Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[thewave]

c'mon wave, the merch angle doesn't really work, hell you know as well as I that people were buying Daoust jerseys back in the day, in fact I've even seen Boimistruck jerseys and not just on Freddie or his kids.

I think it's the media divisions that are making the most money. I do get your point, but I have a feeling the marketing has been hugely successful for the Leafs in merch/licensing as well.

gawd do you remember when Punch did it what a horror show the team became for the next 6 years

Dubas sat here and destroyed our cap while fans cheered him on. When the demolition was complete he played victim and the got a promotion somewhere else.

I remember a lot of things but nothing like what i just wrote above.

 

[Atomos2]

Losing Dubas was NOT a step backwards.
He is the reason we are in this mess.
His stain will remain for the next 2 drafts as well as he mortgaged us well into the future.

I have yet to see anything the Leafs have done so far in this offseason as a step forward. Dubas is irrelevant. Neither a step forward or back. Just a mouthpiece for Shanahan. Keeping Keefe and letting Marner walk right into his NTC window so he can handicap this team with unreasonable contract demands in the future is a step back. How far is the step back remains to be seen but it's definitely not looking good.

 

[myleafs]

This. The fact that we can't go down the same rat hole with these guys if further evidence that they should have cut bait from them. If it is all about the money 2.0, get them the f*** out of here already. They are f***ing greedy, ungrateful losers and they should not be the face of the team.

By the looks of things we are quadrupling down on the mercenary 4. Along with rumblings about being ok with Murray, circling back to Kerfoot.....my excitment level is through the roof.

I am really not sure what Marner has to do with the Nylander negotiations. If Nylander is asking for 11 million a year....trade him. We literally can't talk contract with Marner right now. If next year Marner has a ridiculous ask....trade him. We aren't at that point with him yet though.

Nope.....cant. NMC

 

[Stephen]

I think it's the media divisions that are making the most money. I do get your point, but I have a feeling the marketing has been hugely successful for the Leafs in merch/licensing as well.



Dubas sat here and destroyed our cap while fans cheered him on. When the demolition was complete he played victim and the got a promotion somewhere else.

I remember a lot of things but nothing like what i just wrote above.

The Dubas experiment was insanity looking back at it all in hindsight. It was like he was a “Player GM” who aligned himself with his stars more than repping the franchise and by the end of it he was negotiating like he was Matthews or Nylander or Marner or Sandin. Just a mad house.

 

[EGL22]

Most here still don't realize how bad he was.

I still say that is about age and not reality.

Those 40 and under still don't agree with paying your dues and getting experience and think they can do the job now and that over 50's need to be put out to pasture.

Dubas was their shining light,the leader that proved them right so failing was not an option.
If they ever agree he failed then they have to admit that the age old pay your dues and learn is real and they can't jump up a bunch of rungs on the ladder.

So they will never agree he failed and will look for blame elsewhere,even as far as to still blame Lou.

 

[myleafs]

I think 8*8.8 is a fair contract.

The issue is he plays on a team that has overpaid 2 of his teammates, and will continue to overpay his teammates.

No way is Matthews the best player in the league, in the playoffs he plays with marner and is just slightly ahead of Nylander in production.

Regular season doesn't mean anything to many many people here, if you've said it you've said it.

Be consistent, don't be that person ...

The Leafs should move on from Nylander and vice versa, as there are two favorites for the returning coach and it is obvious one of them is not Nylander.

marner and Matthews run the team, to the point the coach can't even discipline them without apologizing in the media.

The best bet is really to trade Nylander for a couple middle 6 players who are fine being 2nd. class in the hierarchy.

Oh no...Holl is coming back?

 

[CelticDruid]

but would it be the right move?

You mentioned Gilmour and Clark being traded and if I recall we didn't get a lot for Gilmour but the Clark return was Sundin etc.

Toronto fans loved both of these Captains and will always hold them in high esteem.

I don't think a lot of fans would be as upset losing any member of this current core compared to losing the likes of Gilmour and Clark.

We can't have 3 players making 11 million bucks one has to go.

It's obscene that Marner and Matty could both be commanding upwards of 12 to 13 million bucks on their next contract.

It has to end with one of them getting dealt.

 

[thewave]

You mentioned Gilmour and Clark being traded and if I recall we didn't get a lot for Gilmour but the Clark return was Sundin etc.

Toronto fans loved both of these Captains and will always hold them in high esteem.

I don't think a lot of fans would be as upset losing any member of this current core compared to losing the likes of Gilmour and Clark.

We can't have 3 players making 11 million bucks one has to go.

It's obscene that Marner and Matty could both be commanding upwards of 12 to 13 million bucks on their next contract.

It has to end with one of them getting dealt.

Guess what owner had the stones to pull those moves.

Stavro. The guy that got us deep into the PO several times over his 10years

 

[KMNRB]

Nylander may have been underpaid the past couple of years, but let's not forget how grossly overpaid he was in his first season. His cap hit was 10.2 and he played worse than a 1.2 mill player, giving away the puck all the time in the playoffs. So over the duration of his contract, his performance matches his cap average.

Whereas the RFA contract usually buys a bargain in later years by giving up values in early years, UFA contract is the reverse. An 8 year contract for Nylander, with him being 35/36 in the last two years of the contract, can be quite terrible. So even if he is playing like a 10 mil player right now, it doesn't mean he deserves a 10 mil cap hit.

The other thing I can't stand is, if he deserves a premium in contract negotiation as Dreger suggests, then his trade market value should be as high or higher than Meier/Dubois/Aho, rather than a tough trade market as Dreger also suggests. It just doesn't make sense to have both a deserving high cap hit and a tough trade market for Nylander.

 

[DarkKnight]

So you obviously thought Marner was an embarrassment, disaster?

No? Slurp slurp slurp

So, you agree then because you brought up a lame irrelevant counter. Go look at all my posts defending Marner’s play this off-season, when you find NONE get back to me genius.

Nylander was embarrassing at times this playoffs, and every former player who watched said so too, not some nobody fanboy.

 

[Sammy Kat]

Teams will make room.

This I totally agree with.

No matter who the player is if a team likes him they will find a way.

This is also why the FA Frenzy is so crazy every year with head scratching signings.

 

[DougGilmour93]

You can always sign kneelender for 9. trade marner and save 12/13/14 mil on his next contract demands

Marner is an electrifying creative Selke candidate. I’d rather keep him.
Nylander disappears for stints…plus I’m tired of his demands.
If need be we can deal Marner next year…lol

 

[Tony Romo]

Nylander may have been underpaid the past couple of years, but let's not forget how grossly overpaid he was in his first season. His cap hit was 10.2 and he played worse than a 1.2 mill player, giving away the puck all the time in the playoffs. So over the duration of his contract, his performance matches his cap average.

Whereas the RFA contract usually buys a bargain in later years by giving up values in early years, UFA contract is the reverse. An 8 year contract for Nylander, with him being 35/36 in the last two years of the contract, can be quite terrible. So even if he is playing like a 10 mil player right now, it doesn't mean he deserves a 10 mil cap hit.

The other thing I can't stand is, if he deserves a premium in contract negotiation as Dreger suggests, then his trade market value should be as high or higher than Meier/Dubois/Aho, rather than a tough trade market as Dreger also suggests. It just doesn't make sense to have both a deserving high cap hit and a tough trade market for Nylander.

It's Dreger is all you gotta know. This guy was saying the leafs better start with an offer at 11m for Marner during his contract negotiations.

 

[CelticDruid]

Who has the cap room to pay a winger 10.9 million dollars?

He's a very good player, but who's taking on his current and future contract?

Edm just traded away 2 players for future considerations. Clearly they were cap casualties. I wish there was all kinds of cap space for Toronto, but there's not.

If he wants that then trade him. As far as I'm concerned they can trade them all and start from scratch. Now, that would be bold.

 

[myleafs]

And we still lost. I don't think William Churchill is enough of a leader to get these guys over the hump. They are the common denominator is this playoff shit show.

Just hang in there....6 more years and im pretty sure we jump that hurdle....pretty sure....maybe....no promises

Human nature described accurately in your post.

Fighters talk about that....its hard to get up at 5am to train when your sleeping in silk sheets.

 

[myleafs]

You expecting a trade today?!

no...Im resigning myself to the fact that we probably dont change a thing and we continue along the same path to nowhere.

You cant have true despair without hope

 

[Hellcat]

I see Willie, Mitch and Matty as ready to sell farm commodities.

A farmer plants his crops, grows them to maturity, the sells them off, rinse wash repeat every year. The famer does not fall in love with his crop, just because he has the best crop, he does not keep them past maturity, spending more money than the return on investment would suggest you should, just to keep them around, he knows when to cultivate. Its the Tampa bay Rays school of asset management. When they get costly, trade for high end cheap talent.

All three have reached maturity, if they are picked now and sold, would easily get a package of 9 to 12 quality players, picks, controllable contracts on team friendly contracts.

Players received in the PLD trade:

Iafallo (29 yrs old) 14 goals (third line minutes)
Vilardi (23 yrs old) 23 goals (third line minutes)
Kupari (23 yrs old) 3 goals (4th line minutes)

Dubois 27 goals

So they traded 27 goals for 40 goals, Vilardi and Kupari have room to grow as they are only 23. Pretty killer deal for Winterpeg. That is a 1.48 multiplier on goals, if that math was used for Mitch (30), Willie (40) and Matty (40), 110 goals out ---- 165 goals return.

 

[myleafs]

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How about something different?

Nylander and 2024 1st. rounder
for
TheBestPlayerInTheDeal?

Thats just crazy talk.....

 

[ToneDog]

Oh no...Holl is coming back?

And with a big raise. LOL.

 

[Sammy Kat]

Marner is an electrifying creative Selke candidate. I’d rather keep him.
Nylander disappears for stints…plus I’m tired of his demands.
If need be we can deal Marner next year…lol

Both players are good and no doubt Marner is the better player but many are not happy about the cost difference more than the talent difference.

Make no mistake,which one posters regard as the bigger dick,family included,also has a big part in which one should go.

I never get mad at Marner about his contract,I get mad at the idiot that gave it to him.

If a co-worker got a raise 3 times what I got I don't blame him for asking for it,but I sure as hell am stunned they gave it to him.

 

[myleafs]

I sure William is also talking to his father Michael looking for advice.

His dad was a tough sign in his day never feeling he was getting paid fairly and moved around teams as such chasing $$$.

8 different teams in 15 yrs

 

[CelticDruid]

Who has the cap room to pay a winger 10.9 million dollars?

He's a very good player, but who's taking on his current and future contract?

Edm just traded away 2 players for future considerations. Clearly they were cap casualties. I wish there was all kinds of cap space for Toronto, but there's not.

I agree 10.9 is insane

 

[myleafs]

And with a big raise. LOL.

goes without saying

 

[Nineteen67]

The Leafs are one of the worst franchises in the NHL? Explain that to me please.

The Leafs are one of the most historic hockey teams in history -- a global brand, rich with tradition. Toronto is a beautiful, large, diverse city with everything to offer. The fans are passionate about the game and tickets have been passed down from generation to generation. If you are a hockey player who truly loves the game and are passionate about playing, there's no better market on the planet than Toronto.

This is not the Ballard era -- the players on this team are treated wonderfully -- in fact, they've been too spoiled. These kids should be ecstatic to wear the Leaf crest and behind the scenes should be plotting a scenario where they can all remain together (while giving the Leafs ample room to add more support) instead of being greedy, me-first brats who run to the table and rip the pizza apart, leaving the box, crust, and crumbs all over the floor for mom and dad to clean up.

These dudes need a dose of reality. Trade all of them, I can care less. Enough is enough. You'll never create a winning culture as long as your best players (and supposed leaders) are whiny, greedy, immature children who can't look through the dollar signs to see the big picture. We've tried that for 7 years and it's failed miserably. Doubling down is the worst thing we could do, and that includes Matthews and Marner as well.

I thought it was common knowledge that in the 3 main North American sports the Leafs, Lions and Tigers were the laughing stocks.

 

[Trapper]

I see Willie, Mitch and Matty as ready to sell farm commodities.

A farmer plants his crops, grows them to maturity, the sells them off, rinse wash repeat every year. The famer does not fall in love with his crop, just because he has the best crop, he does not keep them past maturity, spending more money than the return on investment would suggest you should, just to keep them around, he knows when to cultivate. Its the Tampa bay Rays school of asset management. When they get costly, trade for high end cheap talent.

All three have reached maturity, if they are picked now and sold, would easily get a package of 9 to 12 quality players, picks, controllable contracts on team friendly contracts.

Players received in the PLD trade:

Iafallo (29 yrs old) 14 goals (third line minutes)
Vilardi (23 yrs old) 23 goals (third line minutes)
Kupari (23 yrs old) 3 goals (4th line minutes)

Dubois 27 goals

So they traded 27 goals for 40 goals, Vilardi and Kupari have room to grow as they are only 23. Pretty killer deal for Winterpeg. That is a 1.48 multiplier on goals, if that math was used for Mitch (30), Willie (40) and Matty (40), 110 goals out ---- 165 goals return.

Trade Marner for 40 goal scorer Kempe and Nylander for 86 point Keller.

Combined salary of Kempe and Keller, 12.5 million. Mitch Marner, 11 million.
Marner can play with Dubois in LA.

Pretty much leaves you Nylander’s entire salary to put into the D remake.