Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[AvroArrow]

Or, he could take the initiative, give the discount and then it's on Matthews and Marner.

Putting the onus on someone else to make the first big move is some weak ass you-know-what.

These guys are absolutely talking to each other about their contracts, Marner demanded the same thing Tavares/Matthews got when he got his last deal. They'll have to have a discussion as teammates and figure out what their plans are.

 

[Gabriel426]

Good to see we actually have a GM who won't bend over to players demand.

 

[Marshy]

Take it or leave it. 1 week to decide ...no need to counter:


34. --> 12.634343.34. X 5 or 8 (Highest paid in the league)

88 --> 8.888888.88. X 5 or 8 ( higher AAV than Meier).


Trade the one who requests a trade first. Keep the other one.

 

[kb]

Lotta amateur GM's in here today. All are out to lunch on valuation. LOL

"He's only worth xxx because I have zero facts to argue, but I will use tiny sample sizes of poor play because it furthers my narrative."

And some didn't even do that much thinking. Well done on those ongoing efforts to comically prove yet again why we have the least informed fanbase!!

 

[MCR74]

Nylander isn't wrong. Why should he be the sole guy to earn less for the "team" when the other core guys won't ? Why should he be the one to sacrifice when no one else will. I have 0 beef with Willy, I respect him more actually. He's willing to take less for the team, if the other guys are as well. What else can you ask for ? "Hey Willy, Auston and Mitch won't take a discount and are going to bend us over for every penny, but we expect you to be the one to sacrifice millions for the good of the team"

Hopefully Auston responds to this the right way, what deal he signs will determine the future of the franchise. Time to show us all, are you about winning or about the money ?

I'm worried about the domino effect once Matthews signs. He doesn't give the impression of willingness to ink a reasonable contract. Once that happens, the other two will want theirs, and we'll be running it back with the three amigos at a higher cost.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm worried about the domino effect once Matthews signs. He doesn't give the impression of willingness to ink a reasonable contract. Once that happens, the other two will want theirs, and we'll be running it back with the three amigos at a higher cost.

I think we're all worried about this. I'm pretty torn about what to do if Matthews asks for like $14M, like yes the cap is going up, but that's 1.5M more than McDavid. It all comes down to Matthews decision, if he goes for the money the next 2 years are wasted IMO. Until the JT 11M comes off the books, this team will have a hard time being a true contender.

I'm just hoping he does the right thing by the team, I hope he's lost enough to understand it's a team game and bigger than the individual and bigger than making the maximum amount.

 

[MCR74]

I think we're all worried about this. I'm pretty torn about what to do if Matthews asks for like $14M, like yes the cap is going up, but that's 1.5M more than McDavid. It all comes down to Matthews decision, if he goes for the money the next 2 years are wasted IMO. Until the JT 11M comes off the books, this team will have a hard time being a true contender.

I'm just hoping he does the right thing by the team, I hope he's lost enough to understand it's a team game and bigger than the individual and bigger than making the maximum amount.

Unfortunately I'm not holding my breath on either of them taking one for the team. They've yet so far.

 

[AvroArrow]

Unfortunately I'm not holding my breath on either of them taking one for the team. They've yet so far.

If Treliving can sign him to a team friendly deal, build that man a statue on legends row.

 

[ULF_55]

There's a scenario where neither is willing to take a discount and fights for every last penny. Would you trade them both in that situation? I feel a team that would do that would take a step back initially, but be better/healthier overall in the grand scheme of things. Sends the right message that team comes before the individual.

Can't trade Matthews without his consent, although I bet some team would give him league high without hesitation as they don't have the marner and Tavares issues.

 

[nuck]

There's a scenario where neither is willing to take a discount and fights for every last penny. Would you trade them both in that situation? I feel a team that would do that would take a step back initially, but be better/healthier overall in the grand scheme of things. Sends the right message that team comes before the individual.

Much tougher to move AM for appropriate value. Losing Willie won't make them miss the playoffs but dealing both could. Clubs simply don't do that when they are in the window. And they don't need discounts, they just need realistic market values. They can overpay Matthews a bit if they move Willie and I suspect they already know his ask is close to workable (like not 15x3)

Honestly with everybody so worried about each others salaries I don't want them all back. That just brings back the same top heavy salary structure. JT is 2 years from being gone but players like Domi and Bert are going to want big raises if they work out, or they might need that big chunk to pay for a different power winger or a top pair D man. Three double figure guys just perpetuates the problem they have had for years.

You don't blow up 4th overall, especially when it looked like the Fla series might have even have been winnable with Woll in from game 1. Shanny isn't too bright but he knows he would be replaced if this was his best idea.

 

[1specter]

Nylander isn't wrong. Why should he be the sole guy to earn less for the "team" when the other core guys won't ? Why should he be the one to sacrifice when no one else will. I have 0 beef with Willy, I respect him more actually. He's willing to take less for the team, if the other guys are as well. What else can you ask for ? "Hey Willy, Auston and Mitch won't take a discount and are going to bend us over for every penny, but we expect you to be the one to sacrifice millions for the good of the team"

Hopefully Auston responds to this the right way, what deal he signs will determine the future of the franchise. Time to show us all, are you about winning or about the money ?

Well said.

 

[Gamble9]

Hearing that nylander is willing to take less if they all do leads me to believe he thinks it's only going to work if they take less and he's throughing the ball in matthews court that's acctually internal pressure from nylander towards the other 2 to take less and compete for a cup on cheaper deals I'm liking it if that's his ultimatum I'm deffinatly with him on that now

 

[ULF_55]

Or, he could take the initiative, give the discount and then it's on Matthews and Marner.

Putting the onus on someone else to make the first big move is some weak ass you-know-what.

Yeah, $8mm is nothing ...

 

[myleafs]

Can't trade Matthews without his consent, although I bet some team would give him league high without hesitation as they don't have the marner and Tavares issues.

Im curious what team could do that, that matthews would agree to go to?

 

[ULF_55]

Im curious what team could do that, that matthews would agree to go to?

Wonder if he'd do Florida?

Barkov returning?

 

[ULF_55]

Matthews signed yet?

Leadership from the top.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Get them all in a room together and hash it out.

Matthews: 13M x 4 = 52 million
Nylander: 9.5M x 4 = 38 million

These deals are reasonable and give both players an opportunity sign another deal in their prime years. They're not as rich as the players probably could get, but also not a slap in the face by any stretch. Secondly, it gives the Team 2 years with both players AFTER Tavares' contract comes off the book, which 2 years the team will be in a very good position to compete for a cup.

 

[Marshy]

22M for Willy and Auston.

split it up how you guys want. 13 and 9 not fair to Willy? Maybe 12 and 10 is the sweet spot...or 12.75 and 9.25. I don't think you can go much more than 22M for both.

 

[Albz]

I think all of us here are overthinkkng and over stressing about this whole thing. I think Nylander and Matthew's will both get signed and with a discount. It's the first time I actually feel like we legit have a team that can play old time hockey mixed with modern hockey... first time where our core players can step on the ice and feel secured and feel big. I still think Trev will go out and get tougher in the bottom 6 and maybe get a good all around dman.... we should all just chill and not feed the media with me panic and shit.

 

[myleafs]

Wonder if he'd do Florida?

Barkov returning?

Barkov caphit is 10. dont think panthers can take on a 15-16 mill cap?

 

[Stephen]

Hearing that nylander is willing to take less if they all do leads me to believe he thinks it's only going to work if they take less and he's throughing the ball in matthews court that's acctually internal pressure from nylander towards the other 2 to take less and compete for a cup on cheaper deals I'm liking it if that's his ultimatum I'm deffinatly with him on that now

Nylander is only partially correct here.

If he came out and committed to an $8-$9 million deal, easy breezy and declared he was taking less, wants to win, hope everyone feels aligned with this, that would be tremendous leadership. Go Timo Meier route and he wouldn’t even be leaving that much money on the table. That could signal to Matthews, maybe I’ll shave a little off the top and away we go.

The way it’s currently phrased, it loses some of its resonance cause it sounds like a squabble over who is inheriting what from the MLSE fortune. It’s still a little bit Kendal, Roman, Shiv.

 

[Sypher04]

I think we're all worried about this. I'm pretty torn about what to do if Matthews asks for like $14M, like yes the cap is going up, but that's 1.5M more than McDavid. It all comes down to Matthews decision, if he goes for the money the next 2 years are wasted IMO. Until the JT 11M comes off the books, this team will have a hard time being a true contender.

I'm just hoping he does the right thing by the team, I hope he's lost enough to understand it's a team game and bigger than the individual and bigger than making the maximum amount.

I don’t expect it to be $14M but realistically that’s not an entirely unreasonable ask based purely on where we know the cap is going the next 3-5 years.

At the time Matthews signed his extension at 11.634M, the McDavid contract percentage equivalent was more than 13.8M

Now obviously McDavid is a better player than Matthews, than everyone, but if he was signing now basing on an 87.5M cap in a year, he’d be pushing 15M and still totally arguable as underpaid.

As I have said though, I bet Matthews lands somewhere around $13M.

 

[Gabriel426]

Hearing that nylander is willing to take less if they all do leads me to believe he thinks it's only going to work if they take less and he's throughing the ball in matthews court that's acctually internal pressure from nylander towards the other 2 to take less and compete for a cup on cheaper deals I'm liking it if that's his ultimatum I'm deffinatly with him on that now

Not saying Willie is the leader but remember what Marchand said about the Bruins and how the top guys all took a little less collectively to build the culture and program of the Bruins. Beside Reilly, who had done that with the Leafs. Imagine ROR signed his deal with us and we never signed JT. Got a feeling if thats the case, Willie and AM will probably sign already to their market value respectively.

 

[Sypher04]

Not saying Willie is the leader but remember what Marchand said about the Bruins and how the top guys all took a little less collectively to build the culture and program of the Bruins. Beside Reilly, who had done that with the Leafs. Imagine ROR signed his deal with us and we never signed JT. Got a feeling if thats the case, Willie and AM will probably sign already to their market value respectively.

Marchand said it. Was never true really. A couple guys maybe, at best.

 

[Gabriel426]

Nylander is only partially correct here.

If he came out and committed to an $8-$9 million deal, easy breezy and declared he was taking less, wants to win, hope everyone feels aligned with this, that would be tremendous leadership. Go Timo Meier route and he wouldn’t even be leaving that much money on the table. That could signal to Matthews, maybe I’ll shave a little off the top and away we go.

The way it’s currently phrased, it loses some of its resonance cause it sounds like a squabble over who is inheriting what from the MLSE fortune. It’s still a little bit Kendal, Roman, Shiv.

Why should Willie do that first and then see AM gets like 13milx5yrs and everyone declare that a huge victory and not an overpayment?