Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[kb]

It’s a weasel move. If he was legitimate in his intentions he would sign at X rate with the hometown discount baked in and signal to the rest to take a little off the top. This creates nothing.

No, because he saw the others take the $$$ he didn't get. Why should he do it twice?

Matthews and Marner were the weasels come contract time. They need to put up or shut up. Nylander is basically putting it out there that he's willing to do right if others do.

 

[rojac]

So much of what is being discussed is based on media rumours and speculation. And the fans just eat it up. Look at the huge number of pages on these topics. Fans just love arguing about this stuff. So, of course, the media always plays these things up. They’re just us what we seem to want.

 

[Crosscrease14]

Why is that more crazy than Leafs sticking to 8 when Marner and Tavares make 3 million more on their current contracts? And Nylander could easily get more than 8 elsewhere, he would be the star on many teams in this leauge..

He'll make less total $$ on a 7x10m than 8x9M to re-sign. His agent can ask all he wants but BT can't fold on term + AAV + adding the Toronto tax like Dubas did. Not if they want to build a competitive team over the next half decade.

He's also underproduced compared to Marner and isn't a C like Tavares. Marner is an elite Pk'er as well. Not saying his contract is team friendly but he should make more than Willy.

I don't see why 8x8.8-9M isn't good for both sides. It's a couple hundred grand to figure out.

 

[ACC1224]

Going to be an interesting situation to watch with the players having all the power.

With Nylander being the most difficult last time, we shouldn't expect anything different this time. Even more so with him holding some leverage over the team.

I think we can all agree that Thank God Dubas isn't going to be dealing with these 3 again.

 

[Stephen]

No, because he saw the others take the $$$ he didn't get. Why should he do it twice?

Matthews and Marner were the weasels come contract time. They need to put up or shut up

We’re not in the business of making sure all our good boys get the same amount of cookies. If Nylander needs $10 million in Toronto (and presumably can’t get that on the free agent market) it doesn’t make sense. We’re just negotiating against past mistakes.

 

[I am Canadian]

No, because he saw the others take the $$$ he didn't get. Why should he do it twice?

Matthews and Marner were the weasels come contract time. They need to put up or shut up. Nylander is basically putting it out there that he's willing to do right if others do.

Marner specifically. Had leaks all over the place about offer sheets. Nylander's camp held out, but none of that BS. They stood firm on what they wanted and found a way to make it work.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's totally unfair to call out a regression after he went to rebuilding Columbus.. context is important here.

As for the inflation argument the Meier contract sets the comparable. That's an 8 year deal signed a week ago. 10+ is still an insane ask imo.

Ok don't call it regression then, just understand that the 115 point season was an outlier. And understand that Gaudreau is at the age where players do regress, oh flip there's that word again that you don't like.

Look players at that age regress. Like or not, that's what happens.

 

[ACC1224]

He'll make less total $$ on a 7x10m than 8x9M to re-sign. His agent can ask all he wants but BT can't fold on term + AAV + adding the Toronto tax like Dubas did. Not if they want to build a competitive team over the next half decade.

He's also underproduced compared to Marner and isn't a C like Tavares. Marner is an elite Pk'er as well. Not saying his contract is team friendly but he should make more than Willy.

....or he could make more.

 

[Stephen]

Going to be an interesting situation to watch with the players having all the power.

With Nylander being the most difficult last time, we shouldn't expect anything different this time. Even more so with him holding some leverage over the team.

I think we can all agree that Thank God Dubas isn't going to be dealing with these 3 again.

Considering what Tristan Jarry got out of Dr Dubas, you’re damn right.

 

[ULF_55]

I think he should make it straight forward and ask for what it is he’s willing to live with in Toronto, winning or not, discount or not and just let chips fall where they may. The whole pegging to another player he’s inferior than is pointless. Who can rightly or wrongly say how team friendly a Matthews contract is when we’re negotiating how much of a historic overpay he should get?

If $8.8-$9.5 million is untenable for Nylander on a long term deal; then good luck elsewhere.

Yep.

Nylander's loyalty should be to himself.
That's the most appropriate response he should have rather than be an outlier wrt his teammates (Rielly excepted).

I'm not sure a long term deal should be his goal, others will argue, but 3 years would bring him to age 30, and at that point the Cap is going to be much higher and he could then re-sign his retirement deal. 3*8.8 seems reasonable, and then Treliving can easily give him the Huberdeau treatment.

 

[Gary Nylund]

We’re not in the business of making sure all our good boys get the same amount of cookies. If Nylander needs $10 million in Toronto (and presumably can’t get that on the free agent market) it doesn’t make sense. We’re just negotiating against past mistakes.

I'd bet that next summer as an UFA, there's at least one team and probably more that's willing to pay Willie 10 million a year. JMHO.

 

[Crosscrease14]

....or he could make more.

More than 10M? Good luck to the GM who signs that I guess. Not to mention if he happens to get hurt or have an off year he's wishing he took 9.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yep.

Nylander's loyalty should be to himself.
That's the most appropriate response he should have rather than be an outlier wrt his teammates (Rielly excepted).

I'm not sure a long term deal should be his goal, others will argue, but 3 years would bring him to age 30, and at that point the Cap is going to be much higher and he could then re-sign his retirement deal. 3*8.8 seems reasonable, and then Treliving can easily give him the Huberdeau treatment.

Interesting idea. I wonder if Willie has any interest in taking a shorter deal or wants 8 years?

 

[A1LeafNation]

I'd bet that next summer as an UFA, there's at least one team and probably more that's willing to pay Willie 10 million a year. JMHO.

I don't.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner specifically. Had leaks all over the place about offer sheets. Nylander's camp held out, but none of that BS. They stood firm on what they wanted and found a way to make it work.

I hated both negotiations. Marner for turning down $11mx7/8 but he did not miss any time. Willie missed 2 months, was made whole and came in out of shape. Very bad look on Willie.

 

[ULF_55]

It's totally unfair to call out a regression after he went to rebuilding Columbus.. context is important here.

I agree context is important.
Example, do you feed your assists off a 2 time Rocket Trophy winner?

 

[ACC1224]

More than 10M? Good luck to the GM who signs that I guess.

Sorry, I thought your point was one contract was worth 70 over 7 while the other was 72 over 8.
I'm saying the 70 over 7 could be worth more if, when that contract expires, he signs for more than 2

 

[Ciao]

I'd bet that next summer as an UFA, there's at least one team and probably more that's willing to pay Willie 10 million a year. JMHO.

Probably.

Hope its not the Leafs.

 

[Buds17]

It doesn't mean they weren't overpaid. Hell, they legit asked Reaves what it would take to get him signed and they said they'd do it. That says more than the amount or term (both of which are too high and too long).

I agree that the Reaves contract was excessive in term (definitely by at least a year) but not so much through the AAV. I'd approximate that Treliving might have overpaid the trio by about 1M collectively, an amount which is neither wonderful nor atrocious.

 

[Crosscrease14]

I agree context is important.
Example, do you feed your assists off a 2 time Rocket Trophy winner?

He did his entire leafs tenure until Babcock got fired tbf. Does Matthews win 2 Rockets with Nylander on the wing? We don't know.

Sorry, I thought your point was one contract was worth 70 over 7 while the other was 72 over 8.
I'm saying the 70 over 7 could be worth more if, when that contract expires, he signs for more than 2

I guess it could if teams are lining up to sign Willy at 35. It's a big gamble but that's fair.

 

[Jojalu]

I think if it was 9 it would be done by now. 8.8-9 is fine long term imo. Obviously not a source but Nylander's agent seems to be asking 10+ which is crazy to me.

He'll get less value signing on the market for 7 so the leafs should hold firm.

Isn't that what negotiating is?

If you want 9, ask for 10+.

Leafs know it won't be 8 so that's why they started there.

If his agent is unwilling to budge and 10+ is the firm stance, it seems like the decision is pretty easy

 

[ULF_55]

Goals will always win games.
But you do need Kampf players to defend even if they don't score in a playoffs series.

 

[egd27]

I think it is pretty clear the NHLPA doesn't really care for the lowest tier.

Tweeners now have to fight for PTO's while the top tier takes a huge cut and allows 3/4 line guys to sign above value in UFA.

The NHLPA are the players......that's what the P stands for.

The guys that are on the executive board are typically not guys like Matthews and McDavid it's guys like Kerfoot, Eberle and Tom Wilson. Those are the guys that lose money when the "superstars" take a bigger slice of the pie.

So if a guy like Kerfoot pressures Matthews to essentially take money out of his own pocket, then a Harvard education is highly overrated.

 

[Notsince67]

Matty is worth more and Mitch thinks he is.

Marner is going to get at a minimum Panarins contract. At a projects salary cap of 92mm when he is up, it amounts to 13.1mm. The team discount is the differential of Marners skill to Panarin.
That's the way it works.

 

[Menzinger]

Why would they do that? The overwhelming majority of the NHLPA are the guys that lose out when the players like Matthews take as much as they can.

That may be the case in other sports, but not in a hard cap world where the pool is finite,

Because generally speaking, the NHLPA cares more about the top of the league than the bottom. They constantly want to push for higher salaries to become the norm - hence they dislike discounts.