Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[notbias]

Reilly already took less and if Tavares doesn't take 3m or less he should be off the team.

Absolutely Marner should take less, but Matthews has to do this too or Marner won't.

3m less than his current contract or 3m in total?

We just signed an often injured, 60pt winger to 5.5 million, Tavares is an 8 million dollar C easily.

Dubois just got 8.5 and Tavares is better.

I can see Tavares taking a big discount, but he is worth well over 3m if that is what you were suggesting.

Nylander took a team friendly deal the last time and it did nothing for Marner and Matthews to not take the whole cake.

Nylander got paid what he was worth.

 

[BayStBullies]

Are we going to start a new Nylander thread every time Elliotte has a thought on the matter?

It's the same thread. They update the title to show the latest news. Also, there isn't much else going on, these signings are one of the biggest decisions of this franchise in decades.

 

[Nineteen67]

Not following this ...what do you mean?

He’s spending cap space on players that are not very good. We don’t know the what else he has planned, but so far he hasn’t been overly impressive. He lowered the playoff cap with Revo by 1.35 m and then paid Kampf an extra 750k. 2 million is 3 rd line banger.

klingberg is a project

Domi and Bertuzzi could be great if they had a big bodied banger to play with them.

 

[socko]

I feel like the Leafs opened up a new hole that didn't need to be there by letting Schenn walk. We didn't need a stay at home defender, but now we kind of do. Should have kept Schenn over Kampf, easily by my book, and then make a trade for maybe Hanifin. We need defensively responsible mobility that can get the puck out of our own end.

 

[EGL22]

Nylander took a team friendly deal the last time and it did nothing for Marner and Matthews to not take the whole cake.

Nylander did not take a team friendly deal,not even close.

At the time for what he was the going rate was 6 -6.5 and he wanted 7.5,
After a 2 month hold out Dubas caved and gave him 7,which was not even close to helping the team and was above market value.

To his credit he did say for 7m he would be a PPG player which he did become.
So he got paid for doing what he claimed,but for only 2 years so he was well overpayed for the other years.

Now reports are he wants 10-10.5.
If you think he will become an annual 100 pt guy for all 5 years then he might be worth it.
However he is a PPG guy,got his 7 for that,so why does he demand a super huge raise?

Cap rise,inflation and some reward he should be happy with 20% raise which rounding up is 8.5.
To cool his ego match Meier,8.8.

Anything more pass.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I thought Rielly got a raise?

Nurse and Jones and others got like 9m, thankfully Reilly didn't hop on that trend.

 

[Nineteen67]

What good does it do the Leafs if the cap finally starts going up good amounts and all we end up doing is giving the extra to the amigos?

If next years prediction is true and it is 4m and Matthews goes up 2.5 and Willy 2.5 we actually will have less to use on depth rather than more.

There are lots of spots that will need filling and if we had any thoughts of keeping Bert or Domi there will be no extra cash to do it.

This is why I look at trading Willy now,when we can get something back that helps and we have a much better handle on the whole team rather than just 3 guys.

Or guys that are in the press box? That’s -ve value.

 

[A1LeafNation]

3m less than his current contract or 3m in total?

We just signed an often injured, 60pt winger to 5.5 million, Tavares is an 8 million dollar C easily.

Dubois just got 8.5 and Tavares is better.

I can see Tavares taking a big discount, but he is worth well over 3m if that is what you were suggesting.



Nylander got paid what he was worth.

He's stolen money from us. There are 2nd line centers making half and winning cups. He owes us. Not to mention he gets caved in every single playoffs defensively.

He's a 3rd line C at best in the playoffs. We don't need this type of player when we have Matthews Marner and Nylander in the top 6. Maybe we can hide him on the 3rd line making 3rd line money.

 

[notbias]

He's stolen money from us. There are 2nd line centers making half and winning cups. He owes us. Not to mention he gets caved in every single playoffs defensively.

He's a 3rd line C at best in the playoffs. We don't need this type of player when we have Matthews Marner and Nylander in the top 6. Maybe we can hide him on the 3rd line making 3rd line money.

Do you think he is a 3rd line C? Insanity.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Do you think he is a 3rd line C? Insanity.

In the playoffs yes. Looks at how much he gets caved in. There's a reason why everyone wants him in the wing, he can't play top 6 C minutes in the playoffs.

 

[DuklaNation]

Less? Less than what? Less than his initial demand? Then its meaningless

 

[EGL22]

Or guys that are in the press box? That’s -ve value.

Every team carries a couple extra guys on the roster that sit up in the box,thats normal.
Maybe 1 o2 2 make a bit more than expected but that is not millions more than expected.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm still a proponent of evenly splitting the PP units. Matthews/Tavares, Marner/Nylander, Rielly/Klingberg, Bertuzzi/Domi, x/x (Knies?, Jarnkrok or Lafferty?). I believe there's enough to work with.

Yup. For this season my preferred PP units would be:

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander-Domi-Rielly

Knies-Tavares-Marner-Jankrok-Klingberg (reason I want Marner here is because Klingberg can let it fly from the point compared to Rielly).

Basically make the full 2 minutes of PP count not just 1 minute and 30 seconds

 

[Crosscrease14]

I feel like the Leafs opened up a new hole that didn't need to be there by letting Schenn walk. We didn't need a stay at home defender, but now we kind of do. Should have kept Schenn over Kampf, easily by my book, and then make a trade for maybe Hanifin. We need defensively responsible mobility that can get the puck out of our own end.

Agreed. I've been happy generally with FA so far but keeping Schenn+ Gus would have been better than Johnny Klings.

I think for all the wanting to re-sign in the media Schenn maybe wanted out. He also needed a longer deal and his foot speed is already questionable. He was solid with Rielly but got burned by Florida with quick up ice passes and couldn't get back fast enough despite being in position.

The Kampf deal is meh but there's not much out there for centres, especially defensive ones. The leafs were happy to get Domi but if they hadn't, Kampf would be absolutely necessary.

If the leafs can't sign Nylander then Pesce + Jarvis or Necas as a base would be good for both teams. Maybe Klingberg goes the other way too or walks if that happens. Upside is the leafs have flexibility.

 

[ORRFForever]

Re : "Friedman "believes William Nylander will not take less $ if he thinks no one else will. If others take less, so will he""

I can't fault him. If the others aren't going to sacrifice, why should he?

I don't like the direction this is going. What a bunch.

 

[PromisedLand]

Yes he was worthy of the contract in those seasons, and I hope he can get back to that form.
By value for money I mean performance relative to salary, Matthews is paid almost 70% more than Nylander if I’m not mistaken.

To be fair one has to really ask how much is Marner worth more than Nylander in terms of AAV

What has been the case?
Marner 11 AAV and Nylander 7 AAV; Question: Is Marner really worth 4 AAV more than Nylander?

At max I'd put Marner at 2M AAV more than Nylander

So hypothetically if Nylander signs for say 9M, there is no way Marner's next contract should exceed 11 AAV which he is already making IMO


Marner is significantly overpaid for a contract coming out of RFA, and IMO Willy is within his right to question this; that said, we are stuck with Marner's contract so the new GM must to what is in the best interest of the team. It sucks for Willy and the Leafs fans IMO; but our hands are tied due to massive overpayments on RFA contracts by previous GM.

 

[LeafGrief]

Nylander took a team friendly deal the last time and it did nothing for Marner and Matthews to not take the whole cake.

I don't agree that it was team friendly, but Dubas didn't let him take us to the cleaners the way he let the other two. I don't blame Nylander, there's no reason to be a chump again, which is why this all starts and ends with Matthews.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So Matthews had no discussion with Leafs about his contract prior to July 1st.?

They're not allowed to discuss specific numbers, at the very least. Now, the NHL has a history of not perfectly following their own rules, but a couple weeks here or there after the season is done is a lot different than a year early. Plus, a weird stunt like this attempting to massively lowball our two superstars would definitely leak and we'd get hit with punishments so fast, beyond the self-inflicted damage we'd be doing. Kind of irrelevant anyway, because the chance of that scenario happening is exactly 0%.

 

[NVious]

Nylander took a team friendly deal the last time and it did nothing for Marner and Matthews to not take the whole cake.

Nylander like the rest of them took the top of his market value, why would he sit out just to take a team friendly deal?

All of them are way too expensive for their horrendous results and while I get that the season matters, their better season results should be trumped by their horrendous playoff results and the fact that all three are getting paid amazingly well to do so.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Re : "Friedman "believes William Nylander will not take less $ if he thinks no one else will. If others take less, so will he""

I can't fault him there. If the others aren't going to sacrifice, why should he?

I don't like how this is looking.

I don’t blame him one bit if that’s his thought process. Why would he take less just so more can go to Matthews and Marner.

 

[ULF_55]

They're not allowed to discuss specific numbers, at the very least. Now, the NHL has a history of not perfectly following their own rules, but a couple weeks here or there after the season is done is a lot different than a year early. Kind of irrelevant anyway, because the chance of that scenario happening is exactly 0%.

I agree, the post wasn't serious, it was in jest.

Not everyone takes everything posted as serious.
Some people are always serious and so for those people nuance can be tricky.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I don't agree that it was team friendly, but Dubas didn't let him take us to the cleaners the way he let the other two. I don't blame Nylander, there's no reason to be a chump again, which is why this all starts and ends with Matthews.

Matthews and Nylanders contracts were done correctly. Matthews gave us multiple rockets and a Hart. Nylander underperformed and then overperfprmed.

Tavares and Marner owe the Leafs money back.

 

[ULF_55]

I don’t blame him one bit if that’s his thought process. Why would he take less just so more can go to Matthews and Marner.

Make for a great locker wouldn't?

I took less and so you took more ... again!

 

[Sypher04]

They're not allowed to discuss specific numbers, at the very least. Now, the NHL has a history of not perfectly following their own rules, but a couple weeks here or there after the season is done is a lot different than a year early. Plus, a weird stunt like this attempting to massively lowball our two superstars would definitely leak and we'd get hit with punishments so fast, beyond the self-inflicted damage we'd be doing. Kind of irrelevant anyway, because the chance of that scenario happening is exactly 0%.

I’m not at all certain that’s accurate. He’s their player, why wouldn’t they be able to talk numbers

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Nylander took a team friendly deal the last time and it did nothing for Marner and Matthews to not take the whole cake.

No he didn't. When he signed that deal, it was fair. It wasn't until last season when it started to look team friendly. His problem was that he was 1st, and signed before Tavares. It was the Tavares deal that really messed up our cap structure.