Nylander - In round 2 doing his thing.

[ZEBROA]

There he plays for his country and isnt paid. Here....he chases the $. Either way we've seen what he can do ....1 game on, 3 games indifferent. We need committed players that give it 100%. Look at ROR and McDavid for example....they never take a day off. Even AM is playing like he'd prefer to be in the US....we'll never win with indifferent players esp ones that take up so much of the cap.

He play a lot better with players that can keep up with him. When he has to slow down and play in Tavares pace he cant play to his strenghts.

He has not had many games off this season. Only when it started to not matter anymore(and he got juggled like a skittle between different lines) .

You will never fill a team with players that never have a bad day at work.

Nylander has not been managed in a way to get full potential out of him. He is fourth or fifth in line and coached in that way.

They can scratch him as long as we win.But i think we are better with him.

 

[Mess]

Nylander might be tougher to re-sign then people think..

He always gets include in the core 4 and produces similarly to them, but financially he gets screwed over by the other 3 earning $11 mil while he earned $7.

With Matthews and Marner expect raises, Leafs are going to try and save again on Nylander.

If you put yourself in Willy's shoes why should he take millions less than his own teammates if statistically he produces similar?

Of the core 4 Nylander is the most liklely to test the market and let that help determine his next salary. IMO

 

[Arzak]

Nylander might be tougher to re-sign then people think..

He always gets include in the core 4 and produces similarly to them, but financially he gets screwed over by the other 3 earning $11 mil while he earned $7.

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With Matthews and Marner expect raises, Leafs are going to try and save again on Nylander.

If you put yourself in Willy's shoes why should he take millions less than his own teammates if statistically he produces similar?

Of the core 4 Nylander is the most liklely to test the market and let that help determine his next salary. IMO

I hope not, Nylander is buddy with Pasta, they played together in Sweden. I'd hate to see him in the division.

Resign him.

 

[keonsbitterness]

If they go out 1st round you trade the 3 amigos for a haul because they cant/wont get us to the Cup. You start fresh with all the picks/players they get + the new Coach & Mgmt. They've had multiple chances....time to cut bait.

The imaginary big haul, because bottom feeder teams are desperate to give up a mix of their best prospects and potential top-5 picks for one player.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Nylander might be tougher to re-sign then people think..

He always gets include in the core 4 and produces similarly to them, but financially he gets screwed over by the other 3 earning $11 mil while he earned $7.

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With Matthews and Marner expect raises, Leafs are going to try and save again on Nylander.

If you put yourself in Willy's shoes why should he take millions less than his own teammates if statistically he produces similar?

Of the core 4 Nylander is the most liklely to test the market and let that help determine his next salary. IMO

I think production wise Matthews and Marner have still historically been in a different category than Nylander, although he closed the gap this year. He was on pace for near 100 points and I think he would have hit 90-95 had he played all season with Matthews.

He's really only (arguably) better than JT, but he was UFA so theres a premium on his salary. I think $10M is max for him, but would be nice to see him at something like $9.5M. Marner really shouldn't get a significant raise and Matthews didn't show me anything this year that screams "I'm a $13M+ player"

 

[pcruz]

The thing with Willie is there is almost always more to give.

He rarely gives it all on any given play.

More frustrating is that he tends to give less going back.

When he's moving his feet, the guy is amazing.
But when he's gliding out there, he's a massive liability.

It's the yo yo that's frustrating more than anything else.

If he puts in a consistent effort, he's worth 9.5 or more.

As is, 7 is as much as I'd pay him.

Despite his fantastic season.

 

[TakeTheBody]

Appreciate him? Finally.

 

[ULF_55]

The thing with Willie is there is almost always more to give.

He rarely gives it all on any given play.

More frustrating is that he tends to give less going back.

When he's moving his feet, the guy is amazing.
But when he's gliding out there, he's a massive liability.

It's the yo yo that's frustrating more than anything else.

If he puts in a consistent effort, he's worth 9.5 or more.

As is, 7 is as much as I'd pay him.

Despite his fantastic season.

I think they'll offer much more than that, but it might not come down to money.

He may want to move where he is appreciated.

 

[notDatsyuk]

There he plays for his country and isnt paid. Here....he chases the $. Either way we've seen what he can do ....1 game on, 3 games indifferent. We need committed players that give it 100%. Look at ROR and McDavid for example....they never take a day off. Even AM is playing like he'd prefer to be in the US....we'll never win with indifferent players esp ones that take up so much of the cap.

You may be right - he's our best player I the playoffs, when he isn't getting paid.

I'm not sure why you lump him in with the three overpaid players when he's actually underpaid.

 

[geo25]

You may be right - he's our best player I the playoffs, when he isn't getting paid.

I'm not sure why you lump him in with the three overpaid players when he's actually underpaid.

Because we need a total culture change. And lets not forget what he did at the last set of negotiations...
He'll squeeze us for every dime

 

[pcruz]

I think they'll offer much more than that, but it might not come down to money.

He may want to move where he is appreciated.

The one attribute that's is always, universally appreciated is effort.

Guys like Kovalev and Daigle have come and gone. They could have been so much more, but they only played when they felt like it.



However, all this is, as Mr. Tribiani would say, a moo point.

I think Dubas is gone this summer and with him goes the under-the-table guarantee.

 

[IPS]

Nylander might be tougher to re-sign then people think..

He always gets include in the core 4 and produces similarly to them, but financially he gets screwed over by the other 3 earning $11 mil while he earned $7.

View attachment 693993

With Matthews and Marner expect raises, Leafs are going to try and save again on Nylander.

If you put yourself in Willy's shoes why should he take millions less than his own teammates if statistically he produces similar?

Of the core 4 Nylander is the most liklely to test the market and let that help determine his next salary. IMO

Playoff time - the perfect time to talk about how the Leafs can't sign their players!

 

[Menzinger]

I think they'll offer much more than that, but it might not come down to money.

He may want to move where he is appreciated.

I'd agree with this. We know his likely expected salary range based on comparisons, an it won't be terribly hard for the Leafs to find the money and offer it to him. But Nylander may be drawn to an opportunity where he can play more of a leading role than as a second line/opportunity situation.

Still, I'd say fortunately the safe bet is he's likely extended this summer

 

[Gallagbi]

Playoff time - the perfect time to talk about how the Leafs can't sign their players!

Chicken Little at it again

 

[ULF_55]

The one attribute that's is always, universally appreciated is effort.

Guys like Kovalev and Daigle have come and gone. They could have been so much more, but they only played when they felt like it.



However, all this is, as Mr. Tribiani would say, a moo point.

I think Dubas is gone this summer and with him goes the under-the-table guarantee.

So Nylander might be worried he'll get an extra couple million when traded to a team not on his NTC?

He won't get paid for effort, it will be for results. In the playoffs he scores like Matthews.

 

[pcruz]

Can anyone imagine Nylander with the on ice effort of Kerfoot?

He would be a 40-60-100 player every year.

Has by a good margin the best skating on the team.
Has the 2nd best shot on the team.
Has nearly the same kind of play making ability of Marner.
Is bigger and stronger than Marner.


The technical and physical attributes are all there for a superstar player.

If only someone could unlock in him.

 

[ULF_55]

Can anyone imagine Nylander with the on ice effort of Kerfoot?

He would be a 40-60-100 player every year.

Has by a good margin the best skating on the team.
Has the 2nd best shot on the team.
Has nearly the same kind of play making ability of Marner.
Is bigger and stronger than Marner.


The technical and physical attributes are all there for a superstar player.

If only someone could unlock in him.

Be interesting to see who runs the room ... glass ceiling?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Because we need a total culture change. And lets not forget what he did at the last set of negotiations...
He'll squeeze us for every dime

According to most reports, he gave in during that negotiation.

 

[pcruz]

Be interesting to see who runs the room ... glass ceiling?

Have you ever watched Good Will Hunting?

This is a case of the 200 IQ kid who chooses to work manual labour jobs.

There's nothing wrong with working those jobs, of course.

But it sometimes takes someone to explain that when you have that 200 IQ, you're short changing yourself by not going for more challenging endeavors.

 

[ITM]

Nylander might be tougher to re-sign then people think..

He always gets include in the core 4 and produces similarly to them, but financially he gets screwed over by the other 3 earning $11 mil while he earned $7.

View attachment 693993

With Matthews and Marner expect raises, Leafs are going to try and save again on Nylander.

If you put yourself in Willy's shoes why should he take millions less than his own teammates if statistically he produces similar?

Of the core 4 Nylander is the most liklely to test the market and let that help determine his next salary. IMO

I already proposed making Nylander the bar at 11.5%. It accords for obvious reasons. If the other two fail to see why, I say pound sand.

I fail to see (especially from revision) how his contract signed then screws or screwed him over now. That’s poisoning the well.

Forecasting Toronto trying to “screw” Nylander over I think is peculiar wishful clickbait thinking or a divorce from the obvious restructuring that will take place.

We will and we can only made sense in a pre-Covid world. I think Dubas has learned quickly that that scenario can never happen again.

Wishful thinking as that may be.

 

[IPS]

Chicken Little at it again

Chicken little with a bit of poor timing however. The big guns have lit up the scoreboard the last 2 games so why not talk about how we can't afford them?! God forbid you ever take a day to appreciate them for once

 

[Superstar]

Willy's going to get $9.5 million per somewhere.

 

[ITM]

I think they'll offer much more than that, but it might not come down to money.

He may want to move where he is appreciated.

Which is why if I were GM, I start with his contract, make him (and inform him) the bar (@11.5%) and proceed to the other contracts come what may.

 

[al secord]

Plant him and grow a whole field of Willy's .

 

[ULF_55]

Have you ever watched Good Will Hunting?

This is a case of the 200 IQ kid who chooses to work manual labour jobs.

There's nothing wrong with working those jobs, of course.

But it sometimes takes someone to explain that when you have that 200 IQ, you're short changing yourself by not going for more challenging endeavors.

That might be short changing society, but really one life enjoy it. At most family cares about you when you're gone, and that's like 2 generations at most.

Ultimate achievement is happiness.