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Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

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Brock Radunske said:
Please explain how adding Tavares + the return for Nylander is worse than only having Nylander.

I'll wait.
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I talking mainly about Tavares mega contract , could easily end up to have negative value in 4-5 years, Nylander 2 first seasons in Nhl is close to identical to Tavares 2 first seasons. Tavares contract handcuffs Tml, had been hard enough to keep the young core together without the Tavares signing.

Nylanders tradevalue arent at the top when team know Tml situation, doesnt get you full value and needs when the season already started.

That Nylander hasnt signed yet hasnt to do so much about money as future in the team, Tavares made his future C assignment go up in smoke.

Nylander wants some insurance that he isnt a future tradechip, to show that you want him and believe in him you do like Oilers did with Draisaitl, Make him a less tradebait , its aa kind of a nmc for a rfa.

The problem is tht Tml wants him to take a discount which make him great trade asset, and he can end up in the dark longterm,
 
Seanaconda said:
Kuz had 77 and then down to 59 before his extension didn't he ? Development isn't linear but that ones opposite and he got 7.8
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Because he has at least shown the ability of becoming a PPG player....

Nylander's best season is 61 points...
 
Gurilla said:
Shanahan thought he was doing something with those comments, they backfired pretty badly. Matthews comments about having agents suggests nobodies interested in any hometown discounts.
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As a Jets fan you should probably stay focused on your own trams cap crunch

They have a malcontent D looking to strike it big and constantly making noise about it in the media / requesting a trade. Laine is going to try and map himself to Matthews and Connor will be looking at this Nylander discussion as his comp

If anything it’s in your best interest Toronto signs favorable deals with tbeir RFAs...
 
MyBudJT said:
Because he has at least shown the ability of becoming a PPG player....

Nylander's best season is 61 points...
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I guess but still his last year before getting 7.8 was a 59 point season. I think the leafs and nylander should just bridge anyways if he won't sign long term for the low six the leafs seem to want but that's just me
 
McClelland said:
I talking mainly about Tavares mega contract , could easily end up to have negative value in 4-5 years, Nylander 2 first seasons in Nhl is close to identical to Tavares 2 first seasons. Tavares contract handcuffs Tml, had been hard enough to keep the young core together without the Tavares signing.
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It could easily be negative in 4 years? Sure.
Tavares could just as easily win the Hart and a couple Cups in those 4 years. Either way, it's baseless conjecture.

What isn't conjecture is that Toronto was able to add one of the best players in the league in his prime for free and if that means that they have to trade Nylander as a result, thats fine because Tavares + the return from trading Nylander>>>> Nylander @ $8 mil.

The Tavares signing has been and will continue to be nothing but an overwhelming positive.
 
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Brock Radunske said:
They amount of mental gymnastics that non-Leafs fans are going through to make it seem like the Leafs are doomed is embarrassing and frankly pathetic.
And it also tells me they're scared.
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This. Pretty much sums up how you get to 4 threads with no info ever being given out. A whole lot of people crossing their fingers and praying for the negative. Feels good.
 
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Seanaconda said:
Kuz had 77 and then down to 59 before his extension didn't he ? Development isn't linear but that ones opposite and he got 7.8
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Kuzy was also older than Nylander when he signed and agreed to an 8 year deal which eats up more UFA years. Also plays the more coveted position for a team that needed a heir apparent to Backstrom
 
DRW204 said:
Kuzy was also older than Nylander when he signed and agreed to an 8 year deal which eats up more UFA years. Also plays the more coveted position for a team that needed a heir apparent to Backstrom
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Yeah that's all fair but without knowing what the offers are no-one can really say much.
 
Seanaconda said:
Kuz had 77 and then down to 59 before his extension didn't he ? Development isn't linear but that ones opposite and he got 7.8
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That was 8 years, was his 3rd contract where he had more rights/leverage, bought more UFA years (6?), was a center with a bigger role/responsibility, and his final 2 years included one year equal to Nylander, one year significantly better than Nylander, and a better playoff performance.
 
Nylander was drafted as a center, he's never gotten a fair shake at playing that position. He's been the guy who has played off his natural position to help the team, and he probably thinks he'd put up better numbers by playing his true position. But the team wants to pay him like a winger, and they'll probably want him to play center at some point in the future (after Kadri's gone) while he's paid like a winger.

So he's supposed to take a long term deal at a team friendly number for a team that hasn't done him any favors yet? Can't blame the guy for holding out. Hope he gets to play somewhere they'll appreciate him more.
 
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LyricalLyricist said:
Contract aside, why is a fair D for Nylander to garner in a one on one trade?
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In the cap era one cannot say contracts aside, player cap hits and term always factor into their value.

I guess you could say, just for fun, Nylander vs some D player both at market value deals and same term.
 
Dekes For Days said:
That was 8 years, was his 3rd contract where he had more rights/leverage, bought more UFA years (6?), was a center with a bigger role/responsibility, and his final 2 years included one year equal to Nylander, one year significantly better than Nylander, and a better playoff performance.
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Third contract but only his third season in the Nhl and it also included his first full nhl season with like 37 points , so the leafs should bridge nylander imo if they haven't offered that already
 
varano said:
That wouldn't add up because he would still be an RFA and his qualifying offer would be ridiculous. Its become clear that nylander is a money guy so I wouldn't trust him with signing an extension at a lower deal
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Fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
 
McClelland said:
Nylander 2 first seasons in Nhl is close to identical to Tavares 2 first seasons.
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Except for the part where Tavares had a better season, scored more goals, and played a more important role/position, basically forced to carry his team alone.

And the part where Tavares signed a long-term team friendly deal after year 2 of his ELC as a hugely hyped recent 1st overall with a lot more leverage.

McClelland said:
Tavares contract handcuffs Tml, had been hard enough to keep the young core together without the Tavares signing.
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Except it does nothing of the sort, and there was never a risk that we couldn't keep the core together. There still isn't, unless Nylander prices himself out with outrageous demands.

McClelland said:
Nylanders tradevalue arent at the top when team know Tml situation, doesnt get you full value and needs when the season already started.
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What's the rush? Toronto holds all the cards. We have a great team. We can wait.

If teams are hesitant to trade because the season has started, who is this team sending out outrageous offer sheets that they can't afford mid-season?

McClelland said:
Nylander wants some insurance that he isnt a future tradechip, to show that you want him and believe in him you do like Oilers did with Draisaitl, Make him a less tradebait , its aa kind of a nmc for a rfa.
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RFAs can't get NTC/NMCs. Not sure where you are going with this, because the best way to ensure that you stay on this team full of amazing opportunities during their cup window is NOT by making unrealistic contract demands, holding out, and trying to get overpaid as an RFA. THAT is how you ensure you get traded.

McClelland said:
The problem is tht Tml wants him to take a discount which make him great trade asset, and he can end up in the dark longterm,
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No, we want him to take fair market value, which means that he can stay on this team instead of getting traded.
 
ToneDog said:
Leaf fans are saying this because Dreger said that Willie is asking Draisaitl money.
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Ok. So are all agreed that Nylander is a worse players (not a center, fewer points, not elite on the dot like Leon, not as good at ES, fewer goals, same age, etc) than Draisaitl and doesn't deserve the same kind of money? The only people who do are Nylander and his agent.

I need to bookmark this post/thread for future reference when some idiot starts a Nylander vs. Draisaitl thread.

Y'know... with the money saved from the Tavares signing... you'd think that extra $2M/yr could go to Nylander :)
 
https://www.tsn.ca/nylander-s-camp-appears-stuck-on-8m-aav-1.1186520

If he's not signed by December 1st, he can't play this season. What a shame that'd be.

His stubborn agent appears to be unwilling to budge on that initial $8 mil ask, though. You'd think if Nylander truly wanted to play in Toronto like he said, he'd sign regardless of what his agent is set on, for the best interests of his career and also his reputation.

Looking pretty selfish right now.

Commander Clueless said:
It's clearly Wee Willy Nylander.

Isn't that a Joe Bowen classic?
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Yeah I was just gonna say, that's probably the best part about Nylander not playing right now. We don't have to listen to Joe Bowen call him that, repeatedly, in hopes that it sticks around as an actual nickname for the kid. :facepalm: :laugh:
 
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TOGuy14 said:
As a Jets fan you should probably stay focused on your own trams cap crunch

They have a malcontent D looking to strike it big and constantly making noise about it in the media / requesting a trade. Laine is going to try and map himself to Matthews and Connor will be looking at this Nylander discussion as his comp

If anything it’s in your best interest Toronto signs favorable deals with tbeir RFAs...
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but we don't have doogie howser as our gm and a hockey executive who signed an offersheet when he played then asks current players to take a hometown discounts.
 
Bill Ny has got no leverage. Work it out and get on the ice, pretty boy. We've got cups to win. ;)
 
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