Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ACC1224]

We’re talkin about the money on the contracts not winning brother

Winning is all that matters. No one should hope for failure just to keep a cap hit down.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Let’s have a realistic discussion about the potential return. Which #1 goalie or first line defender do you see us getting for pending ufa winger known for high contract demands? If it’s a couple of firsts, you know they would be late firsts, who probably wouldn’t contribute til Matthews and Marner are in their 30’s…and that’s if they ever end up contributing at all. The typical return for player like Nylander is usually a late 1st, a b prospect, and a cap dump player to make salaries work. Any of these options is taking a step back with regards to winning the cup i during Matthews and Marner’s prime years.

I questioned in an earlier post if they could even find what they need as a return. Probably not. So then it comes down to if they can afford him at all and what they *might* be able to get in a trade. So the real question is: would you trade him for two 1sts and $11M in cap space rather than maybe lose him entirely to free agency? That's a very real scenario.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I just don't understand how any GM in any sport still values a contract year into an extension or signing.

I mean, no GM in the sport only considers contract year when signing a contract.
People here just seem to think they do.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I questioned in an earlier post if they could even find what they need as a return. Probably not. So then it comes down to if they can afford him at all and what they *might* be able to get in a trade. So the real question is: would you trade him for two 1sts and $11M in cap space rather than maybe lose him entirely to free agency? That's a very real scenario.

Depends on 2 things.

1
How big a maybe is losing him? We can't possibly know this so we can't give an answer but I would hope that the people running the circus are in a better position than we are to answer that question.

2
Are we giving up on winning the cup this season?

 

[WillyC]

Willy should stop taking the subway… too dangerous and unpredictable.

Bundy should be picking him up.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Depends on 2 things.

1
How big a maybe is losing him? We can't possibly know this so we can't give an answer but I would hope that the people running the circus are in a better position than we are to answer that question.

2
Are we giving up on winning the cup this season?

Unless anyone here or in the organization is a time traveler, you never know. Even if you keep him...what if you lose like 3-4 of your top 4D to injury by the time you hit the Stanley Cup finals? Buffalo Sabres had that happen against Carolina Hurricanes.

I'd really need to know by the time the trade deadline rolls around if he's staying or not. If there isn't an extension, you trade him.

We've had him for other playoff series and didn't win those either, so outcome won't be greatly effected.

 

[Sundinisagod]

I questioned in an earlier post if they could even find what they need as a return. Probably not. So then it comes down to if they can afford him at all and what they *might* be able to get in a trade. So the real question is: would you trade him for two 1sts and $11M in cap space rather than maybe lose him entirely to free agency? That's a very real scenario.

Willy for 1 more playoff run and still retaining his rights and the best chance of re signing him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a couple late firsts

Considering Nylander’s father and agent, I could see them/him testing the ufa market to see what’s out there and if/ how much he’d be leaving on the table, before deciding to accept Toronto’s offer. I’m optimistic a deal gets done because we will continue to pay our stars whatever they want and Willy loves it here, great fit for both sides.

 

[arso40]

Winning is all that matters. No one should hope for failure just to keep a cap hit down.

I never told you winning doesn’t matter and I never said hope for failure I told you specifically what I was referring to. Where’d you get the other stuff?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Willy should stop taking the subway… too dangerous and unpredictable.

Bundy should be picking him up.

Subway delay is always a valid excuse if he's late.

 

[thewave]

Willy should stop taking the subway… too dangerous and unpredictable.

Bundy should be picking him up.

TTC just needs to give this man 500k to take a picture of him smiling, thumbs up and a caption.. Ride the rocket, imagine he gets the Rocket this year. That would be insane. Take our money!

 

[Dragao6]

At this point for me it’s an easy sign nylander trade marner situation.

I’ve been impressed not just his offence but 88 has been doing good job at coming back and helping defend

Now I think I give it more time also because he’s not gonna keep this pace up for entire season, if he does u trade him for McDavid lol

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Depends on 2 things.

1
How big a maybe is losing him? We can't possibly know this so we can't give an answer but I would hope that the people running the circus are in a better position than we are to answer that question.

2
Are we giving up on winning the cup this season?

Well, after last night I may change my tune because they played solid. If you had asked me yesterday at this time I was ready to give up on this season because they've been bad so far until last night. To answer the first part, think about the guys they've lost to free agency because they couldn't afford them in the last few years. So my guess is it's a distinct possibility. I honestly don't know where they're going to find the money to re-sign him and Marner. And to circle back, I LOVE Nylander. This isn't an attack on him, it's just me trying to be realistic and unfortunately, the best guy on the team for the time being happens to be the the only tradeable, valuable asset they have. Add in my Michael Nylander conspiracy nut part (if you think there's any possible truth to my thoughts on that at all) and the reasons start to pile up.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Willy for 1 more playoff run and still retaining his rights and the best chance of re signing him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a couple late firsts

Considering Nylander’s father and agent, I could see them/him testing the ufa market to see what’s out there and if/ how much he’d be leaving on the table, before deciding to accept Toronto’s offer. I’m optimistic a deal gets done because we will continue to pay our stars whatever they want and Willy loves it here, great fit for both sides.

Willy's UFA the end of this season. How do they get just one more playoff run out of him and still retain his rights?

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Give Willy and Mitch matching 10x8 deals and call it a day. If Mitchy doesn't like it, let him walk.

 

[Drytoast]

Give Willy and Mitch matching 10x8 deals and call it a day. If Mitchy doesn't like it, let him walk.

What are you going to pay your goalie? Or third line center? Or that stalwart stay at home defenseman?

 

[Sundinisagod]

Willy's UFA the end of this season. How do they get just one more playoff run out of him and still retain his rights?

I’m not sure if I worded it poorly, I meant if they don’t trade him, they still have him for that playoff run, and they still have all that extra time period to re sign him plus the chance he would stay here after testing out the market.

 

[ULF_55]

Willy's UFA the end of this season. How do they get just one more playoff run out of him and still retain his rights?

Until July 1st. they could trade his negotiation rights.

 

[sunstersun]

Fck trading his negotiation rights, screw one more playoff run. This is a guy who has gotten better every season. Every single one. Despite the media, and boomers giving him a extra hard time, for mostly stupid reasons.

He shows up in the playoffs, plays with Tavares vs Matthews and was the only one of the core 3 to get the stick in contract negotiations.

Everyone else we bent over.

Now that he's performing like the best or 2nd best player on the Leafs, we won't sign him?

Sign him. Then think about moving on from Marner, who's been completely worthless this season in totality. A perfect example of a player who's point totals do not reflect play in a negative way.

Nylander can force things with his speed and shot. Marner's "magic," gets noticeably more big turnovers and flipping the puck over the net in the playoffs.

 

[Evilhomer]

This thread reminds me of the exaggeration thread. One day between now and the end of June you will see a tweet saying that the Leafs have signed Nylander. Some will hate the number, others will think it's a great deal for the team. It's all irrelevant. There is no circumstance under which Toronto will let him go, so they will ultimately offer him enough to persuade him to pass on free agency. And, yes, the same will then happen with Marner. They will continue to make the cap work by spending less on goaltending, which history has proven is the right approach.

 

[rumman]

I like Nylander (a lot). Trade him while his stock is soaring. Anyone that knows Michael Nylander's history knows his MO was to have a career year going into free agency then sign with the highest bidder and completely suck after that. Rinse and repeat. Ask yourself who you think William's taking the most advice from. Plus I don't think this team is going anywhere with this current lineup. They're 1 point ahead of Buffalo for the last WC spot and are lucky to even be in that position after the two early season comebacks with the goalie pulled. I bet after tonight they're out of the playoffs.

Not trying to be pessimistic here, it's a positive thing. They have a huge tradeable asset in Nylander. Use it because he'll have a full NMC next year and it could be Huberdeau City after that.

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I’ve had the same concerns, guy’s playing unbelievably right now, would that change after the inks dry on his new deal, I sure hope not, but you never know? Regardless 88 is setting himself up for a very lucrative contract not doubt about it………

He's the best he's ever been right now. Not really debatable. Even if you think that's just a coincidence and he's just hit his prime, I still say he's the one major tradeable asset they have right now and they should either accept they don't have it this season or trade him for someone that will make them viable this year (defenseman or goalie - but of course, where would we find that?).

I would trade him in a heartbeat right now for the right return or closer to the deadline maybe. And again, I love the player. I just love the asset more.

I’d trade God himself if it helped the team, no one should be untouchable if it would improve the team imo…….

 

[rumman]

You're absolutely correct. That's the fact of the matter but the situation is not favorable to the team. When you factor in the pay and what he does he is the better asset overall right now vs Marner. We do need a D core or futures to work towards winning right now though. They should have pullled the trigger on Mitch Marner before his NMC kicked.

So many missteps with this organization.

Dubas’ sneaky timing on the Marner contract was insurance policy imo, left little to no time for a new GM to trade 16.……..

 

[Dekes For Days]

Dubas’ sneaky timing on the Marner contract was insurance policy imo, left little to no time for a new GM to trade 16.……..

They didn't trade Marner because trading Marner is a ridiculous idea that hurts the team. Had nothing to do with supposed time restraints.

 

[rumman]

Give Willy and Mitch matching 10x8 deals and call it a day. If Mitchy doesn't like it, let him walk.

What if neither 16 or 88 are happy with $10 million? Riddle me that Batman……..

 

[rumman]

Until July 1st. they could trade his negotiation rights.

So far the moves Tre has made haven’t exactly endeared himself to Leaf Nation, can you imagine if 88 walks for nothing or for as little as what his negotiating rights are worth?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well, after last night I may change my tune because they played solid. If you had asked me yesterday at this time I was ready to give up on this season because they've been bad so far until last night. To answer the first part, think about the guys they've lost to free agency because they couldn't afford them in the last few years. So my guess is it's a distinct possibility. I honestly don't know where they're going to find the money to re-sign him and Marner. And to circle back, I LOVE Nylander. This isn't an attack on him, it's just me trying to be realistic and unfortunately, the best guy on the team for the time being happens to be the the only tradeable, valuable asset they have. Add in my Michael Nylander conspiracy nut part (if you think there's any possible truth to my thoughts on that at all) and the reasons start to pile up.

I get where you're coming from, but I think a big problem is that Nylander isn't worth that much as a rental. The time to trade one of the big guns was after we lost to MTL, Marner as a 1st team all-star under contract for 4 more years was worth a ton and trading him was a way of changing the dynamic of the team. If you're going to move Willie, you may as well sit down with M&M first, tell them the team is going nowhere and it's time to tear it all down and basically force them to agree to trades, get rid of everyone in one fell swoop. Ask JT if he wants to go as well and if not, he can stay to lead the tank and look to rise again 5 years again now or whatever.

I'm making no assumptions about Nylander because of anything his father was or wasn't, but that's me.