Nylander - In round 2 doing his thing.

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What do we do with Nylander?

  • Re-sign

  • Trade

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So was he the biggest reason we did loose?

On a list of reasons i think he is pretty long down.
He was really long down the list.
While not perfect, even if he had a perfect game it would amount to putting lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig of a team. The bottom 2 lines weren't even caved...they were nuked along with Holl and to a lesser extent Gio.
I however will give gio the benefit of the doubt and attribute his numbers to the shrapnel he took playing with Holl.
 
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Problem is that Bunting is limited defensively and would fit less perfectly on the lower lines. If Matthews and Marner are together, they have d chops covered. If Willy is with Matthews, then I would agree that Jarnkrok is a better choice because you don't want Matthews carrying the defensive burdens himself. It would be a waste.
Sure but he would be on a sheltered 3rd line with Tavares. Going against the bottom pairing of the Bolts and 3rd and 4th lines. The last thing the Leafs need is Bunting getting a penalty called while Matthews and Marner are doing their thing. He doesn't hit, he wasn't even a 50 point player this year with those guys and he's not good at defence like you said.

Bunting doesn't really add anything to that line, he's just a guy riding their coattails. I'd rather put an actual weapon like Jarnkrok's shot so the Bolts can't overload to Matthews when Marner has the puck.
 
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The Cirelli line is tilting the ice against Matthews, doesnt seem to matter who he is with. I'd like to spread our offensive weapons more so that they can't all be shut down at once. Nylander can't play with Matthews this series. He doesnt have the hustle to compete with Hagel - cirelli - kilorn.

Jarnkrok - O'Reilly - Marner
Bunting - Matthews - Knies
Kerfoot - Tavares - Nylander
ZAR - Kampf - Acciari
 
It's not about where he will play best. It's about finding a way to boost as many good players as possible. ROR's line was getting caved. I really don't care if you put Marner or Nylander there but Nylander ROR and Knies looked good. Willy provide a snipe when the other 2 are digging the puck from the wall. Willy also gets pretty good complementary speed to do his thing. Knies can skate.
JT needs to anchor a line without trying up top scorers. Kerfoot and Jarnkrok should provide the defensive support he needs.
Exactly this, it is about icing the best possible team and not catering a star by providing linemates that will improve their individual numbers. Individual numbers mean nothing - it is a team game.

Look at the bruins a league best 305 goals and a league best goals against 177. They have one guy in the top 60 point getters in the league (cut off was 70 pts) But they have 8 guys with 50+ pts. Only one guy with 30 goals but led the league in goals. Team results have to come first for everybody.
 
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I'd replace Jarnkrok with Bunting but yeah. JT kills the offence of whoever is on his line. He's slow and prone to tunnel vision. Jarnkrok works well with Matthews.

Thing about JT is that when he's not scoring or producing, he's still doing other things - face offs, hits, etc.

There can be no passengers who don't do anything, so either they're scoring or doing something else that is positive.

Problem is that Bunting is limited defensively and would fit less perfectly on the lower lines. If Matthews and Marner are together, they have d chops covered. If Willy is with Matthews, then I would agree that Jarnkrok is a better choice because you don't want Matthews carrying the defensive burdens himself. It would be a waste.

Jarnkrok is a shooter.
Nylander is a shooter.
Matthews is a shooter.

I call them me-first players.

Marner is a you-first player as his first instinct is to pass it off to a shooter.

This is what has made the 2 players so strong together, and why JT works well with him as well, as Tavares is also a shooter.

I think that when he's at the top of his game, Nylander is absolutely amazing, but when he's not, he becomes a liability.

Why?

He becomes more narrow minded and wants to score thinking that is what will break him out of the slump.
Truth is that he's only in a slump when he's not moving and not moving the puck.

Willie needs to score, or defend well, or play physically in order to be useful on the top line.

He isn't the type of player to defend well or be physical, so he has to produce offensively.

That doesn't mean he has to score goals, it could be as simple as looking for the best goal scorer in the league once in a while and deferring to him instead of going at it alone so often.

Last night he wasn't poor, but he also wasn't visible. That's not good enough.

I think 58 draws in for 19 and that 16 sees time with 34 and 91, 88 swaps between 34, 91, and 90 going forward.

At this point, Knies is doing the little things much better than Nylander.
That's just not acceptable from such a great player.
 
Good luck getting two studs for WIllie alone.
That is true and here is the problem. Even if you could look into the future, Willy is a top10 draft pick. With the lottery system in place, it is unlikely teams would unprotect a 1st round pick to trade with a package.
It is very unlikely you get the same value back and one that is deferred to produce in a timeline of years.
 
That is true and here is the problem. Even if you could look into the future, Willy is a top10 draft pick. With the lottery system in place, it is unlikely teams would unprotect a 1st round pick to trade with a package.
It is very unlikely you get the same value back and one that is deferred to produce in a timeline of years.
Agree with your take on draft picks. The way I see it is we are on win now mode, so if I can get a top 5 #1 goalie and 30+ goal scorer to replace Willie, I am doing it every day and twice of Sunday. Some would not it seems.
 
People think he was really good last night but i noticed he didn't battle hard enough without the puck. Maybe because he's an offensive player he gets off so easy here but i was irritated by it and you can bet the coaching staff was as well.
 
People think he was really good last night but i noticed he didn't battle hard enough without the puck. Maybe because he's an offensive player he gets off so easy here but i was irritated by it and you can bet the coaching staff was as well.

Nylander was on cruise control most of the time and avoiding contact all of the time last night. I don't know how people are giving him a pass.

It is just the type of player he is.. one game he can take over and make a difference and the next he can be totally invisible. The only thing you can count on is he is poor defensively and soft.
 
Re-sign ROR. Move Nylander for the best 25 + minute D man we can find. Gio is getting older, Muzzin is done, upgrades are needed.

If there's a new front office in place this summer they may very well look to move guys like Nylander and maybe even Marner for older impact players similar to what the Flames tried with the Matthew Tkachuk trade
 
Re-sign ROR. Move Nylander for the best 25 + minute D man we can find. Gio is getting older, Muzzin is done, upgrades are needed.
Re-sign a 32 year old that's on the very tail end of his prime and move out a 26 year old who just put up his best year so far and is firmly in his prime.

Yeah that seems like a Leafs move alright.
 
Re-sign a 32 year old that's on the very tail end of his prime and move out a 26 year old who just put up his best year so far and is firmly in his prime.

Yeah that seems like a Leafs move alright.
Didn’t realize life was over at 32. Also have no interest in paying a 4th forward on this team 9-10 mil. Cause that’s just worked out sooooo well to date. You could get 2-3 guys for that price and/or maybe a quality 25-30 minute a night D.
 

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