Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[Strangle]

You realize your answer in no way, shape or form determines how you have arrived at the conclusion that Tavares somehow has $3.2 million boost in his standard of living by signing in Toronto than he would in Tampa Bay.

In Tampa Bay he has no income tax plus he has the maximum amount of games played versus the Florida Panthers. Please, explain how he's somehow better off in Toronto, one of the most expensive cities in North America in terms of cost of living.

If this is what is on top of a player’s priority list, they are welcome to line up to play for Tampa.

This is what Shanahan meant when he said the team wants players who want to play in Toronto.

If you don’t want to play for the Leafs, no one is going to bat an eye. Plenty of players will want to play in Toronto especially as the wins start rolling in.

The idea is to create a desirable place to play, which is happening here. And it’s automatically an exclusive list, because there are only so many roster spots. The players who put hockey 1st are welcome, if anyone is worried about taxes more than that, they are welcome to play elsewhere.

 

[Chris P Hundo]

Would lower his value than if he was willing to sign long term at seven with the leafs tho. Nylander at 7 - 7.5 with 7 years would get you a better dman than a nylander at 8.1 x 4 .

True but you would be getting him back in the lineup for the Leafs, who knows how long he will hold out for. Im not a Leafs fan so I dont really care, would be nice if he held out as long as possible.

 

[FerrisRox]

If this is what is on top of a player’s priority list, they are welcome to line up to play for Tampa.

This is what Shanahan meant when he said the team wants players who want to play in Toronto.

If you don’t want to play for the Leafs, no one is going to bat an eye. Plenty of players will want to play in Toronto especially as the wins start rolling in.

The idea is to create a desirable place to play, which is happening here. And it’s automatically an exclusive list, because there are only so many roster spots. The players who put hockey 1st are welcome, if anyone is worried about taxes more than that, they are welcome to play elsewhere.

Will any of those people be defensemen?

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's funny how "endorsements" are brought up like only Toronto has them.

Marcus Kruger had endorsement deals when the Hawks we're winning Cups. Marcus friggin Kruger.

And how much were they worth?

Also, just because somebody got one in a major US city in the middle of a Dynasty, doesn't mean you can get one on every team, or that they are equal value.

 

[hector morrison]

Starting to think this is about more than money...hope I'm wrong!
Willy doesn't come from a poor background and 6.5 isn't all that much less than 7 or even 8 in the big picture! Yes he could cite it as a 'principled matter' but given it likely isn't his last contract and how well the Leafs are poised to make multiple cup runs.....The hell is the problem here? Something smells!

 

[Jake Barnes]

Look if all of these teams think that Nylander would be the face of their franchise then offer him 8 x 8. The Leafs will absolutely take the four 1st round picks and and since the people are fine overpaying Nylander then they should be fine overpaying to get him from Toronto. I mean what is four 1st round picks compared to the face of your organization?

8 x 8 would net Toronto a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick. 4 1st round picks only come into play after about 10.2 million.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Starting to think this is about more than money...hope I'm wrong!
Willy doesn't come from a poor background and 6.5 isn't all that much less than 7 or even 8 in the big picture! Yes he could cite it as a 'principled matter' but given it likely isn't his last contract and how well the Leafs are poised to make multiple cup runs.....The hell is the problem here? Something smells!

This reads like a Trump tweet.

Love the avatar by the way.

 

[nabob]

Leafs would match, then put a target on carolina’s back.

This would also put Nylander on the trading block.

How would they put a target on their back?

Isn’t there a rule about trading players after matching an offer sheet?

 

[Divine]

8 x 8 would net Toronto a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick. 4 1st round picks only come into play after about 10.2 million.

No it wouldn't. The total amount is divided by 5 for an offer sheet.

Also, this is why offer sheets don't make much sense. Say somehow a team does offer Nylander 8M x 5, and the Leafs don't match. They give up their picks and Nylander becomes a UFA at 27 while making 8M all his RFA years. Then what? You're going to offer him 11M x 8? Surely if you think he's worth 8M as an RFA, his UFA value is even higher.

 

[Dustin]

8 x 8 would net Toronto a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd round pick. 4 1st round picks only come into play after about 10.2 million.

Man. Why are so many people commenting about his status when they have little to no understanding of how Offer Sheets work....

The contract is divided by 5 if it is signed for longer than 5. 8.1 over 6 or 7 years yields four 1st round picks. It's been stated many time in the numerous threads about Nylander.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I've said it a hundred times, but why would Nylander sign an offer sheet from a crappy team for the sake of $500k - $1 mil a year?
If the teams that are being discussed here wanted to get him to sign, you'll have to blow his socks off with 8+, which would be 4 1st round picks, which I would happily accept.

 

[nabob]

This reads like a Trump tweet.

Reads more left than than. Trump would encourage the kid to get his money, not be nice and leave some for others.

 

[Tripod]

As far as endorsements go, Connor freakin Brown has a National commercial deal with Source For Sports. NATIONAL.

 

[nabob]

I've said it a hundred times, but why would Nylander sign an offer sheet from a crappy team for the sake of $1 mil a year?
If the teams that are being discussed here wanted to get him to sign, you'll have to blow his socks off with 8+

Yeah what’s upwards of $8M. That’s nothing really.

He’d sign it because that’s what he wants to get paid.

 

[Strangle]

Will any of those people be defensemen?

Certainly

 

[Jake Barnes]

Man. Why are so many people commenting about his status when they have little to no understanding of how Offer Sheets work....

The contract is divided by 5 if it is signed for longer than 5. 8.1 over 6 or 7 years yields four 1st round picks. It's been stated many time in the numerous threads about Nylander.

Yep, I pooched that one. My bad. Should have typed 8 x 5.

 

[Dustin]

Yep, I pooched that one. My bad. Should have typed 8 x 5.

8 x 5 makes sense but even so the Leafs have the cap room to sign him and trade him. If a team wants Nylander the only way to guarantee getting him is to offer 8.1 over 6 or 7 or trade for him.

 

[Strangle]

How would they put a target on their back?

Isn’t there a rule about trading players after matching an offer sheet?

Because they sent an offer sheet. They put the target on their own backs this way.

Nylander can play out the year in Toronto under this hypothetical. He would be traded in the offseason, giving the Leafs his return and the cap space to sign their higher priority RFA’s

 

[FerrisRox]

the Leafs are poised to make multiple cup runs.....The hell is the problem here? Something smells!

Is it possible that it's a massive leap of logic to arrive at the conclusion the Leafs are poised to make any Cup runs right now with a bottom of the league blueline and therefore this isn't a factor in his thinking at all right now?

You offer this up like it's a fact. It's not. It's your opinion, and it's a leap, at best.

 

[A1LeafNation]

6.75m * 7 years who says no?

Leafs or Gross or both?

 

[hector morrison]

Is it possible that it's a massive leap of logic to arrive at the conclusion the Leafs are poised to make any Cup runs right now with a bottom of the league blueline and therefore this isn't a factor in his thinking at all right now?

You offer this up like it's a fact. It's not. It's your opinion, and it's a leap, at best.

It's also the opinion of Vegas odds makers! Only their opinion,mind you!

 

[Canada4Gold]

nah actually he's right if it's 7 x 7.5 it would 4 1st's because the way they figure it is you divide the total number by 5 and compensation is based off of that number.

So, if I'm, Carolina, I would offer him 5 x 7.5. That would mean a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd which is much much easier to swallow.

Aho likes your plan very very much. He would then value all 4 of his RFA years at 8.0(because he's better, per HF) plus inflation to next years cap, lets guess it'll be 3 million more. And then all the UFA years at 11 million. Aho's 8 year deal comes out to be 9.65. He'd be very very happy if the Canes tried that indeed.

 

[Strangle]

Is it possible that it's a massive leap of logic to arrive at the conclusion the Leafs are poised to make any Cup runs right now with a bottom of the league blueline and therefore this isn't a factor in his thinking at all right now?

You offer this up like it's a fact. It's not. It's your opinion, and it's a leap, at best.

We will have to watch and see how much improved the Leafs are in relation to the rest of the East. But that’s where all the fun is!

 

[FerrisRox]

It's also the opinion of Vegas odds makers! Only their opinion,mind you!

The same Vegas oddsmakers that thought Edmonton was a Cup contender last year and the Golden Knights were going to be awful.

 

[Divine]

Is it possible that it's a massive leap of logic to arrive at the conclusion the Leafs are poised to make any Cup runs right now with a bottom of the league blueline and therefore this isn't a factor in his thinking at all right now?

You offer this up like it's a fact. It's not. It's your opinion, and it's a leap, at best.

Only HfBoards suggests that, the stats don't.