Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

[orbiter11]

Can’t really compare Tampa for tax reasons. Also because they have a much stronger all around club and are more contenders than the Leafs.

What JT did as a UFA means nothing regarding the Nylander contract.

I kinda disagree. If its the difference between making 6.5x7 or 6.75 x7 and you can play for a contender like the leafs with an endorsment deal already locked up (or playing for Carolina or Arizona for example), youd think there would be some give on the players side .

 

[Chungo2]

High-end #2 dman with something else

The Leafs might be better off

 

[Kamiccolo]

Gaudreau has the same agent and signed October 10th for a really good cap hit. He is the flames best forward and much more important to the team than Nylander is. Does anyone think that was a fail now? Does anyone think the flames were fools for not just paying him?

Lindholm signs on October 27th. Man, what a bad organization the Ducks apparently are. Surprised that he didn't just sign an offer sheet. Now they have an excellent player on a good contract.

Some posters in here are so out of touch it is laughable, and others are using any excuse to shit on the Leafs.

 

[57special]

Even factoring in inflation, I don't think Nylander is worth anywhere near $8M. I mean, he might be in a couple years, so wouldn't a 2x$5M bridge deal make sense? Or would a bridge deal be even less money than that?

Long term, for what Nylander has proven, I can't see how he is worth over $7M. If I was Dubas, I'd be thinking mid-high $6s.

I agree with your numbers. Nylander has shown well, but he has to put in the years and show consistency. There are exceptions when the player is flat out brilliant, or the team simply can't do without him, but i don't think Nylander fits any of those descriptions.

 

[Fogelhund]

I can’t rmeember which event but Nylander was supposed to come to NA for a tournament or something in late August and they essentially started negotiating then

That's false. They were discussing the contract and negotiating in July. Multiple news sources confirmed this.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Can’t really compare Tampa for tax reasons. Also because they have a much stronger all around club and are more contenders than the Leafs.

What JT did as a UFA means nothing regarding the Nylander contract.

Thats not necessarily true. I dont think we would be signing guys to as big as a discount if we werent a good team. Why do I say that? Because we always had this no state tax but guys werent taking less then. The difference is we are now a good team. Leafs should take the same stand.

 

[Fogelhund]

To be fair we don’t know who is at fault, all we know is the rumour of Nylander ask.....just as important that we don’t know is the Leafs offer. It’s just a negotiation, so both parties liked started out at unrealistic numbers and just haven’t come to terms yet and neither likely Is budging. We don’t know if Nylander is being anymore unrealistic then the Leafs are. Time will tell

I appreciate that, I wasn't saying it was Nylander's fault, just dismissing the notion that it was Dubas fault, as he started negotiations late... which isn't true.

 

[nabob]

I kinda disagree. If its the difference between making 6.5x7 or 6.75 x7 and you can play for a contender like the leafs with an endorsment deal already locked up (or playing for Carolina or Arizona for example), youd think there would be some give on the players side .

Maybe he considers a contender a team that’s made it past the first round of the playoffs? Maybe he doesn’t want to play 4th fiddle?

 

[nabob]

Thats not necessarily true. I dont think we would be signing guys to as big as a discount if we werent a good team. Why do I say that? Because we always had this no state tax but guys werent taking less then. The difference is we are now a good team. Leafs should take the same stand.

But the Leafs don’t have the same ground to stand on.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Shanny is the only one with an agenda to say the crap like he did. It comes off really disingenuous considering when he was in Nylander’s spot he accepted a huge offer sheet to get himself paid.

A "huge offer sheet" of current league minimum.

 

[CupsOverCash]

But the Leafs don’t have the same ground to stand on.

They do though. They have 4 players that are really good. If they want to keep the band together they have to collectively take less. I know Tavares is kind of excluded from that conversation because he already got paid but you see my point? Also Mathews, Marner, and Nylander are all super young. Bridge them and save money for now and build a great team with the extra money.

 

[The Burdened]

also could be an ego thing.
He's at maximum the #4 guy on Toronto

Put him on Carolina, he becomes the face and can be a go-to guy (not implying he would be their best player obv because Svechnikov is going to be an absolute terror, but Willie is extremely marketable/charasmatic and can speak perfect English unlike Svech).

He could get paid more by Carolina, get top billing in Carolina, and lead the bright young future with Carolina. There is a lot to like about a situation like that.

Think like Kyrie Irving. Would you rather be a passenger on a great team or a chance to be THE man on another team?

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

It's funny how "endorsements" are brought up like only Toronto has them.

Marcus Kruger had endorsement deals when the Hawks we're winning Cups. Marcus friggin Kruger.

Have a winning team, it doesn't matter where, and endorsements will come. The Canadian dollar is 77 cents next to the mighty U.S dollar. Willie is better off holding his ground and getting what he wants or demanding a trade to a team in the states and taking a smaller average and still making more then a crippled Canadian dollar teams demands.

Hold out, Willie, your worth 6.75 american

 

[mattydamon]

Gaudreau has the same agent and signed October 10th for a really good cap hit. He is the flames best forward and much more important to the team than Nylander is. Does anyone think that was a fail now? Does anyone think the flames were fools for not just paying him?

Lindholm signs on October 27th. Man, what a bad organization the Ducks apparently are. Surprised that he didn't just sign an offer sheet. Now they have an excellent player on a good contract.

Some posters in here are so out of touch it is laughable, and others are using any excuse to **** on the Leafs.

You gotta kill it with the victim complex man, it just negates everything you say and people read it and write you off as a homer and clump you with some of the worst offenders. Just present your argument without all that extra stuff and you'll get a better response (imo of course).

 

[Pinto]

It's funny how "endorsements" are brought up like only Toronto has them.

Marcus Kruger had endorsement deals when the Hawks we're winning Cups. Marcus friggin Kruger.

Have a winning team, it doesn't matter where, and endorsements will come. The Canadian dollar is 77 cents next to the mighty U.S dollar. Willie is better off holding his ground and getting what he wants or demanding a trade to a team in the states and taking a smaller average and still making more then a crippled Canadian dollar teams demands.

Hold out, Willie, your worth 6.75 american

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not.

That's what you've done to me HfBoards.

 

[Kelly]

I can't tell if this is a serious post or not.

That's what you've done to me HfBoards.

I'm like 79% sure he's being serious.

Willy should just hold out for the British League and get paid in pounds! Hold out Willie, your worth 6.75£

 

[Rabid Ranger]

also could be an ego thing.
He's at maximum the #4 guy on Toronto

Put him on Carolina, he becomes the face and can be a go-to guy (not implying he would be their best player obv because Svechnikov is going to be an absolute terror, but Willie is extremely marketable/charasmatic and can speak perfect English unlike Svech).

He could get paid more by Carolina, get top billing in Carolina, and lead the bright young future with Carolina. There is a lot to like about a situation like that.

Think like Kyrie Irving. Would you rather be a passenger on a great team or a chance to be THE man on another team?

I dont think Nylander is the "face of the franchise" on any team.

 

[The Burdened]

I dont thonk Nylander is the "face of the franchise" on any team.

I completely disagree.
I'm speaking from a personality & marketability standpoint, not necessarily talent. He's a great talent don't get me wrong, but he has the "it" factor and can sell tickets.

He will never achieve that while playing in the shadow of Matthews & Tavares.

If I'm Carolina, I would have already sent in an offer sheet. Raleigh needs excitement, and he provides that in spades.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What other RFAs is Matthews comparable against though?

Eichel is the only one at this point.

Eichel is not the only possible comparable. There will not only be one comparable.

Why don't we compare him to Kucherov, a 100-point forward, on his 3rd NHL contract with more leverage and rights? He signed this year, his contract starts the same year as Matthews, buys 7 UFA years, and is only 9.5m per year. What justification does Matthews have for more?

 

[Randy Randerson]

I completely disagree.
I'm speaking from a personality & marketability standpoint, not necessarily talent. He's a great talent don't get me wrong, but he has the "it" factor and can sell tickets.

He will never achieve that while playing in the shadow of Matthews & Tavares.

a guy on my ballhockey team took a group of kids that he coaches down to a Leaf game where they got to go to the tunnel while the team came off the ice for high fives and all that and he took a video of it - very little reaction to Rielly, Matthews, Marner, etc - Nylander was the main event for them. To your point he's very marketable and he's the one with the youth following

 

[Dustin]

It's funny how "endorsements" are brought up like only Toronto has them.

Marcus Kruger had endorsement deals when the Hawks we're winning Cups. Marcus friggin Kruger.

Have a winning team, it doesn't matter where, and endorsements will come. The Canadian dollar is 77 cents next to the mighty U.S dollar. Willie is better off holding his ground and getting what he wants or demanding a trade to a team in the states and taking a smaller average and still making more then a crippled Canadian dollar teams demands.

Hold out, Willie, your worth 6.75 american

NHL players are paid in U.S dollars even if they play in Canada. Before going on a rant perhaps do some research first....

 

[DDRhockey]

I dont thonk Nylander is the "face of the franchise" on any team.

he would in detroit maybe

 

[nabob]

A "huge offer sheet" of current league minimum.

Back then it wasn’t the same story. Point is he took every nickle he could get. Now he’s telling Nylander to take less

 

[nabob]

They do though. They have 4 players that are really good. If they want to keep the band together they have to collectively take less. I know Tavares is kind of excluded from that conversation because he already got paid but you see my point? Also Mathews, Marner, and Nylander are all super young. Bridge them and save money for now and build a great team with the extra money.

Yes they have 4 good players. They are not perennial contenders and haven’t actually won anything yet. So no they are not on the same ground.

 

[Dustin]

Look if all of these teams think that Nylander would be the face of their franchise then offer him 8 x 8. The Leafs will absolutely take the four 1st round picks and and since the people are fine overpaying Nylander then they should be fine overpaying to get him from Toronto. I mean what is four 1st round picks compared to the face of your organization?