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I dont think he's a better player than Larkin. Nylander isn't the type of player you build a line much less a team around. He's a very good complimentary piece.
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I dont think he's a better player than Larkin. Nylander isn't the type of player you build a line much less a team around. He's a very good complimentary piece.
Elias GOATtersson
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This victim mentality lol. It’d be great if one of the leafs defense force members acknowledged their own bias and stopped pretending they were acting in good faith.
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Own bias for what? Non Leaf fans are in here stating we should over pay him in relation to other comparable players. Why should Toronto over pay when teams like Boston, Detroit and Winnipeg didn't? Is there something that makes Toronto unique in here?
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But neither has TB. Comparison is that they have some superstar players and when you have that it can make you top heavy. In order to avoid that you have to limit their pay a bit. Because otherwise the rest of your roster suffers. Its just good strategy in this kind of situation. Only issue is every player has to be on board with it. In this case Nylander doesnt appear to be on board. If hes indeed not, then they should trade him. Just my opinion.
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If you need someone to explain your bias to you, it’s not going to register.
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Calm down.
Depending on the team and where they think they will be picking, some team might wanna sacrifice that. I don't think he will get 8x8 either way.
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Yup. My hope is Nylander signs a more comparable contract to his peers but if he is unwilling to lower his demands I have no problem in trading him. There would be no loss in value. If a player like Drouin can be traded for Sergachev, then Nylander should get at least that if not a little more in return.
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If Nylander will accept a fair value contract the Leafs will sign him. If not, I expect him to be away from the team all year.
8m like we are hearing is not fair value.
Leaf fans (like myself) obviously want him on the team, but are aware that it was a possibility the team couldn’t retain him after the Tavares signing.
Nylander and Gardiner have always been the two players that make sense to move on from.
These are good problems to have and ones Leaf fans haven’t had to worry about for a long time.
Go Leafs Go!
8m like we are hearing is not fair value.
Leaf fans (like myself) obviously want him on the team, but are aware that it was a possibility the team couldn’t retain him after the Tavares signing.
Nylander and Gardiner have always been the two players that make sense to move on from.
These are good problems to have and ones Leaf fans haven’t had to worry about for a long time.
Go Leafs Go!
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Oh I'm calm. If a team wants to talk about a trade the Leafs would be more than happy to review any offer that would be considered a good trade.
If people want to continue to press the narrative that Nylander should get as much as he wants than those people should start offering up their 1st's because if their team wouldn't do it, neither would the Leafs.
No one on Toronto has shown they are onboard. Matthews said he wasn’t either by deferring to his agent. Tampa has been considered a top tier team for a while. Toronto isn’t, well outside of Toronto they aren’t.
some of you are confusing "best player on the team & the player you build around" with "face of the team that sells tickets & draws people to arena."
These things are not mutually exclusive. He has a Jeremy Roenick personality. Roenick was never THE ideal centepiece to build around, but the man sold tickets.
I firmly believe Willie's personality & marketability can easily lead him to be an ambassador to the game if given the chance to shine. He will never shine in Toronto in that regard. While the city is talking about Maple Leaf bedsheets & singing along to Hall & Oats, his name is being put through the mud. I cannot speak for him, but I would not be surprised if Willie feels like he is being marginalized & now is publicly being told HE needs to take less
These things are not mutually exclusive. He has a Jeremy Roenick personality. Roenick was never THE ideal centepiece to build around, but the man sold tickets.
I firmly believe Willie's personality & marketability can easily lead him to be an ambassador to the game if given the chance to shine. He will never shine in Toronto in that regard. While the city is talking about Maple Leaf bedsheets & singing along to Hall & Oats, his name is being put through the mud. I cannot speak for him, but I would not be surprised if Willie feels like he is being marginalized & now is publicly being told HE needs to take less
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im still wondering why there is 4 part of this discussion on main board about nylander when 95% of posters are leafs fan lol
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The Leafs' board thread is on number 11 I believe. Honestly a bit curious to see how high it goes.
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Well then that honestly could be their down turn. Once they get those guys signed, it will be tough to have the depth to surround them. Unless they have drafted very well. That you dont know until they play at the next level.
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He's been taking way too many nights off this season. It's getting ridiculous. I'd be furious if I were a Leafs fan
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It’s really up to Nylander and what he wants. The Leafs want him on the team, but there are cap concerns.
Signing him at 8m is not a good move for the team. If his heart is set at 8m he’s likely not going to play for Toronto.
Toronto’s priorities are / have been
- Sign Tavares
- Sign Matthews
- Sign Marner
- Sign Nylander
- Sign Gardiner
If the Leafs are offering less than 6m, that’s insulting to the player.
Fact is we don’t really know what’s on the table
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Not at all. You seem to imply that others have bias' but you don't. Pretty sure we all bring our own bias' in to any discussion we are having. Recognizing your bias is a step toward being able to evaluate your stance and those that have taken the opposite stance against you but still does not remove said bias' from your argument.
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It’s not about me here lol. Leafs fans in this thread (see like 5 posts up) see themselves as just logical posters, ignoring the gaslighting, bullying and disrespect they show anyone posting speculation that doesn’t match how they see it. It’s pathetic. I just want speculation, not name calling and “woe is me why’s everyone mean to the poor leafs”
Everybody has some risk. He is a good bet for 40 goals, but he has been PPG in exactly 1 season, and it wasn't a complete season. He has been injured. He had a very mediocre playoffs this past year. He has an opportunity so alleviate some of those risks this year, but there are no guarantees.
While it is less risk than other players, there is still risk, and way more risk than a player like McDavid.
At over 11m, there is a lot of risk based on what he has accomplished to date.
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