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Burnie97 said:
With Aho being a C and having an overall better career so far (points per game) etc... Nylander should be right around 9.25 tops.

If he can't sign at the number then he should be traded. It's his right to ask for as much as he can but I wouldn't be going anywhere past that.

You'll never win any trade with him and he is a good player but time to figure out a deal or move him.
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That's about where I've seen this from the start. $9.2 for Willy. Hopefully it gets done close to this.
Agree that he'll need to be traded if we can't get him there, but I also understand his perspective, that why should he sign there, if Matthews is asking for $13.5. I wish they'd announce Matthews in the mid/low $12 mil range, and get Nylander in at $9. $13.5 for Matty, and there isn't really any reason Nylander shouldn't want his piece of the pie here. Matty's contract in particular, sets the tone of the room, and the teams future going forward.
 
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Fogelhund said:
That's about where I've seen this from the start. $9.2 for Willy. Hopefully it gets done close to this.
Agree that he'll need to be traded if we can't get him there, but I also understand his perspective, that why should he sign there, if Matthews is asking for $13.5. I wish they'd announce Matthews in the mid/low $12 mil range, and get Nylander in at $9. $13.5 for Matty, and there isn't really any reason Nylander shouldn't want his piece of the pie here. Matty's contract in particular, sets the tone of the room, and the teams future going forward.
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Anything over 70m total is an overpayment for Nylander.
 
IPS said:
You'd still have to explain to me why we're paying a 1-way scoring winger as much as an elite 2-way #1C when the production is basically a wash (actually an edge to Aho over the long-term).
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I'm just being realistic based on the internal salary cap structure of the team for the core players. That's the lowest figure I can see Nylander and his camp accepting in comparison to Matthews' and Marner's contracts.

When Tavares is off the books, it will be manageable and the contract should age well if Nylander can maintain his production last season.
 
A1LeafNation said:
Anything over 70m total is an overpayment for Nylander.
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I mean... $9.2 is $73.6 mil.

I don't think $8.75 is realistic at all.

At $8.75 he's 9.9% of the cap... comparables at that are.

Couture 10.1% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Horvat 10.3% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Hertl 10.0% -> 0.87 PPG prior three years before signing

But you expect Nylander will come in lower, with 0.98 PPG his prior three years?
 
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IPS said:
You'd still have to explain to me why we're paying a 1-way scoring winger as much as an elite 2-way #1C when the production is basically a wash (actually an edge to Aho over the long-term).
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I'm not so sure about this 'elite 2-way #1C'. PPG last season was 31st among centers. 16th in goals, but barely made the top 60 in assists. His plus 8 was only the sixth best among forwards on his own team (by contrast, Matty's +31 led the Leafs).

Long term maybe a slight edge over Willy, but last year? not by a long shot! Willy even beat him in +/-, despite playing with the worst defensive forward.
 
Players and Agents look at take home pay. We all know there are a lot of American teams that have no state tax etc

What Aho is taking home may be more the what Nylander takes home.

Similar players even tho the Canes seem better defensively and Aho probably gets more pp time.

If we made Nylander our 3rd line center…would that justify the same take home pay? Numbers are similar over the last 3 yrs.

Just saw this….will help with contract negotiations

 
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Stephen said:
I think we may take a step back in 2024-25, but the window is open again come 2025-26 when John Tavares' contract is off the books.
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Yep, probably.

The rising cap will pay for Matthews and Nylander's raises next year. Best case scenario is Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg all play well enough for some small raises and make an impact. Brodie leaving pays for that or their replacemrnts, but they take a step back defensively.

Then they have 11M plus the rising cap in 2025/2026 for a 2C and to pour into the defence.
 
Fogelhund said:
I mean... $9.2 is $73.6 mil.

I don't think $8.75 is realistic at all.

At $8.75 he's 9.9% of the cap... comparables at that are.

Couture 10.1% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Horvat 10.3% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Hertl 10.0% -> 0.87 PPG prior three years before signing

But you expect Nylander will come in lower, with 0.98 PPG his prior three years?
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Cool so Kevin Fiala deal. Sign me up.

FYI centers aren't a good comparable.
 
A1LeafNation said:
Cool so Kevin Fiala deal. Sign me up.

FYI centers aren't a good comparable.
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Most of the people in the comparables, at a cap hit ~10% are C's. Not a lot of wingers there.. quite a few, higher up... and of course lower.

Based on what I've seen, 9.2 mil would be a good number for us.... and matches comparables... but it would probably take Matty doing a 12.x type deal.... I don't blame Nylander really. He put up the same number of goals and more points as Matty, and I get the C position.. but to make $4 mil less??? Who would do that?
 
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Fogelhund said:
I mean... $9.2 is $73.6 mil.

I don't think $8.75 is realistic at all.

At $8.75 he's 9.9% of the cap... comparables at that are.

Couture 10.1% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Horvat 10.3% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Hertl 10.0% -> 0.87 PPG prior three years before signing

But you expect Nylander will come in lower, with 0.98 PPG his prior three years?
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Those comparable don't sit right with me. Calgary had an extremely high-scoring winger hit free agency last year and he managed to get a $9.75M x 7 contract for leading the league in ES scoring and having 115 points.

Those centerman you listed are different comparable who play different roles for their team. Nobody's relying on Nylander for any defensive role, let alone at center.
 
IPS said:
Those comparable don't sit right with me. Calgary had an extremely high-scoring winger hit free agency last year and he managed to get a $9.75M x 7 contract for leading the league in ES scoring and having 115 points.

Those centerman you listed are different comparable who play different roles for their team. Nobody's relying on Nylander for any defensive role, let alone at center.
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Huberdeau got $10.5 million, not $9.75 mil. It was 12.73% of the cap. It was also 8 years, not 7.

We are talking about Nylander getting $10-10.5% of the cap. Substantially different figures here.

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Da Mash said:
Players and Agents look at take home pay. We all know there are a lot of American teams that have no state tax etc

What Aho is taking home may be more the what Nylander takes home.

Similar players even tho the Canes seem better defensively and Aho probably gets more pp time.

If we made Nylander our 3rd line center…would that justify the same take home pay? Numbers are similar over the last 3 yrs.

Just saw this….will help with contract negotiations

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Aho gets more ES and PP time. Goals at a higher rate but assists a fair bit lower.

Willy does it at 2RW - no need to drop him to 3C - just move him over to 2C.
 
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Jamason said:
I'm not so sure about this 'elite 2-way #1C'. PPG last season was 31st among centers. 16th in goals, but barely made the top 60 in assists. His plus 8 was only the sixth best among forwards on his own team (by contrast, Matty's +31 led the Leafs).

Long term maybe a slight edge over Willy, but last year? not by a long shot! Willy even beat him in +/-, despite playing with the worst defensive forward.
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He's also been making 1.5mm more per season than Nylander and resides in a low tax rate state.
 
just catching up on all the hockey news. Did you guys see Aho's 8 year deal 9.75M AAV

Marner and Nylander can F-OFF with their greed.

I am so freakin' PISSED

And on that note add in Matthews too who wants the world for short term when Mack jsut signed a reasonable deal for 8 years after winning the cup

I really hate dubas and the precedent he set here.

Treliving right the freakin' ship man
 
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Daily Reminder:

1) Anything 9+ for Nylander is an overpayment
2) Matthews should not get a penny more than 13 AAV (only if 8 years); if short term deal he should not get more than 12 AAV
3) Marner should not get even a penny more than his current contract (only if 8 years); if short term deal he will have to take a pay cut
 
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PromisedLand said:
just catching up on all the hockey news. Did you guys see Aho's 8 year deal 9.75M AAV

Marner and Nylander can F-OFF with their greed.

I am so freakin' PISSED

And on that note add in Matthews too who wants the world for short term when Mack jsut signed a reasonable deal for 8 years after winning the cup

I really hate dubas and the precedent he set here.

Treliving right the freakin' ship man
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Matthews >>> Aho

Marner >> Aho

Aho == Nylander

Not every elite player is the same.
 
Fogelhund said:
I mean... $9.2 is $73.6 mil.

I don't think $8.75 is realistic at all.

At $8.75 he's 9.9% of the cap... comparables at that are.

Couture 10.1% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Horvat 10.3% -> 0.73 PPG prior three years before signing
Hertl 10.0% -> 0.87 PPG prior three years before signing

But you expect Nylander will come in lower, with 0.98 PPG his prior three years?
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8.75 x 8 = 70 million

on 7 year deal it is 10 million; Nylander won't get 10 million as a UFA

Treliving would be an idiot to offer anything more than 9 to Nylander on the 8 year deal. Period!

8.5 to 8.8 AAV on 8 year deal should be the max depending on Nylander's signing bonuses; front loading and NTC/NMC asks

notbias said:
Matthews >>> Aho

Marner >> Aho

Aho == Nylander

Not every elite player is the same.
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LMAO

WRONG!!!

Aho played in the conference finals, PKs and is a #1C for the canes.

I am not having discussion with dubas fan who on purpose inflates salaries of the players at the detriment of this team
 
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A1LeafNation said:
Cool so Kevin Fiala deal. Sign me up.

FYI centers aren't a good comparable.
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Let's look at right wingers then.

75 have played 60% (132 games) or more over the last three seasons.

Of those 75, only four (Marner, Rantanen, Pastrnak, and Kane) have a higher PPG. Only two (Rantanen and Pastrnak) have more ES goals. He's 7th in 5v5 goals and points per 60, while being the only one of the top ones playing largely on the second line.

Marner signed in 2019 for $10.9M x 6.
Rantanen signed in 2019 for $9.25M x 6.
Pastrnak signed in 2023 for $11.25M x 8.

The others with higher points per 60 are Stone, Tarasenko, and Tuch.

Stone signed in 2019 for $9.5M x 8.
Tarasenko signed in 2015 for $7.5M x 8.
Tuch signed in 2018 for $4.75M x 7.

Other than Tuch, which looks like a steal, and the unsigned Tarasenko, they are all making a lot more than $8.75M, and except for the newly signed Pastrnak, have been for several years.

Do you think $8.75M for Willy is realistic?

Edit: missed Kane. In 2018 he signed for $7M x 7. Bit of an oddity because of his off-ice issues.
 
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PromisedLand said:
8.75 x 8 = 70 million

on 7 year deal it is 10 million; Nylander won't get 10 million as a UFA

Treliving would be an idiot to offer anything more than 9 to Nylander on the 8 year deal. Period!

8.5 to 8.8 AAV on 8 year deal should be the max depending on Nylander's signing bonuses; front loading and NTC/NMC asks



LMAO

WRONG!!!

Aho played in the conference finals, PKs and is a #1C for the canes.

I am not having discussion with dubas fan who on purpose inflates salaries of the players at the detriment of this team
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Aho got swept in the conference finals and put up 2 assists in 4 games against Florida than any of our stars.

WRONG!!!! LMAO
 
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PromisedLand said:
Canes have won more "rounds" than the Leafs and have been one of the top team in the league.

Dubas philosophy needs to get outta here. NO MORE BS.

TEAM FIRST!
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Each team has the same amount of third-round wins, the Canes are not really the best example of success, but keep moving the goalposts.

Aho is closer to Nylander level than Marner
 
notbias said:
Each team has the same amount of third-round wins, the Canes are not really the best example of success, but keep moving the goalposts.

Aho is closer to Nylander level than Marner
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Wrong! Aho is a center!

you can tell from the roof tops but it would make it so.


Good thing we don’t have a snake oil salesman incompetent person at the helm valuing these things as same.
 
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