hamiltons baby!!

Did quick comparison between Florida and Ontario, and IIRC it was about $1mm difference for Tkachuk.

Probably why Stamkos ...
 
What I would like to know is what does Nylander consider Matthews/Marner taking less equal?

Less than they currently make? Or less than everything they can get?

If Willy is like his dad,and I think he is,if Matthews and Marner took discounts that saved the team 10% and Willy was asking for 10 I think he would say,SUCKERS,now I want 12.
 
If Willy is like his dad,and I think he is,if Matthews and Marner took discounts that saved the team 10% and Willy was asking for 10 I think he would say,SUCKERS,now I want 12.
In other words, you just wasted a whole pile of keystrokes here for zero reason...storytelling hour
 
I may be in the minority here, but I completely agree with where Willy and his camp stand on this situation. Why the hell should he take less if they just turn around an hand the bag to Auston. Taking less only makes sense when everyone takes less. Sidney Crosby was quoted with that very same sentiment just a couple years back.

Willy has earned his right to play hard ball IMO. He's shown up almost every year ready to elevate his game in the same capacity as Mitch and Auston. The only difference is that he actually shows up with consistency in April/May where Mitch and Auston are nowhere to be seen.

If I am Will I would be doing the exact same thing. Not because I'd need the extra couple million, but out of principle. I would never sacrifice my earnings for 1 or 2 players to get a raise in place of my own. If they all agreed to do so, to improve the teams chances of winning long term, then I would gladly jump on board. I don't think Willy is unreasonable TBH. In fact, I actually get the suspicion he is the most reasonable of the bunch. The bunch being the core 4.

Ultimately, if Auston were to sign below market value, I am almost certain Willy would do the same. I don't think the same could be said the other way around. Wherein, I don't think if Willy were to sign for less it would do anything to positively impact Auston's negotiations in our favour.

I really hope we can get something done with Willy, but I agree completely with where he is at and I don't blame him 1 bit
 
I am going to use some names just to show a sample of what an ex NHLPA guy said but these names were not the real guys as I don't know the real names but you will get the idea.

Kerfoot,Accardi and Lafferty are at a meeting,they are pounding the table saying next CBA needs to be fixed,we are getting screwed.

McD,Matthews and Mackinnon walk in and say,We are the stars,we are the face of the NHL,we are the engines that make the teams go and we are what fans pay to see,we want more.

Which players do you think the NHLPA are going to make happy/
The group that represents 95% of union members. Not the other 5%.
 
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If Willy is like his dad,and I think he is,if Matthews and Marner took discounts that saved the team 10% and Willy was asking for 10 I think he would say,SUCKERS,now I want 12.

Laugh ...

I think Nylander would give a 15% discount to stay in Toronto. He doesn't like moving.

He's probably the only one who would, we know the Double Digits are all about the money. And Matthews went across the ocean to chase money before being drafted.

Anyone can make up stories.
 
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I think Matthews signing is basically

I'm interseted if you re-do this comparison except use points/60 min. Nylander gets less playing time than Matthews or Marner, doesn't he?
Nah not points per 60 but actual primary points per game based on ice time / how many games it takes to get a primary point and see what they are actually getting paid for production relative to peers
 
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I can't wait to see which team ends up paying Willy 10M. Can he live up to that contract on a team where he's the top offensive player? No more 2nd pairing matchups it's every team's top defensive players every night. That will be tough to score 90 points a season which I think is the minimum that should be expected for a first line forward making 10M.
 
If Willy is like his dad,and I think he is,if Matthews and Marner took discounts that saved the team 10% and Willy was asking for 10 I think he would say,SUCKERS,now I want 12.
If Marner is like his dad, and I think he is ... I'll just let you fill in the rest.
 
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