Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[ULF_55]

Also, you're not allowed to offer anything to Marner right now anyway.

So Matthews had no discussion with Leafs about his contract prior to July 1st.?

 

[ACC1224]

So Matthews had no discussion with Leafs about his contract prior to July 1st.?

Of course he did, nothing wrong with discussing anything with your players, naïve to think otherwise.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I think I’d be inclined to throw out a trial balloon, offering all three of them identical contracts. Saying to Matthews and Marner, I appreciate that this is below your market value, but it keeps everyone together, it allows for us to build a team you can win with, and it’s still a lot of money. We’d fully understand if you didn’t accept.

8 x $10 mil for each of Matthews, Marner, Nylander.

Matty is worth more and Mitch thinks he is.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I would personally like to target Pesce + Teuvo. You could likely sign both players to long term deals with an AAV similar Nylanders contract. Big downgrade in talent, but I do think it balances the roster nicely.

I'd love to give Rielly a chance to play out his best years with a Pesce calibre guy.

This would also make me much more comfortable locking into a long term deal with Bertuzzi if he flourishes here.

 

[justashadowof]

NHLPA would file a grievance.

Why? This doesn't take money from the players' pot, it just goes to other players. Did they file a grievance when John Tavares took less money than he was offered in San Jose? Did they do it when Steve Stamkos took less to stay in Tampa?

 

[Marshy]

Why? This doesn't take money from the players' pot, it just goes to other players. Did they file a grievance when John Tavares took less money than he was offered in San Jose? Did they do it when Steve Stamkos took less to stay in Tampa?

Yes, they would frown on it but could not really do anything.

Anecdotally, can you think of any star player in their 20s taking less money than their previous deal? Not saying it hasn't happened, I just can't recall.

 

[ACC1224]

Why? This doesn't take money from the players' pot, it just goes to other players. Did they file a grievance when John Tavares took less money than he was offered in San Jose? Did they do it when Steve Stamkos took less to stay in Tampa?

Have they ever filed a grievance?
I've heard that statement before but has it actually happened?

Yes, they would frown on it but could not really do anything.

Anecdotally, can you think of any star player in their 20s taking less money than their previous deal? Not saying it hasn't happened, I just can't recall.

IMO, based on play they both deserve raises.
Problem being obviously is that they were overpaid in the first place.

 

[Fogelhund]

I would personally like to target Pesce + Teuvo. You could likely sign both players to long term deals with an AAV similar Nylanders contract. Big downgrade in talent, but I do think it balances the roster nicely.

I'd love to give Rielly a chance to play out his best years with a Pesce calibre guy.

This would also make me much more comfortable locking into a long term deal with Bertuzzi if he flourishes here.

If Pesce is asking in the $7 range... how does that work?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Reilly already took less and if Tavares doesn't take 3m or less he should be off the team.

Absolutely Marner should take less, but Matthews has to do this too or Marner won't.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

If Pesce is asking in the $7 range... how does that work?

I don't think he's asking in the 7 range. Has that been reported somewhere?

 

[ACC1224]

Reilly already took less and if Tavares doesn't take 3m or less he should be off the team.

Absolutely Marner should take less, but Matthews has to do this too or Marner won't.

I thought Rielly got a raise?

 

[ULF_55]

Reilly already took less and if Tavares doesn't take 3m or less he should be off the team.

Absolutely Marner should take less, but Matthews has to do this too or Marner won't.

An increasing Cap is about the only thing that might help this situation, and from grapevine Matthews wants shorter term contract so he can continuously get more money as the Cap increases.

I'm sure if there was a decrease he'd do that too ...

But, Nylander can wait on Matthews and follow his lead, but he'll be getting a decent raise regardless of what team it comes from.

 

[Fogelhund]

Sorry, my memory was off.

I don't think he's asking in the 7 range. Has that been reported somewhere?

It has been reported by The Athletic that Pesce could be pushing for a max-term deal at around $6.5 million AAV. So close to $7 mil.

 

[myleafs]

I don’t understand all the overly dramatic hand wringing about Reaves’ contract.

It’s $1.3M - - that’s barely above minimum salary. And it’s only THREE (3) years. Not exactly a crippling boat anchor like the deals Dumbass used to hand out.

And they can bury most of it if need be...

 

[EGL22]

Have they ever filed a grievance?
I've heard that statement before but has it actually happened?


IMO, based on play they both deserve raises.
Problem being obviously is that they were overpaid in the first place.

I have never heard of an actual grievance filed but I have heard stories from players about the NHLPA giving them tons of grief over what they accepted.

One story was the NHLPA and even other players called and were pissed he took less because instead of rising the pay levels it lowered them and the negotiating power was less and that it was very nasty.
His agent got a ton of grief too.

On the flipside there were stories that other GM's and owners were super pissed at Dubas and the Leafs got a lot of calls about the contracts he gave out and how they might screw up payrolls down the line.

Luckily other GM's stood tall and signed their stars to reasonable deals and no big damage was done overall.

 

[rojac]

Are we going to start a new Nylander thread every time Elliotte has a thought on the matter?

 

[myleafs]

Based on what the GM has done so far, would either player want to take less? Of course they are probably given the entire plan to help with their decision, but so far ummmm?

Not following this ...what do you mean?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Sorry, my memory was off.

It has been reported by The Athletic that Pesce could be pushing for a max-term deal at around $6.5 million AAV. So close to $7 mil.

So if that's where he starting, I would expect the actual deal to be lower.

Personally, I would not have any issue paying him 6m. Brodie will be off the books by then, and he's a better version of Brodie.

I actually prefer Nylander's game to Marner's but with the timing of the deals and the cap, I think Willy will need to be the one to move.

 

[geo25]

Dubas fed their egos for 5 years and the only remedy is probably to get rid of them via trade. We should have fired Dubas a long time ago, but a year ago would have meant everything, giving Tre a year to figure out what he has and make trades before the NMCs kicked in. Shanahan again has royally screwed the pooch.

Truth be told, we now know the hidden behind the scenes mastermind is Shanny. Dubas was a snake but this guy puts him to shame....what a joke of a Prez...bs Shannyplan etc etc we fell for it hook, line & sinker!

 

[LeafGrief]

Starts with Matthews. He needs to decide if he's going to be the leader this team needs or not. It would be nice to have Nylander throw down the gauntlet, but I think we already know about Nylander that for better or worse, he's not a leader.

 

[justashadowof]

Have they ever filed a grievance?
I've heard that statement before but has it actually happened?

Yeah, the PA over contracts I don't recall. I remember there was word of Joffrey Lupul openly considering that avenue based on how he was handled in his last contract year but I believe he failed physical testing and that was the end of that.

In terms of the PA filing some grievance against a team or the league over the market value of the contract, it doesn't even make any sense as the PA member (the player) chose to sign the contract.

 

[Fogelhund]

So if that's where he starting, I would expect the actual deal to be lower.

Personally, I would not have any issue paying him 6m. Brodie will be off the books by then, and he's a better version of Brodie.

I actually prefer Nylander's game to Marner's but with the timing of the deals and the cap, I think Willy will need to be the one to move.

I've always been a big fan of Pesce's. He's good defensively, and he plays hard. But, he'll be 29 in the fall, and playing his way comes at a price. He's had multiple shoulder surgeries, and missed some time with other issues. He hasn't missed too much time yet, but you sign a guy to a 8 years x $6.5 or $6 contract, and you will have another Muzzin LTIR before that contract is over. I feel like the time to get a Pesce has passed, and you'd regret him eventually.

While he's actually older, I'd think Larsson would be the way to go... hasn't missed a game in three years, is bigger and more capable of dealing with the abuse.. plus he's got two years on his deal, and likely wouldn't look for an eight year deal after. Plus, Seattle can help with other pieces.

But Pesce at $6 mil and TT at $6.5 isn't cheaper than Nylander.

 

[EGL22]

An increasing Cap is about the only thing that might help this situation, and from grapevine Matthews wants shorter term contract so he can continuously get more money as the Cap increases.

I'm sure if there was a decrease he'd do that too ...

But, Nylander can wait on Matthews and follow his lead, but he'll be getting a decent raise regardless of what team it comes from.

What good does it do the Leafs if the cap finally starts going up good amounts and all we end up doing is giving the extra to the amigos?

If next years prediction is true and it is 4m and Matthews goes up 2.5 and Willy 2.5 we actually will have less to use on depth rather than more.

There are lots of spots that will need filling and if we had any thoughts of keeping Bert or Domi there will be no extra cash to do it.

This is why I look at trading Willy now,when we can get something back that helps and we have a much better handle on the whole team rather than just 3 guys.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Reilly already took less and if Tavares doesn't take 3m or less he should be off the team.

Absolutely Marner should take less, but Matthews has to do this too or Marner won't.

That’s funny because my next contract offer for JT is 0 x 0 and even that feels like an overpay.

 

[BayStBullies]

Starts with Matthews. He needs to decide if he's going to be the leader this team needs or not. It would be nice to have Nylander throw down the gauntlet, but I think we already know about Nylander that for better or worse, he's not a leader.

Nylander took a team friendly deal the last time and it did nothing for Marner and Matthews to not take the whole cake.