janesy12
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Bolts fans shouldn't exactly be chiming in on RFA discussions when they have to sign Point next year and Vasilevskiy the year after.
Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV
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hyduK
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McDavid didn't really have much to gain from waiting the year. He was already getting whatever he wanted at that point.
Matthews and Marner both have a chance to increase their worth significantly this year. No reason why both of them don't have their best season yet. If they signed right now Matthews could probably command 10.5ish a year and Marner 7.5ish. Either (or both) of them could realistically increase that number by 1-1.5m with the right season.
Sky04
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Exactly. Leafs fan are funny, still trying to convince themselves that all the young guns will take discounts.
He won’t sign for less than 12M unless it’s a 4-5 year deal. Then I could see him signing for a bit less to become a UFA and get a near max contract
Randy Randerson
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we're guessing that it's because Dubas wants to get Nylander done first, probably both of Matthews and Marner know they're smart to wait
btw, I was the next person to criticize that post, I'm a Leaf fan. There's homers in every fanbase....and the guy who made that comment may not be a Leaf fan
Which means Matthews and Marner taking LESS than market value unlikely. If I were Dubas I'd try to sign them ASAP.
hyduK
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hyduK
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Yeah, I agree.
What I meant was that I doubt Matthews or Marner are interested in negotiating at this point. They're smart and have smart agents, they know they make more if they wait.
Laine and Matthews both come off as extremely confident, Laine is borderline cocky. They're gonna bet on themselves.
Especially Matthews who had a less than desirable year last year being injured a bit. With their new depth at centre leading to better matchups for him, that PP lineup, and him just being a year older, I'm sure he's thinking 50g is a possibility.
Hahaha sorry my bad.
Someone remind Shanny of the offer sheet he once signed and loyalty to your team. Then remind him that this isn’t like his time in Detroit where there was no cap and they all got paid huge.
I think he’s already screwed up royally by not signing all three of them this past offseason. The longer he waits, the more it will cost.
Matthews would have to have quite a bit better season than Tavares has or has ever had to justify making the same amount as him as an RFA compared to the best UFA in a decade.
Outside of the Leafs, the higher you get, the closer you get to McDavid and his triple-digit points, award sweeps, and generational/best in the league status, and he'd have quite the argument to make to justify being that close to his contract based on his last 2 years. He would need quite a remarkable season.
janesy12
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You gave Ryan Callahan a 5.8 cap hit for 18 pts. What a rodeo.Not their first rodeo, Toronto fails on the first signing they had to make
Umm definitely haven't failed... I'd say it's been successful so far seeing as we haven't overpaid and we're sticking to our guns.Not their first rodeo, Toronto fails on the first signing they had to make
Pocket Hercules
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Not their first rodeo, Toronto fails on the first signing they had to make
Failing implies that the signing has already been done. Nice try though...
PPG RFAs don't make 11m+ off of their ELC. He would need a considerable step forward to justify that, horrible Eichel contract or not.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
What they got paid was irrelevant, his point was that they took less to stay. Which means they could have made more elsewhere, but stayed in Detroit to make it work.
It's not a hard thing to grasp, although I am not surprised you are struggling with it.
hyduK
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Elite RFAs no longer automatically make less money. They sign the same long term high dollar contracts as UFAs get.
Eichel is the comparable imo. Laine would be in there if he happens to sign before AM.
We'll see regarding Tavares. They're on the same team now though and if AM outproduces him he can very easily ask for more money. It isn't as if Tavares has crazy statlines either. AM had more goals in his rookie year than Tavares has ever had. And if he has a good year this year he can be in the same range as Tavares' career high in points while having more goals. That puts him above JT.
They didn’t take less to stay that’s compete bullshit, which is why Shanny has now made a fool out of himself and probably lost a fair bit of respect from his players for that comment.
They aren’t like stupid fans on message boards that take his word as gospel. You’re probably too young to remember those Red Wing teams anyway.
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Well they did have the Lidstrom cap. Sure it was not a league salary cap, but nobody was allowed to make more.
However, I would have not talked like that if I were him.
Randy Randerson
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well, 0.8ppg RFA centers coming off their ELC's do get $10M (Eichel), and 1.17ppg RFA centers coming off their ELC's do get $12.5M (McDavid), Matthews is currently at .92ppg for his career and there will be cap inflation - if you were giving him a contract off of nothing but ppg based on his two comps, he'd be making $10.81M/yr before inflation. Your position is not well supported
1.17ppg - 0.8ppg = 0.37ppg
0.92ppg - 0.8ppg = 0.12ppg
0.12ppg/0.37ppg = 32.4%
$12.5M-$10M = 2.5M
2.5M x 32.4% = $810k
$10M + $810k = $10.81M
Maybe we should all just admit we have no idea what's going to happen and we should just wait and see. Or you know we can keep repeating the same things and get this up to 5 threads.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
What kind of stupid question is this? Because they all got paid. They didn’t lowball their players like the Leafs are doing currently.
Pocket Hercules
Business in the front, party in the back.
I recall Wings fans incessantly complain last season about Andreas Athanasiou contract negotiations and him holding out until late October. Red Wings fans who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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