Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[kevsh]

"There was word the last couple days that it's not going great between the Leafs and Nylander".

Just about the least surprising news in the history of NHL contract negotiations.

It was pretty much a given Willie is going to demand the absolute maximum of what he feels he's worth and any notion he will take a cent less to help the Leafs build a winner is laughable.

Good news is he only has a 10-team no-trade list, so Treliving still can - and should - move him whenever a new home can be found, even if it stretches will into the Summer.

 

[Boxscore]

Playing for one of the worst franchises in the the NHL is a burden not an honor.

The Leafs are one of the worst franchises in the NHL? Explain that to me please.

The Leafs are one of the most historic hockey teams in history -- a global brand, rich with tradition. Toronto is a beautiful, large, diverse city with everything to offer. The fans are passionate about the game and tickets have been passed down from generation to generation. If you are a hockey player who truly loves the game and are passionate about playing, there's no better market on the planet than Toronto.

This is not the Ballard era -- the players on this team are treated wonderfully -- in fact, they've been too spoiled. These kids should be ecstatic to wear the Leaf crest and behind the scenes should be plotting a scenario where they can all remain together (while giving the Leafs ample room to add more support) instead of being greedy, me-first brats who run to the table and rip the pizza apart, leaving the box, crust, and crumbs all over the floor for mom and dad to clean up.

These dudes need a dose of reality. Trade all of them, I can care less. Enough is enough. You'll never create a winning culture as long as your best players (and supposed leaders) are whiny, greedy, immature children who can't look through the dollar signs to see the big picture. We've tried that for 7 years and it's failed miserably. Doubling down is the worst thing we could do, and that includes Matthews and Marner as well.

 

[Trapper]

I think if Willie goes UFA, he makes more than 10.

And a team that doesn’t already have 3 guys making 11 million can probably do it.
I wouldn’t have 3 forwards making double digits. I wouldn’t even have Marner getting an increase.
One big guy and that’s Matthews.

 

[Sammy Kat]

Remember that Matty scored 27 at even strength, playing with one of the best set-up men in the league and our best LW.

Willy scored 31 at even strength, dragging around a slow center and whoever on LW.

If Matty is looking for 13-15, I'm not surprised that Willy would like 10-11. I think 9-9.5 would be more than reasonable.

That slow center was still an 80 pt guy in the regular season.
Plus they did not face the top players on other teams,they got the secondary less talented forwards and not the top pair d.

Willy is good but no way we go 9m for him,he has got to go for that.
It will be interesting to see what he does away from seeing second lines and 2nd d and a much less talented PP and possibly a much less freewheeling team style of play.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Dreger on reported gap between Leafs and Nylander and Leafs' reported interest in Reaves - TSN.ca

TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger joins us to chat about the Leafs' reported interest in Ryan Reaves, why William Nylander is deserving of his raise regardless of whether the Leafs can make it work, if there are teams interested in Nylander and more.

 

[IPS]

I think if Willie goes UFA, he makes more than 10.

He gets slightly over 9 tops in UFA. ES Leading scorer Johnny Gaudreau couldn't even get 10 in free agency.

The Toronto Premium is a very real thing and Dubas has damaged this franchise for years to come with his ridiculous overpayments.

This fanbase is still completely clueless of what actual market value is. None of our stars' negotiations are going to be anywhere near in line with actual market value.

IF all else fails you can always paint some ridiculous advanced stats picture as to why Matthews is actually very close to McDavid and he needs to be paid similarity. Or how Marner actually carries the value of a super elite #1C and needs to be paid as such. It's honestly f***ing amazing the bullshit Dubas sold this organization.

 

[ULF_55]

It was pretty much a given Willie is going to demand the absolute maximum of what he feels he's worth and any notion he will take a cent less to help the Leafs build a winner is laughable.

He should wait and see what Matthews signs for.

If Matthews shows leadership ...

 

[therealkoho]

Well of course, he's always the one that gets hardballed while the other two can bend the GM over and f*** him dry

different GM I don't think this one gets bent over too easily

Wills number falls anywhere between 8.9 for a short term 2-3 years a 4 year deal starts with a 9 and a 5 years plus deal 9.25-9.5 with 15 team NTC on any deal, any ask higher than that I'd ask him to call me from Anaheim to let me know how he's settling in!

 

[the Mighty Oak]

And a team that doesn’t already have 3 guys making 11 million can probably do it.
I wouldn’t have 3 forwards making double digits. I wouldn’t even have Marner getting an increase.
One big guy and that’s Matthews.

I totally agree. Mariner's next contract should. be at 11aav, Even though he's a much, much better player than he was when he signed his first contract.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Trade him for the best possible return and move on. I'd swap him for Pesce + a pick and call it a day.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

He gets slightly over 9 tops in UFA. ES Leading scorer Johnny Gaudreau couldn't even get 10 in free agency.

The Toronto Premium is a very real thing and Dubas has damaged this franchise for years to come with his ridiculous overpayments.

This fanbase is still completely clueless of what actual market value is. None of our stars' negotiations are going to be anywhere near in line with actual market value.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

He should wait and see what Matthews signs for.

If Matthews shows leadership ...

Matthews is not the comp, it's Marner.
Based on Marner's deal, Willie has been on a bargain contract the last few years...It's time for Willie to get his

 

[Boxscore]

And a team that doesn’t already have 3 guys making 11 million can probably do it.
I wouldn’t have 3 forwards making double digits. I wouldn’t even have Marner getting an increase.
One big guy and that’s Matthews.

Correct, and this is exactly why teams like this don't win championships in a hard cap era, especially during a down economy with a stagnant cap to boot.

The Leafs have chosen to go the more sizzle than steak route and annually ice a core of exciting, talented primadonnas who sell tickets and merch but are softer than toilet tissue.

If you are going to put this much cap into a couple players, they better have Crosby and Malkin DNA -- not only are those cats among the greatest to every play the game, but they are both gritty, relentless, highly-motivated, extremely dedicated, and absolutely hate to lose. Our ho-hum core, not so much.

The Leafs are hitching their wagon to the wrong kind of players, folks.

 

[ULF_55]

He gets slightly over 9 tops in UFA. ES Leading scorer Johnny Gaudreau couldn't even get 10 in free agency.

The Toronto Premium is a very real thing and Dubas has damaged this franchise for years to come with his ridiculous overpayments.

This fanbase is still completely clueless of what actual market value is. None of our stars' negotiations are going to be anywhere near in line with actual market value.

Leafs should have a Gaudreau cap.

To get more you have to score more than Gaudreau.

 

[therealkoho]

i think it’ll be Predators.

That's the call you make if Matthews wants more than 12.8 seeing as we've already paid him

He should wait and see what Matthews signs for.

If Matthews shows leadership ...

you're kidding right?

 

[IPS]

Leafs should have a Gaudreau cap.

To get more you have to score more than Gaudreau.

Welcome to the ACTUAL MARKET VALUE, where if you're a small playmaking winger you need to do something INSANE (like lead the league in ES scoring) to get even close to $10M.

We gave Marner a better contract (as a RFA) for doing way less impressive shit. It's remarkable.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

 

[notDatsyuk]

Believe it or not, goals and assists lead to success.

It really does seem like you are unhappy with every single decision the Leafs have or could make.

what's a fair number for you for Willy?



Move him too. I have no loyalty to individual players.

Let's level the playing field - if you're re-signing all four today, what are fair numbers?

Matthews - 13
Marner - 9.5
Nylander 9
Tavares - 5 (and I'm being generous)

 

[Trapper]

Welcome to the ACTUAL MARKET VALUE, where if you're a small playmaking winger you need to do something INSANE (like lead the league in ES scoring) to get even close to $10M.

We gave Marner a better contract (as a RFA) for doing way less impressive shit. It's remarkable.

Nylander taking 10 million is probably already 2/3 million less than what Matthews/Marner will get on their next deal. Do people think Nylander is worth 4 million less?

Treliving also gave Huberdeau 10.5 last year.
How does he stack with Nylander?

 

[IPS]

Let's level the playing field - if you're re-signing all four today, what are fair numbers?

Matthews - 13
Marner - 10
Nylander 9.5
Tavares - 5 (and I'm being generous)

Looks about right to me: except still slightly high:

Matthews shouldn't make more than Mack.
Marner shouldn't make more than Gaudreau
and Nylander shouldn't only be $.25M behind what Gaudreau signed for last offseason.

Tavares at 5 looks about right.

 

[Mess]

Funny, a marner lover just asked how long do we point to the father?

Nylander has been in the Leafs org for 9 years, Michael I think was 5 years with Flames as his longest stay.

Paul Marner says "My boys only comparable is Auston Matthews because he puts up more points" on his $10.9 mil deal.

Michael Nylander says " My boy has scored more regular season goals and playoff goals then Paul's boy Mitch, and in fact my boy Willy playoff stats allow him to hang with Brian Matthews boy Auston and his $11.6 mil deal".

So "Show me the money" !!!

This is all a self inflicted wound the Leafs created for themselves through over payments, and if you were in Nylander's shoes you could see his POV of being screwed over last time but not this time.

 

[IPS]

Nylander taking 10 million is probably already 2/3 million less than what Matthews/Marner will get on their next deal. Do people think Nylander is worth 4 million less?

Treliving also gave Huberdeau 10.5 last year.
How does he stack with Nylander?

Huby also came off a crazy good year, 115 points while being one of the highest PPG's in the league over the last 3 years.


How did his cap% compare to us paying RFA Marner?

 

[JKG33]

Looks about right to me: except still slightly high:

Matthews shouldn't make more than Mack.
Marner shouldn't make more than Gaudreau
and Nylander shouldn't only be $.25M behind what Gaudreau signed for last offseason.

Tavares at 5 looks about right.

Matthews doesn't even deserve his cap hit now.
I'd take Marner over Guadreau, but both are overpaid.
Nylander should be in the neighborhood of 8.5

 

[StuckOutHere]

Yeah it's gonna suck when we trade him to Carolina for like Brett Pesce and some scraps.

 

[therealkoho]

That was the start of new ownership, that was the splash. That was the we need to get some names that go on shirts and can be sold portion. Now we have the names. They will overpay to play and not win anything.

I am sorry for being so negative but there is just virtually no path to winning with our cap structure.

c'mon wave, the merch angle doesn't really work, hell you know as well as I that people were buying Daoust jerseys back in the day, in fact I've even seen Boimistruck jerseys and not just on Freddie or his kids.