Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[Horse McHindu]

LMAO, how is it beneficial for the Leafs? Eriksson has negative value, and for quite some time into the future.

Leafs reduce their cap space and get a guy that would likely produce very well alongside Tavares or Matthews.

 

[Dustin]

Loui Eriksson for William Nylander is beneficial for both hockey teams.

It sure is and since we are being so nice to each other the loss of Eriksson's defence would be too much for Vancouver to handle so we'll send you Zaitsev for the low low cost of Pettersson.

 

[nabob]

What is your goal here? Just to derail the conversation?

No I was having a discussion, about hypothetical situations regarding Nylander (hypotheticals which YOU started), tough to do anything else since he isn’t signed or playing. Am I not allowed to post here? Or do you think you are the only one allowed to post of hypothetical situations? This is the main boards

Please try to stay on topic instead of attacking me.

 

[Horse McHindu]

It sure is and since we are being so nice to each other the loss of Eriksson's defence would be too much for Vancouver to handle so we'll send you Zaitsev for the low low cost of Pettersson.

That's ridiculous. Pettersson is worth far more than Zaitsev. Your post makes no sense.

 

[Confucius]

Leafs reduce their cap space and get a guy that would likely produce very well alongside Tavares or Matthews.

paying 6 million for 24 points a year, and hes not getting younger. OM Gosh no!
and don't call me back...
lol

 

[Dustin]

That's ridiculous. Pettersson is worth far more than Zaitsev. Your post makes no sense.

Not really. Actually now that I think about it he would do so well with Tanev and would save the Canucks so much in Cap space as Pettersson is going to want a lot more than what Zaitsev is getting paid. A low pick from Vancouver should even it out I guess......

 

[Strangle]

No I was having a discussion. Am I not allowed to post here? This is the main boards.

Then have a discussion, don’t just be contrarian for the sake of it. Weak hypotheticals like that are not having a conversation, they are being argumentative.

 

[Go Wings]

This will probably get settled with a bridge deal in a week or 2.

 

[Steve]

So he is comparing himself to a player in Edmonton who is a) better and b) over paid. Thats the comparison apparently.

I hope they jus stop talking to his agent and let him sit for 3 months. He’s probably th 5-6th most valuable player on that team. He’s probably the 3rd most skilled but not irreplaceable.

Also if he gets $8 Marner will need $10.

 

[Dustin]

This will probably get settled with a bridge deal in a week or 2.

I'm wondering if the possibility of a lockout in 2020 is the sticking point on a bridge deal?

 

[Horse McHindu]

Not really. Actually now that I think about it he would do so well with Tanev and would save the Canucks so much in Cap space as Pettersson is going to want a lot more than what Zaitsev is getting paid. A low pick from Vancouver should even it out I guess......

Beggars can't be choosers. You guys need to move Nylander or you will lose him for nothing at some point. If you pay Nylander what he wants, you won't be able to afford both Matthews and Marner next year.

The Canucks would actually be doing the Leafs a favour by giving them Eriksson.

 

[nabob]

Then have a discussion, don’t just be contrarian for the sake of it. Weak hypotheticals like that are not having a conversation, they are being argumentative.

You’re the one who started with the weak hypotheticals.

Saying that Nylander might not perform well this season isn’t a weak hypothetical. Tons of players underperform after missing camp and the start of the season. Saying his trade value would be hurt if he did struggle isn’t a weak comment either.

How about you stick to making comments instead of trying to police everyone else on the Mains. Or better yet go back to your safe place on the Leafs boards, a place where no one would suggest such crazy things like Nylander struggling after holding out for all of camp and part of the season.

 

[Divine]

Freddy Andersen faced more shots than any other goalie in the league.

The Leafs gave up more shots than only a small handful of teams. Those are stats and facts. To pretend the Leafs defense isn't weak is to bury your head in the sand. It's not good. It's obvious. Open your eyes.

So facing shots now means a bad defence? How is that a fact? It's not like his save percentage was .940 or something. Heck, it wasn't even .920. Both Washington and Pittsburgh allowed more goals.

Also, when you look at SOG, you have to keep in mind some goalies play more than others.

 

[nabob]

I'm wondering if the possibility of a lockout in 2020 is the sticking point on a bridge deal?

It’s a pretty big factor that’s going to come into play for sure.

 

[Dustin]

Beggars can't be choosers. You guys need to move Nylander or you will lose him for nothing at some point. If you pay Nylander what he wants, you won't be able to afford both Matthews and Marner next year.

The Canucks would actually be doing the Leafs a favour by giving them Eriksson.

And how pray tell are we going to lose him?

 

[Confucius]

Beggars can't be choosers. You guys need to move Nylander or you will lose him for nothing at some point. If you pay Nylander what he wants, you won't be able to afford both Matthews and Marner next year.

The Canucks would actually be doing the Leafs a favour by giving them Eriksson.

that point is 5 years from now. do you think he will sit out that long?

 

[Horse McHindu]

And how pray tell are we going to lose him?

He'll sit out until his demands are met........which will force "Shanaplan's" hand.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Back then it wasn’t the same
story. Point is he took every nickle he could get. Now he’s telling Nylander to take less

So you say back then it wasn't the same story, but then try to paint it as if it's the same story? You're right, it wasn't the same situation. Shanahan was screwed way more.

At that point, Shanahan was a 2nd overall pick, a 30+ goals, 70+ point player who had 4 seasons in the NHL, and even with an offer sheet, he was making 20% of the league's top salary, and 40% of the league's stars. And because of the pay scale at the time, and the fact that he had essentially been paid nothing up to that point, Shanahan was fighting for his financial security in his first real contract. I wonder how much NJ was offering?

Nylander, a former 8th overall pick, a 20 goal, 60 point player who has 2 seasons in the NHL, based on the rumored proposed contract, would be making more than 50% of the league's top salary, and 60-70% of the league's stars. Actually, he'd be making even more, because his deal would likely be front-loaded to some extent. Nylander is not fighting for that same level of financial security.

Shanahan also gave up his chance to be on a Dynasty to do that, so maybe he has some perspective and insight on what things are really worth what, especially with even less chance these days of somehow magically ending up on a different Dynasty a few years later.

If anything, Shanahan's example should prove that for decades, RFAs have been paid less than "open market value" may dictate. It has only gotten better for RFAs.

 

[Dustin]

It’s a pretty big factor that’s going to come into play for sure.

I think it's just another layer that is making this signing a little more difficult.

 

[Dustin]

He'll sit out until his demands are met........which will force "Shanaplan's" hand.

Or the Leafs will just stand pat, force him to sit for the year and still not lose a UFA year and then have Nylander in the same position as the last year only now he hasn't played in the NHL in a year. Seems like that's another win win for Toronto.

 

[Divine]

He'll sit out until his demands are met........which will force "Shanaplan's" hand.

Losing him wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. The truth is signing Tavares made Nylander more expendable. Tavares > Nylander. A great chance to improve the defence. If Nylander is worth half as much as some of the posters are suggesting here, we'll get our #1D.

 

[Go Wings]

I'm wondering if the possibility of a lockout in 2020 is the sticking point on a bridge deal?

I heard it could be tough to say.

 

[nabob]

So you say back then it wasn't the same story, but then try to paint it as if it's the same story? You're right, it wasn't the same situation. Shanahan was screwed way more.

At that point, Shanahan was a 2nd overall pick, a 30+ goals, 70+ point player who had 4 seasons in the NHL, and even with an offer sheet, he was making 20% of the league's top salary, and 40% of the league's stars. And because of the pay scale at the time, and the fact that he had essentially been paid nothing up to that point, Shanahan was fighting for his financial security in his first real contract. I wonder how much NJ was offering?

Nylander, a former 8th overall pick, a 20 goal, 60 point player who has 2 seasons in the NHL, based on the rumored proposed contract, would be making more than 50% of the league's top salary, and 60-70% of the league's stars. Actually, he'd be making even more, because his deal would likely be front-loaded to some extent. Nylander is not fighting for that same level of financial security.

Shanahan also gave up his chance to be on a Dynasty to do that, so maybe he has some perspective and insight on what things are really worth what, especially with even less chance these days of somehow magically ending up on a different Dynasty a few years later.

If anything, Shanahan's example should prove that for decades, RFAs have been paid less than "open market value" may dictate. It has only gotten better for RFAs.

That’s neat, but anything Shanny says with respect to what Nylander or other Leafs should do is pointless and actually looks quite bad on him.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He has a Jeremy Roenick personality. Roenick was never THE ideal centepiece to build around, but the man sold tickets.

What? Where did you get this idea? Nylander is nothing like Roenick was.

He is pretty, but he actually has a pretty dull personality. Marner is the personality on the team.

 

[Dustin]

I heard it could be tough to say.

I think it just means both parties maybe willing to die on the long term contract sword as it benefits both parties for the lockout.