Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Ianturnedbull]

"Trade him! Get him out of town! Move him to Winnipeg where he belongs! Get him out of here!"

 

[PromisedLand]

In the playoffs yes. Looks at how much he gets caved in. There's a reason why everyone wants him in the wing, he can't play top 6 C minutes in the playoffs.

or regular season.

Tavares was not even top 50 in even strength production last season, I think he was ranked in the 90s for even strength production. With a cap hit of 11 AAV that is not even "par"

 

[A1LeafNation]

To be fair one has to really ask how much is Marner worth more than Nylander in terms of AAV

What has been the case?
Marner 11 AAV and Nylander 7 AAV; Question: Is Marner really worth 4 AAV more than Nylander?

At max I'd put Marner at 2M AAV more than Nylander

So hypothetically if Nylander signs for say 9M, there is no way Marner's next contract should exceed 11 AAV which he is already making IMO


Marner is significantly overpaid for a contract coming out of RFA, and IMO Willy is within his right to question this; that said, we are stuck with Marner's contract so the new GM must to what is in the best interest of the team. It sucks for Willy and the Leafs fans IMO; but our hands are tied due to massive overpayments on RFA contracts by previous GM.

If you are paying a guy 10m in cap, I expect a 100 point player. Marner hasn't lived up to his contract.

His comparables like Kuch and Tkachuck are making 9.5m.

or regular season.

Tavares was not even top 50 in even strength production last season, I think he was ranked in the 90s for even strength production. With a cap hit of 11 AAV that is not even "par"

3rd line Cs get no PP time and put up around 40 points in the regular season generally. Take away Tavares PP points and he put up 40 ES points.

 

[ULF_55]

Sorry, my memory was off.

It has been reported by The Athletic that Pesce could be pushing for a max-term deal at around $6.5 million AAV. So close to $7 mil.

In Carolina?

Everyone knows the score, in Toronto add 15% ...

 

[myleafs]

He’s spending cap space on players that are not very good. We don’t know the what else he has planned, but so far he hasn’t been overly impressive. He lowered the playoff cap with Revo by 1.35 m and then paid Kampf an extra 750k. 2 million is 3 rd line banger.

klingberg is a project

Domi and Bertuzzi could be great if they had a big bodied banger to play with them.

Gotchya though I dont agree other than Klingberg being a project though he could end up having a great season, the motivation for a new contract can be huge. I think people are gonna love Reaves myself, and if he shits the bed his contract for the most part can be buried.....very low risk. Kampf salary is slightly overpayed for what he brings imo. Domi and Bertuzzi need a big bodied banger to be effective? what? 100 percent disagree.

 

[EGL22]

Make for a great locker wouldn't?

I took less and so you took more ... again!

Okay so Marner was overpaid by an idiot so that means Willy is fully entitled to be overpaid as well.

Willy opened Pandora's box showing how weak Dubas was so it was his own fault the other 2 cashed in that big.

So because of bad contracts Willy should get his 10.5 and since Jarnkrok got 20g and 40 pts that is half of what Matthews did so he must be worth 7m.

If everything starts being based on a move of stupidity instead of the error being corrected it gets way out of hand and never ends.

It has to stop and if Willy stays stubborn then the guy that started it all will be the guy gone and the guy that ended it.

 

[supermann_98]

That’s funny because my next contract offer for JT is 0 x 0 and even that feels like an overpay.

Mine is 2 x $850k but I understand your position

 

[notbias]

In the playoffs yes. Looks at how much he gets caved in. There's a reason why everyone wants him in the wing, he can't play top 6 C minutes in the playoffs.

He was near the top of our forwards in corsi, xgf%, pretty much any stat that shows who is getting caved in.

 

[Fogelhund]

Tavares will easily be worth $4-5 mil on his next contract, he just needs to eventually be bumped out of the 2C spot.

 

[A1LeafNation]

He was near the top of our forwards in corsi, xgf%, pretty much any stat that shows who is getting caved in.

In 31 playoff games as a Leaf he's a -9. Lol.

And you can see it in the ice too.

 

[notbias]

In 31 playoff games as a Leaf he's a -9. Lol.

And you can see it in the ice too.

+/- is a terrible stat, but anyway.

Last year Nylander was the worst forward at -4, Tavares was -1, seems like Nylander is bringing him down, is that correct?

ROR was -3, glad we dodged that bullet.

Kerfoot was a +1 we missed out there.

 

[A1LeafNation]

+/- is a terrible stat, but anyway.

Last year Nylander was the worst forward at -4, Tavares was -1, seems like Nylander is bringing him down, is that correct?

ROR was -3, glad we dodged that bullet.

Kerfoot was a +1 we missed out there.

It's a big enough sample size. Oreilly is not.

 

[ULF_55]

Okay so Marner was overpaid by an idiot so that means Willy is fully entitled to be overpaid as well.

Willy opened Pandora's box showing how weak Dubas was so it was his own fault the other 2 cashed in that big.

So because of bad contracts Willy should get his 10.5 and since Jarnkrok got 20g and 40 pts that is half of what Matthews did so he must be worth 7m.

If everything starts being based on a move of stupidity instead of the error being corrected it gets way out of hand and never ends.

It has to stop and if Willy stays stubborn then the guy that started it all will be the guy gone and the guy that ended it.

So are you saying Treliving should or should not give increases to what are bad contracts?

Consider:
marner makes 55% more than Nylander
Matthews makes 66% more than Nylander

Tavares makes 58% more than Nylander
Tavares was UFA, a different kettle of fish.

Trade Nylander, and don't carry on the "stupidity" by increasing those bad contracts?

 

[Dugath]

Makes sense. He was the first of the 3 to sign and then AM and MM sign for over 10 each.

If I was him I would also say I am not signing until I see what AM signs for.

 

[EGL22]

Tavares will easily be worth $4-5 mil on his next contract, he just needs to eventually be bumped out of the 2C spot.

on the Penguins he might get that,nobody else touches him for that.

 

[notbias]

It's a big enough sample size. Oreilly is not.

Kerfoot is +5 in the same timeframe, we really messed up there... +/- is a terrible stat.

 

[weems]

Tavares will easily be worth $4-5 mil on his next contract, he just needs to eventually be bumped out of the 2C spot.

I agree with this but where is the quality 2nd line center going to come from? And when you say eventually, do you mean like possibly even this upcoming season?

This is why I don't hate the idea of Lindholm because he gives you the ability to run 3 quality lines with the option at any point to slot him into the #2 role with Tavares moving to wing.

 

[ORRFForever]

I don’t blame him one bit if that’s his thought process. Why would he take less just so more can go to Matthews and Marner.

Exactly

 

[ULF_55]

Makes sense. He was the first of the 3 to sign and then AM and MM sign for over 10 each.

If I was him I would also say I am not signing until I see what AM signs for.

I think everyone would, especially since there are multiple suitors available for players who amongst the best goal scorers in the world.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Makes sense. He was the first of the 3 to sign and then AM and MM sign for over 10 each.

If I was him I would also say I am not signing until I see what AM signs for.

Exactly. I honestly have no idea how anyone could take issue with this.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Kerfoot is +5 in the same timeframe, we really messed up there... +/- is a terrible stat.

Wasn't Kerfoot on the 3rd line mostly...what's the problem? Bottom 6 players get swapped all the time.

It's harder to replace top6 players generally, but if Tavares was making Kerfoot money you live with it.

Not sure why you think a 3m player should be measured on the same level as a 11m player. Lol.

 

[Beaumaris]

3m less than his current contract or 3m in total?

We just signed an often injured, 60pt winger to 5.5 million, Tavares is an 8 million dollar C easily.

Dubois just got 8.5 and Tavares is better.

I can see Tavares taking a big discount, but he is worth well over 3m if that is what you were suggesting.



Nylander got paid what he was worth.

While Mathew’s got paid twice as much as he was worth.

 

[AvroArrow]

Nylander isn't wrong. Why should he be the sole guy to earn less for the "team" when the other core guys won't ? Why should he be the one to sacrifice when no one else will. I have 0 beef with Willy, I respect him more actually. He's willing to take less for the team, if the other guys are as well. What else can you ask for ? "Hey Willy, Auston and Mitch won't take a discount and are going to bend us over for every penny, but we expect you to be the one to sacrifice millions for the good of the team"

Hopefully Auston responds to this the right way, what deal he signs will determine the future of the franchise. Time to show us all, are you about winning or about the money ?

 

[notbias]

Wasn't Kerfoot on the 3rd line mostly...what's the problem? Bottom 6 players get swapped all the time.

It's harder to replace top6 players generally, but if Tavares was making Kerfoot money you live with it.

Not sure why you think a 3m player should be measured on the same level as a 11m player. Lol.

Tavares would have the best contract in the league at Kerfoot money

You make close to 0 sense, I don't know what you're arguing anymore.

 

[Fogelhund]

I agree with this but where is the quality 2nd line center going to come from? And when you say eventually, do you mean like possibly even this upcoming season?

This is why I don't hate the idea of Lindholm because he gives you the ability to run 3 quality lines with the option at any point to slot him into the #2 role with Tavares moving to wing.

That's a giant... depends.

Is Nylander staying? Well, maybe it's time to give Nylander that opportunity. He's played C before, his game has grown at both ends, he's got speed, and he's shown he's decent at draws.

If not..

Lindholm isn't a bad options, and I don't think Shane Wright is either. Both a deal with Calgary and Seattle would have their pluses and minuses.

I don't see a lot of other options immediately though.