Brock Radunske
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Did you not refer to Nylander as a 2nd line player? I was just curious what your 2nd line wingers look like.
Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV
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That's not true at all.
His comparable depends on what he does this year. Just because Buffalo was desperate and stupid doesn't mean the Leafs are.
We'll see what happens with Laine. I wonder where all the threads predicting the downfall of the Jets are...
You know, the team with less cap space that has to sign or replace 9 RFAs and 3 UFAs next year, including Laine and Connor.
He doesn't just have to be better than Tavares this year. He has to be significantly better to justify the same rate at this stage of his career.
Also, what does his leverage look like if Tavares puts up a better year than him? He's playing with Marner, and on a stacked PP, so not unreasonable to consider. How does he justify a bigger contract?
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Fear is the mind-killer.
He doesn't know, hes just talking out of his butt. They had a Lidstrom cap and they all had to fit in that pay structure.
Shanny is full of crap. Everyone knows that Detroit during those days didn’t cheap on their players. He’s trying to gain leverage in a failing negotiation.
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Sure it is. Eichel and McDavid are the most recent elite RFA signings. Both signed UFA like contracts.
No ones predicting the downfall of anything. Leafs will be fine when Matthews signs his contract.
Yeah, Leafs aren't as desperate as Buffalo but you're still dealing with an elite, franchise player.
Again, he doesn't at this point. The bar has been set for elite RFAs. Tavares doing better than Matthews would definitely benefit Dubas in the Matthews contract negotiations. That'll be interesting though, because it also likely means that Marner has a pretty good season as a result, making those negotiations tougher.
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Wings fans aren't some single unified mind lol.
Lots of us didn't have an issue with AA holding out. Espcecially considering the way Holland had been spending money on washed up vets.
I'm not angry. We will keep em all. Don't get angry because you didn't land EK and did nothing this offseason.
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Agreed
Your employer talking about you taking less then market value for the good of the organization comes off very wrong imo. Add that to the fact Shanny history plus their coach making significantly more then any coach in the nhl.....kinda sends a bad message about the leadership & message. Like you I would of preferred him to say nothing.
who deserved to be paid more than Lidstrom? No one on that team.
Soon the Leafs will have a Matthews cap.
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Who knows really.
Nobody knows whats going on between Willie and the team, or what those red wing players were offered on the market before they signed.
Nobody knows, but I will listen to somebody who is in the HOF and played on those great teams, instead of the average joe fans on some website.
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I wonder how long until Nylanders agent starts talking to other teams about a contract.
I'm sure there is at least a couple teams out there that would offer him close to $8M a year and have the required picks to make the offer sheet.
I'm sure there is at least a couple teams out there that would offer him close to $8M a year and have the required picks to make the offer sheet.
No, one single 0.8 PPG RFA got 10m, against all comparables, in a ridiculous contract because the team was desperate. One 1.17 PPG RFA got 12.5m, because he swept awards, got 100 points, and is the best player in the league, offering little to no risk.
Notice that's also not over 11m.
I'd love to see these calculations using the same scale for other RFAs. I'll be waiting.
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Just because nobody deserved to be paid more, doesn't mean some of the players didn't have contract comparables from other players in the league who made more than Lidstrom.
The agents still existed.
Shanny is the only one with an agenda to say the crap like he did. It comes off really disingenuous considering when he was in Nylander’s spot he accepted a huge offer sheet to get himself paid.
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What other RFAs is Matthews comparable against though?
Eichel is the only one at this point.
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Oh I don't think he should have said anything, you and I are on the same page in that regard.
I just think we don't know what was really going on then, or what has been going on today with Willie on the Leafs.
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Even like 7.0-7.5 puts Leafs in a tough spot.
Do they match that? It's not the best compensation if you let him go. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Sounds like a lot but depending on the team you might not get anything close to Nylander. Hell, Tatar got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
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there's 2 good recent comparables for Matthews, that's them. Who else are you thinking belongs in this conversation?
What kind of risk do you think Matthews has attached to him? He's a ppg player and 40 goal scorer
What kind of evidence do you have that they got paid the exact same they would have on the open market, and what evidence do you have that the Leafs are low-balling Nylander?
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Any good negotiation should revolve around positive communication and an expectation of managing a positive relationship with both parties even if a deal isn’t struck.
Within the framework of the negotiations three factors should be considered:
Interests
Legitimacy
Options
Forget what Shanahan said, forget what Dubas said and forget what Nylander’s agent has said. It’s bubcus.
At this stage the player and the Leafs true interests are unknown but we could suspect what they are.
Legimate asks come in around 6-7 million on a long term deal.
Options are endless but the Leafs can front load a deal to improve Nylander’s take home just like they did with Tavares, for starters.
I’m a little surprised nothing is done but I suspect one side is on a different planet then the other in one of these areas.
My guess the agent is on the legitimacy of the ask or Nylander’s interests in his 2nd NHL contract.
Within the framework of the negotiations three factors should be considered:
Interests
Legitimacy
Options
Forget what Shanahan said, forget what Dubas said and forget what Nylander’s agent has said. It’s bubcus.
At this stage the player and the Leafs true interests are unknown but we could suspect what they are.
Legimate asks come in around 6-7 million on a long term deal.
Options are endless but the Leafs can front load a deal to improve Nylander’s take home just like they did with Tavares, for starters.
I’m a little surprised nothing is done but I suspect one side is on a different planet then the other in one of these areas.
My guess the agent is on the legitimacy of the ask or Nylander’s interests in his 2nd NHL contract.
Whats interesting to me regarding McDavid and Eichel - would their teams being any good (Edmonton with the one year blip after a good playoff performance of course), have affected what price they signed for?
I don't think it'll be an official offersheet per-se
I think it'll be like Kessel where the teams will work out alternate compensation, and then the player immediately signs his already negotiated extension
Picks are of next to no use to Toronto. As many say: they would want a Top 4 D that's under 25.
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