Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[KaN19]

I disagree. Toronto still has a lot of control tomorrow too.

Could always find a way to trade Marner as long as he's still under contract, but it just becomes significantly more difficult to do so after his full no-trade clause kicks in. We'd likely have to eat some of his salary and accept a smaller return. Odds he waives to go to a place like Calgary is almost zero.

On the other hand, I'm not really concerned about Nylander's 10-team list. Could flip him any time during the summer.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

I'm saying he is a good player but his numbers are up because he sees the easier competition.
On a top line is gets harder when you face the other teams best.

Rip Marner all you want but when he was on the 2nd line Tavares had the best season of his career and Willy was on top with Matty and was okay.
Marner goes to top line and Matty gets 60 and Willy drops down to 2nd line and production rises up but also Tavares drops back to his norms.

I also don't believe that in playoffs if he was swapped with Marner things would change for the better as he would get shut down just as easily.

At this time for 9M+ he is a luxury we cannot afford.

I'm a big marner fan. Willie also doesn't have a line mate that has the skill set of Matthews or Mariner. I'm not a big Tavares fan

 

[CelticDruid]

The wrong guy isn't necessarily isn't necessarily the guy you like the most.

Years ago Fletcher had to make some difficult choices in order to improve things for the future of team.

Gilmour, Wendel, Lefebvre all got traded for very good assets:

Sundin, McCauley, Smith, and Sullivan came the other way.

Bold moves amd unpopular at the time, but TOR ended up with a future hall of famer.

A bold move would be trading Marner and not the easy option of Nylander.

 

[therealkoho]

A bold move would be trading Marner and not the easy option of Nylander.

but would it be the right move?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Auston Matthews has easily been the best of those players in recent playoffs. He elevates his physical game and takes more hard contact than he does in the regular season. It's just that his shooting was off most of the entire 2022-23 season and that carried into the playoffs. I believe he can be much better but he's still the best of that lot by a large margin in my opinion.

It's not an unreasonable POV to say Matthews has been the best but over the last 3 playoffs, "large margin" is a massive overstatement that I take issue with. Yes he has the tougher defensive assignments but still, compared to Nylander he gets more ice time, he has the legendary Magic Mitch on his wing setting him up and unlike Willie, he's stapled to PP1 and the fact that he hasn't outproduced Willie over the last 3 playoffs is a pretty huge plus in Willie's favor. JMHO.

 

[Atomos2]

Figures. We wanted change, but the change we wanted was no more Marner and Keefe. The change we're getting is no more Nylander and Dubas. Well done Leafs. We we're getting too close to taking a step forward anyway. Perfect time for the patented Leafs' infamous step backwards.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

A bold move would be trading Marner and not the easy option of Nylander.

Who has the cap room to pay a winger 10.9 million dollars?

He's a very good player, but who's taking on his current and future contract?

Edm just traded away 2 players for future considerations. Clearly they were cap casualties. I wish there was all kinds of cap space for Toronto, but there's not.

 

[Stephen]

A bold move would be trading Marner and not the easy option of Nylander.

A bold option would be to trade both, simultaneously but would be very difficult to pull off.

 

[ULF_55]

but would it be the right move?

Doesn't that get treated like most other trades?

If it makes the team better, especially in the playoffs.

I realize there are some fans who wouldn't trade X for a Cup.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Who has the cap room to pay a winger 10.9 million dollars?

He's a very good player, but who's taking on his current and future contract?

Edm just traded away 2 players for future considerations. Clearly they were cap casualties. I wish there was all kinds of cap space for Toronto, but there's not.

Teams will make room.

 

[Stephen]

Figures. We wanted change, but the change we wanted was no more Marner and Keefe. The change we're getting is no more Nylander and Dubas. Well done Leafs. We we're getting too close to taking a step forward anyway. Perfect time for the patented Leafs' infamous step backwards.

Wanting to keep Nylander comes with an asterisk though.

 

[therealkoho]

The wrong guy isn't necessarily the guy you like the most. Nylander has the more value than Marner due to his skill/current contract.

Years ago Fletcher had to make some difficult choices in order to improve things for the future of team.

Gilmour, Wendel, Lefebvre all got traded for very good assets:

Sundin, McCauley, Smith, and Sullivan came the other way.

Bold moves and unpopular at the time, but TOR ended up with a future hall of famer.

gawd do you remember when Punch did it what a horror show the team became for the next 6 years

 

[ULF_55]

Who has the cap room to pay a winger 10.9 million dollars?

He's a very good player, but who's taking on his current and future contract?

Edm just traded away 2 players for future considerations. Clearly they were cap casualties. I wish there was all kinds of cap space for Toronto, but there's not.

Salary in.
Salary out.

Teams don't have to fit $10mm in, they have to fit the difference in.

marner/Matthews/Nylander won't be traded for futures.

 

[ULF_55]

gawd do you remember when Punch did it what a horror show the team became for the next 6 years

You mean the punishment trade?

I'm the boss trade?

 

[Sammy Kat]

Figures. We wanted change, but the change we wanted was no more Marner and Keefe. The change we're getting is no more Nylander and Dubas. Well done Leafs. We we're getting too close to taking a step forward anyway. Perfect time for the patented Leafs' infamous step backwards.

Losing Dubas was NOT a step backwards.
He is the reason we are in this mess.
His stain will remain for the next 2 drafts as well as he mortgaged us well into the future.

 

[therealkoho]

Doesn't that get treated like most other trades?

If it makes the team better, especially in the playoffs.

I realize there are some fans who wouldn't trade X for a Cup.

I'll tell you what ULF, I would trade Matthews right now, I would trade Marner right now or Will or .......

but yes you're right some people act like you're murdering puppies if you suggest a certain player be moved

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Losing Dubas was NOT a step backwards.
He is the reason we are in this mess.
His stain will remain for the next 2 drafts as well as he mortgaged us well into the future.

Most here still don't realize how bad he was.

 

[rojac]

Crazy. Matthews is in no way, shape, or form worth more than McDavid, MacKinnon or Makar.

If we're being completely honest, and remove the homer glasses:

1. Matthews - 12 (a hair less than McDavid/MacKinnon and more than Pastrnak).

2. Marner - 9.25 (a hair less than Matt Tkachuk, with B2B 100+ point seasons and unicorn-like intangibles).

3. Nylander - 8.5 (see Marner above. Ironically, Willie is the only Leaf who is underpaid, but the correct answer isn't an overpayment).

4. Tavares - 6 (and should have been no more than 9.5 when we signed him).

The overpayments began with JT and have been continuing ever since.

I think the only fair way to compare contract values is percentage of the cap based on the year it kicks in (versus CaFriendly’s number which is based on the year it is signed).

Using those figures (with the CapFriendly number in parentheses):

McDavid - 15.72% (16.67%)
MacKinnon - 15.1% (15.27%)

If we assume a cap of $87.5M for the 24-25 season:

Matthews at $12.7M - 14.51% (15.21%)
Matthews at $13M - 14.86% (15.57%)
Matthews at $13.5M - 15.43% (16.17%)
Matthews at $14M - 16.00% (16.67%)

For comparison, Matthews‘ current deal is 14.27% (14.64%).

 

[DougGilmour93]

Trade Nylander already…
Get a similar package that Winnipeg got for Dubois, then turn around and be players in the Free agent market moreso.

 

[EGL22]

A bold option would be to trade both, simultaneously but would be very difficult to pull off.

That would be an HF crashing event for sure.

 

[nuck]

A bold move would be trading Marner and not the easy option of Nylander.

If Willie wants $9M that isn't the easy option at all. If he legit wants $10M then you have no choice. Nobody else intentionally plays players with his production that much money.

The issue with Marner would be will he come clean about matching salary against the other top RW in the league or does he remain focused on AM? If Willie signs for $9M and Marner's agent goes as far as saying he is as valuable as AM and his salary should reflect that then its an easy choice to keep WN and deal Mitch. The Leafs should not have to pay more than other clubs in the league for the same product just because these guys were able to run over a rookie GM their last go round.

You can't compete if you are paying your top players more than the other top players. And you can't win a negotiation when all they have ever had to do is watch you roll over and submit. The club is paying some kind of Leaf tax that shouldn't exist. Its time to level the playing field a bit. One of these guys has to go.

 

[therealkoho]

You mean the punishment trade?

I'm the boss trade?

weren't they all both

 

[Budz]

Trade them ALL.
I honestly can’t stand these guys.

 

[Hellcat]

The Leafs have the best of the best amenities and perks. Players rave about how they are blown away at how much pampering is available.

Yet every penny must be squeezed by the team's stars. Maybe stop the pampering then...what's the point? I mean I doubt the Panthers players are treated like royalty with Michelin chefs, team dog walkers and gold plated hot tubs yet they managed something this core has never even sniffed at. Time for a culture reset.

The Blue and White disease has been there since I can remember, you get rid of the players, the infection stays to infect the next crop. It really starts at the top, the General establishes the culture.

 

[the Mighty Oak]

Trade Nylander already…
Get a similar package that Winnipeg got for Dubois, then turn around and be players in the Free agent market moreso.

You can always sign kneelender for 9. trade marner and save 12/13/14 mil on his next contract demands