Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[Dustin]

Yes, but a endorsement deal in Canada is paid in Canadian dollars whereas a endorsement deal in the US is paid in US dollars and seeing as how he's talking about endorsement deals...

Sorry. Endorsements aren't going to be a large portion of money for Nylander in almost any market unless he somehow breaks out and becomes the best or 2nd best player on a cup team. In terms of money players only pay their home tax on 41 games of the year so whatever savings you get is only for half the games played at best and on top of that players can be incorporated and as such get to be in an even lower tax bracket wherever they play.

If money is all you want, getting the highest contract in any one of the Canadian cities would be the best as the exchange rate means you generally make even more money.

That being said players want to win and want to play. I've never heard a player state they went to a team because tax purposes or because the exchange rate is so good right now.

 

[The Burdened]

No it's not. It has to be over $8.1 million to be four first round picks.

nah actually he's right if it's 7 x 7.5 it would 4 1st's because the way they figure it is you divide the total number by 5 and compensation is based off of that number.

So, if I'm, Carolina, I would offer him 5 x 7.5. That would mean a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd which is much much easier to swallow.

 

[FerrisRox]

If money is all you want, getting the highest contract in any one of the Canadian cities would be the best as the exchange rate means you generally make even more money.

Uh...no.

 

[Huck Cheever]

Sorry. Endorsements aren't going to be a large portion of money for Nylander in almost any market unless he somehow breaks out and becomes the best or 2nd best player on a cup team. In terms of money players only pay their home tax on 41 games of the year so whatever savings you get is only for half the games played at best and on top of that players can be incorporated and as such get to be in an even lower tax bracket wherever they play.

If money is all you want, getting the highest contract in any one of the Canadian cities would be the best as the exchange rate means you generally make even more money.

That being said players want to win and want to play. I've never heard a player state they went to a team because tax purposes or because the exchange rate is so good right now.

If Vancouver drafted Nylander then he'd be getting big endorsements by now...

 

[Brock Radunske]

Right now it consists of a 40 goal winger and a 30 goal winger

Based on your scale, your 40 g scorer is a 2nd liner based on points...but I don't want to derail this any further.

 

[Dustin]

That’s fair, I understand where it’s coming from. There are definitely trolls on the other side, and I think honestly the discussion has pretty much hit the wall so it’s not like the thread getting derailed is very preventable.

6 leafs fans being jerks in the same way is a lot more noticeable than 6 random team fans being jerks in different ways (and honestly i think other team fans are trolling a lot lazier so it seems easier for me to ignore, but that’s prob just my bias..). Leafs fans are more invested in this, so IMO they’re reacting with more emotion. I just don’t like seeing people gaslighting others for speculation using the same information as everyone else.

I hope this makes sense, I hate trying to put together posts on mobile.

Me too. I mean the worst thing is there has been little to even discuss other than some off the cuff comments from Shanahan that sounds more like a distraction technique than anything of substance.

Either way probability dictates a certain result here and while some don't like it, the chances of Nylander signing an OS are small and even smaller that he leaves due to an OS.

That certainly hasn't or won't stop Leafs fans from wanting him to sign well under current value or non Leafs fans suggesting their teams should OS him.

 

[Chris P Hundo]

The Leafs have 12 mil in cap this year, if Nylander signs an 8.1 x 5 they match it then trade him next year when the real cap troubles start. Same as the ROR in Colorado. Noone is getting him for a 1st 2nd 3rd.

 

[Seanaconda]

No it's not. It has to be over $8.1 million to be four first round picks.

No it's only over 8.1 for five season / under term contracts

 

[Dustin]

Uh...no.

Tavares makes $14.2 million in Canadian every year. Prices are very comparable to U.S for items so Tavares' standard of living is $3.2 more than it would be in any U.S city.

 

[FerrisRox]

Tavares makes $14.2 million in Canadian every year. Prices are very comparable to U.S for items so Tavares' standard of living is $3.2 more than it would be in any U.S city.

How have you arrived at this conclusion?

If Tavares signed in Tampa Bay for $11 million per season, please explain how his standard of living is $3.2 million more by signing in Toronto.

 

[Dustin]

If Vancouver drafted Nylander then he'd be getting big endorsements by now...

Big endorsements for Vancouver I guess. It's not like he is going to get more national endorsements by being with the Canucks. National Endorsements are where the real money is.

But your point stands. I'm sure he would make more in endorsements for another team if was the defacto player on the team.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Can’t really compare Tampa for tax reasons. Also because they have a much stronger all around club and are more contenders than the Leafs.

Leafs had the best odds to win this year. Your so-called powerhouse didn't even make the playoffs 2 years ago.

Taxes are only relevant on home games, but players are paid in US dollars for all games, while living on Canadian dollars in Toronto. That, in addition to endorsement opportunities, more than makes up for the difference.

 

[Dustin]

How have you arrived at this conclusion?

If Tavares signed in Tampa Bay for $11 million per season, please explain how his standard of living is $3.2 million more by signing in Toronto.

Do you understand how the exchange rate works? You can't manipulate it either and you are always paid in US no matter where you play your games.

In Tampa half of his games would be taxed in other states, and as indicated above taxes can be manipulated by doing all kinds of things such as placing large amounts of money into specific accounts, incorporating yourself so you can get an even lower tax rate and of course players like celebrities can create charities to get even more tax breaks.

Again. None of this matters because no player comes out to put their jersey on with a member of the IRS. Taxes and exchange rates are far down on the list players care about when selecting which team they want to at for.

 

[Slyfox]

So Nylander doesn't want to take a discount at all.

 

[Dustin]

No it's not. It has to be over $8.1 million to be four first round picks.

I think enough people have answered you on this one however even if for some reason they offer him a 5 year 8.1 deal the Leafs can always just match and trade him at a later date.

Offer sheets are pretty rare and even rarer still when the player leaves to go to another team.

 

[Strangle]

nah actually he's right if it's 7 x 7.5 it would 4 1st's because the way they figure it is you divide the total number by 5 and compensation is based off of that number.

So, if I'm, Carolina, I would offer him 5 x 7.5. That would mean a 1st, 2nd, & 3rd which is much much easier to swallow.

Leafs would match, then put a target on carolina’s back.

This would also put Nylander on the trading block.

 

[FerrisRox]

Do you understand how the exchange rate works? You can't manipulate it either and you are always paid in US no matter where you play your games.

In Tampa half of his games would be taxed in other states, and as indicated above taxes can be manipulated by doing all kinds of things such as placing large amounts of money into specific accounts, incorporating yourself so you can get an even lower tax rate and of course players like celebrities can create charities to get even more tax breaks.

Again. None of this matters because no player comes out to put their jersey on with a member of the IRS. Taxes and exchange rates are far down on the list players care about when selecting which team they want to at for.

You realize your answer in no way, shape or form determines how you have arrived at the conclusion that Tavares somehow has $3.2 million boost in his standard of living by signing in Toronto than he would in Tampa Bay.

In Tampa Bay he has no income tax plus he has the maximum amount of games played versus the Florida Panthers. Please, explain how he's somehow better off in Toronto, one of the most expensive cities in North America in terms of cost of living.

 

[nabob]

Leafs had the best odds to win this year. Your so-called powerhouse didn't even make the playoffs 2 years ago.

Taxes are only relevant on home games, but players are paid in US dollars for all games, while living on Canadian dollars in Toronto. That, in addition to endorsement opportunities, more than makes up for the difference.

And the Oilers has great odds to win last year, while Vegas has the worst. Tampa has had a very good and well rounded club for many years, the same can’t be said about Toronto

The cost of living and everything else is also very high in TO to offset the dollar difference. Also every item has its price adjusted for being in Canadian dollars.

I really don’t want to get into a debate with a TO fan who insists that TO is the ultimate destination for hockey players. It isn’t. You’ve signed one big name free agent in the last decade.

 

[Seanaconda]

The Leafs have 12 mil in cap this year, if Nylander signs an 8.1 x 5 they match it then trade him next year when the real cap troubles start. Same as the ROR in Colorado. Noone is getting him for a 1st 2nd 3rd.

Would lower his value than if he was willing to sign long term at seven with the leafs tho. Nylander at 7 - 7.5 with 7 years would get you a better dman than a nylander at 8.1 x 4 .

 

[Horse McHindu]

William Nylander to Vancouver for Louie Eriksson could be beneficial for both teams in my opinion.

 

[Dustin]

You realize your answer in no way, shape or form determines how you have arrived at the conclusion that Tavares somehow has $3.2 million boost in his standard of living by signing in Toronto than he would in Tampa Bay.

In Tampa Bay he has no income tax plus he has the maximum amount of games played versus the Florida Panthers. Please, explain how he's somehow better off in Toronto, one of the most expensive cities in North America in terms of cost of living.

Tavares doesn't have to live in Downtown Toronto does he? In fact Tavares was born in Mississauga a city just outside of Toronto. Again the difference between 0 tax rate and 5% or 10% is not $3,000,000 a year nor is the cost of living.

 

[PhiladelphiaKessel]

You can't look at it that way, the salary cap has gone up.

When Gaudreau signed = 9.25% of cap
When Pastrnak signed = 8.89% of cap

With today's salary cap:
Willie gets 9% of cap = $7.155M
Or if you think he has less value then those 2, lets do 8.5% = $6.8M

I don't think the leafs have any problem paying him between 8.5-9% of the cap. Willy asking for 8+ million is just not feasible or a realistic ask from the player.

 

[Huck Cheever]

Sign him for 8 milly

Run for the cup

Lose in the 1st round

Trade nylander in offseason.......for Pulock

 

[Cotton]

It's funny how "endorsements" are brought up like only Toronto has them.

Marcus Kruger had endorsement deals when the Hawks we're winning Cups. Marcus friggin Kruger.

Have a winning team, it doesn't matter where, and endorsements will come. The Canadian dollar is 77 cents next to the mighty U.S dollar. Willie is better off holding his ground and getting what he wants or demanding a trade to a team in the states and taking a smaller average and still making more then a crippled Canadian dollar teams demands.

Hold out, Willie, your worth 6.75 american

Yuh-huh, and endorsement deals from the local mini-putt, or Crazy Dave's used cars is mighty enticing in all, but even a few mighty american nickles and dimes dont add up to worthwhile, because nobody will see it, that's why its nickle and dime local deals in the US.

Truth is Crosby does most of his endorsement work in Canada still, nobody is heading south for the endorsement opportunities for hockey players, gtfo with that nonsense.

I like that you emphasized Kruger, and after he won. Zach Hyman has never seen the 2nd round of the playoffs and has several deals.

 

[FerrisRox]

Tavares doesn't have to live in Downtown Toronto does he? In fact Tavares was born in Mississauga a city just outside of Toronto. Again the difference between 0 tax rate and 5% or 10% is not $3,000,000 a year nor is the cost of living.

Tavares is going to "incorporate himself" and found a charity and then pay only five percent in taxes?

Are you serious, Clark?