Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Boxscore]

Shanny = Gary Betman and the NHL office runs the Leafs by stealth. I can't be sure but the one thing that stands out was we were the test platform for NuHockey (Soft hockey).

I think you're giving Bettman too much credit for the Leafs lack of success. If Bettman and the NHL truly wanted to use the Leafs as a beta test for soft hockey, we would have been gifted tons of PPs, and put in manufactured positions to win, like the Pens were post-lockout. Florida and Vegas were both extremely gritty teams and made it to the Cup. And we spent the offseason shopping for Reaves, Domi, and Bertuzzi. If Bettman was behind the soft hockey grand plan, Treliving didn't get the memo. You can blame soft hockey 100% on Dubas.

 

[thewave]

I think you're giving Bettman too much credit for the Leafs lack of success. If Bettman and the NHL truly wanted to use the Leafs as a beta test for soft hockey, we would have been gifted tons of PPs, and put in manufactured positions to win, like the Pens were post-lockout. Florida and Vegas were both extremely gritty teams and made it to the Cup. And we spent the offseason shopping for Reaves, Domi, and Bertuzzi. If Bettman was behind the soft hockey grand plan, Treliving didn't get the memo. You can blame soft hockey 100% on Dubas.

Fair enough. I think there was an element of NuHockey coming down from Shanny though as well. He obviously agreed with the vision to an extent.

 

[Boxscore]

Fair enough. I think there was an element of NuHockey coming down from Shanny though as well. He obviously agreed with the vision to an extent.

Shanny, absolutely. Dubas dazzled Shanny with his vision of soft, Ice Capades hockey in Toronto. Shanny bought, and now he has a cupboard full of snake oil to show for it.

 

[Squiffy]

Far more interested in this contract than AM’s. If they have a way forward with him under 10m then get it done. Taverns is off the books by the time MM has a new deal, work those numbers forward.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Tavares WAS the Isles while he was there, he was the driving only driving force they had, and he single handedly got them into the playoffs a few years.
if JT wasnt as important as he was, they wouldnt still be booing him every time he touches the puck. Its more than just the snub, his leaving took them from being an actual contender to being nothing more than a spoiler team if they get a lucky bounce.
They still havent recovered from his leaving.
If he had resigned, they would have been a contender, but without, they are maybe a playoff team.

They have made 2 more Conf. Finals since JT left than the Leafs. Of course, now Lou is struggling to get them back.

 

[ToDavid]

NYI won one round with him and missed the playoffs most years. The best years they’ve had were right after he left. The Leafs were on the rise until he arrived in Toronto and it’s been a stinky mess since.

Overhauled their coaching, got fantastic goaltending, and overpaid some aging guys in an attempt to hang on. They did better in the short term than most predicted, credit where it’s due, but everyone could see it was a ticking time bomb. They’ve been desperate for scoring since he left.

 

[Nineteen67]

Overhauled their coaching, got fantastic goaltending, and overpaid some aging guys in an attempt to hang on. They did better in the short term than most predicted, credit where it’s due, but everyone could see it was a ticking time bomb. They’ve been desperate for scoring since he left.

They had a small window and took a chance. The Leafs are two or three years away from a window.

 

[ToDavid]

They had a small window and took a chance. The Leafs are two or three years away from a window.

Well that’s absurd.

 

[Nineteen67]

Well that’s absurd.

You think it’s further out but with expiring contracts they have a chance if they use the money properly.

 

[horner]

Mathews at 13.5
Willy won't take less than 10.5 mil from us

He will take less with others teams.

We need to trade him.

 

[Peace Frog]

It always surprised me that a rugged former player like Shanny, would have ever bought into the full out finesse game. Him of all people should realize the importance of having grit, not just in your lineup, but in the CORE of your lineup.

Trading Willy sounds like a forgone conclusion, by the sounds of it. BT has brought in some gritty guys, but still needs to change the core of this team. Imo, whatever we get in return for Nylander if he’s traded, needs to be a core level guy with some sandpaper and a high compete level.

 

[jaric1862]

Aho 8 years at 9.75. I’d take Nylander at or close to that number

 

[KPower]

Aho 8 years at 9.75. I’d take Nylander at or close to that number

Aho is a centre and better overall player. No way should Willie get 9.8.

 

[IPS]

I love how market value is proving to be nowhere near what some of these people thought it was.

Nylander over $10M is and always was batshit lunacy. I don't give a f*** about some stupid internal cap or anything. Aho is VASTLY SUPERIOR as a player to Nylander and not even he could get $10M as a 2-way elite #1C.

It's INSANE how much Dubas damaged the payscale of everything here.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Mathews at 13.5
Willy won't take less than 10.5 mil from us

He will take less with others teams.

We need to trade him.

All pure speculation.

 

[IPS]

Aho 8 years at 9.75. I’d take Nylander at or close to that number

You mean a million less?

 

[notDatsyuk]

It always surprised me that a rugged former player like Shanny, would have ever bought into the full out finesse game. Him of all people should realize the importance of having grit, not just in your lineup, but in the CORE of your lineup.

Trading Willy sounds like a forgone conclusion, by the sounds of it. BT has brought in some gritty guys, but still needs to change the core of this team. Imo, whatever we get in return for Nylander if he’s traded, needs to be a core level guy with some sandpaper and a high compete level.

Willy isn't the one we should trade, but likely the only one we can trade, thanks to Dubas and his NMCs and NTCs.

I wonder if he finally realized that he had put himself and the team in an impossible position, and deliberately got himself fired.

 

[Burnie97]

With Aho being a C and having an overall better career so far (points per game) etc... Nylander should be right around 9.25 tops.

If he can't sign at the number then he should be traded. It's his right to ask for as much as he can but I wouldn't be going anywhere past that.

You'll never win any trade with him and he is a good player but time to figure out a deal or move him.

 

[IPS]

With Aho being a C and having an overall better career so far (points per game) etc... Nylander should be right around 9.25 tops.

If he can't sign at the number then he should be traded. It's his right to ask for as much as he can but I wouldn't be going anywhere past that.

You'll never win any trade with him and he is a good player but time to figure out a deal or move him.

Aho at $9.75 should actually be the nail in the coffin for Nylander ever getting over $9M if we're talking about what's really market value.

Aho gives you Nylander's production (or better) while providing the prescence of an elite 2-way #1C. These players aren't comparable. Carolina is a strict defensive system and Aho doesn't have another super elite player to play with, he does amazing with what he's given. He's honestly probably worth $2M more than Nylander and about ~1Mish less than Marner.

 

[Stephen]

Aho at $9.75 should actually be the nail in the coffin for Nylander ever getting over $9M if we're talking about what's really market value.

Aho gives you Nylander's production (or better) while providing the prescence of an elite 2-way #1C. These players aren't comparable. Carolina is a strict defensive system and Aho doesn't have another super elite player to play with, he does amazing with what he's given. He's honestly probably worth $2M more than Nylander and about ~1Mish less than Marner.

I don’t think Aho getting $9.75 million on a normal franchise has much bearing on Nylander’s ask. Regardless of production or position. Our Golden Generation has its own internal salary logic.

 

[IPS]

I don’t think Aho getting $9.75 million on a normal franchise has much bearing on Nylander’s ask. Regardless of production or position. Our Golden Generation has its own internal salary logic.

Yeah, and that internal salary logic is basically going to doom this team beyond next year if Treliving doesn't do anything about it.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Seems like Nylander should be signing an almost identical deal to Aho:

He had a better year last year, but overall, they are almost the exact same player just one plays C.

You can see the weights I used at the bottom, since results last year are more relevant than previous years.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Nylander at a 9.88 AAV on a long term deal would be reasonable.

 

[IPS]

Nylander at a 9.88 AAV on a long term deal would be reasonable.

You'd still have to explain to me why we're paying a 1-way scoring winger as much as an elite 2-way #1C when the production is basically a wash (actually an edge to Aho over the long-term).

 

[notDatsyuk]

With Aho being a C and having an overall better career so far (points per game) etc... Nylander should be right around 9.25 tops.

If he can't sign at the number then he should be traded. It's his right to ask for as much as he can but I wouldn't be going anywhere past that.

You'll never win any trade with him and he is a good player but time to figure out a deal or move him.

Not only has Aho played on the top line all but his first season, but averages more ice time, ES ice time, and PP ice time than Nylander.

Aho leads in goals per 60, but Willy leads in points per 60, both all ice time and at 5v5.

You may not win a trade with him, but you'll likely get closer to a win than trading either Marner or Tavares (and yes, I know they have NTCs).