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ToneDog said:
I agree but it does not appear Shanny does. If Shanny and Tre can't see Mitch asking for more than $12m in two years, they are not qualified to do their jobs.
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You’d have to be living in a cave not see if Matthews wants to be the highest paid player, Marner is going to want to be the highest paid winger.
And depending by how much Matthews is the highest paid, Marner goes up. If Matthews is 13, Marner will be 12 at least.

If I’m Nylander, no way I’m taking less than 10 if those guys are going 13 and 12.
 
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The urgency of dealing with Nylander now isn't that he becomes unmovable after July 1st. It also isn't because they need to maximize the return either: maximized return will come with a team Nylander wishes to join (and sign to an extension) so that trade destination will be on his accepted trade list anyways.

The urgency of dealing with Nylander right now is that the team needs to set up its roster for the 2023-24 playoffs and beyond this summer. If Nylander is to be dealt during this season, and that's never easy making the numbers work, that leaves the team with a decidedly different team heading into the 2023-24 playoffs maybe not optimized for performance but rather for return on the Nylander asset. And also the summer is the time to make these sorts of deals as all teams have cap maneuverability that they don't have during the actual playing season.
 
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Trapper said:
You’d have to be living in a cave not see if Matthews wants to be the highest paid player, Marner is going to want to be the highest paid winger.
And depending by how much Matthews is the highest paid, Marner goes up. If Matthews is 13, Marner will be 12 at least.

If I’m Nylander, no way I’m taking less than 10 if those guys are going 13 and 12.
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That's exactly it.

The only answer is to blow it up.

They won't blow it up EVER because Merch / Media losses.

Result = You can't win a cup in Toronto

It's as simple as this, if Mitch isn't traded, Nylander isn't signed for around 8.8m x 8 and Matthews isn't signed to around 12.8 x 8. on July 1. It's about over.
 
Pengu said:
Nylander will NOT return anything close to Dubois as Nylander will not come with an extention.
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That's assuming we can't do a sign-and-trade, and that he won't agree in principal to it with the other team.
 
Machinae said:
Paying any winger over 10m is a ludicrous waste of money, that goes for Marner and Nylander both.

Other teams have similar production out of wingers making half of what those two do. Just f***ing trade these guys if this is how its going to be.
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Look if people accept another round of those big contracts or bigger contracts just, throw your cup dreams in the trash and put on your, I'm here to be entertained Cap.

That's about it.
 
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ULF_55 said:
Funny, a marner lover just asked how long do we point to the father?

Nylander has been in the Leafs org for 9 years, Michael I think was 5 years with Flames as his longest stay.
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Fatherly advice .. Remember this situation where Willy's dad even agreed to a contract in principle and then when a better deal came along took it instead?

Oilers cry foul over Nylander signing​


CBC Sports · Posted: Jul 03, 2007

The Edmonton Oilers issued a statement on Tuesday, claiming they had come to a contract agreement with free agent centre Michael Nylander, who subsequently signed with Washington.

Calling the situation, "unfortunate and unprecedented," the Oilers said general manager Kevin Lowe agreed on Sunday to a multi-year deal with Mike Gillis, Nylander's agent, who in turn confirmed in writing that an agreement had been reached. Edmonton never received signed contracts from Nylander and Gillis and on Monday Washington general manager George McPhee announced that Nylander had agreed to a four-year deal with the Capitals, believed to be worth $19.5 million US.

"The Oilers can find no precedent for such conduct in our history,"the statement read. "The Oilers are examining and pursuing every course of action available in the best interest of the team and our fans."

 
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thewave said:
Look if people accept another round of those big contracts or bigger contracts just, throw your cup dreams in the trash and put on your, I'm here to be entertained Cap.

That's about it.
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Getting the sense that Shanahan and MLSE are very happy with the regular season success + sales of the star players merch and that they will maintain the status quo rather than take a chance on a franchise altering move.
 
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Machinae said:
Getting the sense that Shanahan and MLSE are very happy with the regular season success + sales of the star players merch and that they will maintain the status quo rather than take a chance on a franchise altering move.
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Except they would make far more money winning the Cup.
 
Bottom line as all hockey people know you can't win a Cup with 4 forwards making half of CAP .. bottom line is it is not possible .. at some point da paradigm needs to change and change hard right .. it likely needs to be shifted over a few years with Willy and then Mitch moving on .. then JT comes down to league min and team starts to rebuild with Matty
 
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thewave said:
That's exactly it.

The only answer is to blow it up.

They won't blow it up EVER because Merch / Media losses.

Result = You can't win a cup in Toronto

It's as simple as this, if Mitch isn't traded, Nylander isn't signed for around 8.8m x 8 and Matthews isn't signed to around 12.8 x 8. on July 1. It's about over.
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What? How did Toronto end up getting Matthews? How is your memory?
 
Mess said:
Fatherly advice .. Remember this situation where Willy's dad even agreed to a contract in principle and then when a better deal came along took it instead?

Oilers cry foul over Nylander signing​


CBC Sports · Posted: Jul 03, 2007

The Edmonton Oilers issued a statement on Tuesday, claiming they had come to a contract agreement with free agent centre Michael Nylander, who subsequently signed with Washington.

Calling the situation, "unfortunate and unprecedented," the Oilers said general manager Kevin Lowe agreed on Sunday to a multi-year deal with Mike Gillis, Nylander's agent, who in turn confirmed in writing that an agreement had been reached. Edmonton never received signed contracts from Nylander and Gillis and on Monday Washington general manager George McPhee announced that Nylander had agreed to a four-year deal with the Capitals, believed to be worth $19.5 million US.

"The Oilers can find no precedent for such conduct in our history,"the statement read. "The Oilers are examining and pursuing every course of action available in the best interest of the team and our fans."

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You know what they say about something that isn't on paper ... rip it up and throw it away.
 
Ianturnedbull said:
What? How did Toronto end up getting Matthews? How is your memory?
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That was the start of new ownership, that was the splash. That was the we need to get some names that go on shirts and can be sold portion. Now we have the names. They will overpay to play and not win anything.

I am sorry for being so negative but there is just virtually no path to winning with our cap structure.
 
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Trapper said:
You’d have to be living in a cave not see if Matthews wants to be the highest paid player, Marner is going to want to be the highest paid winger.
And depending by how much Matthews is the highest paid, Marner goes up. If Matthews is 13, Marner will be 12 at least.

If I’m Nylander, no way I’m taking less than 10 if those guys are going 13 and 12.
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I think if Willie goes UFA, he makes more than 10.
 
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Mess said:
Fatherly advice .. Remember this situation where Willy's dad even agreed to a contract in principle and then when a better deal came along took it instead?

Oilers cry foul over Nylander signing​


CBC Sports · Posted: Jul 03, 2007

The Edmonton Oilers issued a statement on Tuesday, claiming they had come to a contract agreement with free agent centre Michael Nylander, who subsequently signed with Washington.

Calling the situation, "unfortunate and unprecedented," the Oilers said general manager Kevin Lowe agreed on Sunday to a multi-year deal with Mike Gillis, Nylander's agent, who in turn confirmed in writing that an agreement had been reached. Edmonton never received signed contracts from Nylander and Gillis and on Monday Washington general manager George McPhee announced that Nylander had agreed to a four-year deal with the Capitals, believed to be worth $19.5 million US.

"The Oilers can find no precedent for such conduct in our history,"the statement read. "The Oilers are examining and pursuing every course of action available in the best interest of the team and our fans."

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Though to be fair Michael Nylander has asserted the agent agreed to the deal without confirming with him first.
 
Nooodles said:
Trelliving cannot f***ing sing one f***ing star
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Today is hum and haw day. Tomorrow if nothing is done you know it all went very wrong because, well they have to file it tomorrow and if it's not it just means they will be negotiating with their hands cuffed.

Cartoonist should draw Matthew Nylander and Marner as dominatrix's and MLSE strapped to the bed with a 2023/2024 Blanket.
 
thewave said:
That was the start of new ownership, that was the splash. That was the we need to get some names that go on shirts and can be sold portion. Now we have the names. They will overpay to play and not win anything.

I am sorry for being so negative but there is just virtually no path to winning with our cap structure.
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I buy that. Just because Toronto hasn't been successful in the playoffs doesn't mean that greed is the only thing everyone cares about.

Your theory used to carry weight when Toronto was post-JFJ era. Then the Burke/Kessel/Dion era. Those teams won nothing and yet disgruntled fans screamed "greedy ownership doesn't want to win".
 
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