Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[TakeTheBody]

It seems obvious this plan of paying four guys so much of your cap doesn't work. Year after year we have problems with third and fourth line production. Matthews isn't going anywhere. Were stuck with JT. I like Marner a lot, he's a great player. I LOVE Styles. Marner is paid more, the league sees him as more productive. I reluctantly trade Mitch because you can get more in return.
Dubas drafted decently. BUT to pay these four guys and the Marleau fiasco he had to give away number one draft picks. That hurt our depth. And the chance to pay good young players cheaply for awhile. I hope the Dubas family is fine.

 

[81Leafs50]

William Nylander has completely passed Marner on the Leafs depth chart. He has killed the notion that the Leafs need a pure playmaker to score goals. Tavares doesn't need Marner to score. Nylander certainly doesn't. Last but not least Matthews doesn't need Marner either. Time to acquire assets for Marner and free up 11M in cap space before he asks for $12M in the offseason on a new contract. Marner is not worth 11M let alone 12M.

 

[capfit9]

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William Nylander has completely passed Marner on the Leafs depth chart. He has killed the notion that the Leafs need a pure playmaker to score goals. Tavares doesn't need Marner to score. Nylander certainly doesn't. Last but not least Matthews doesn't need Marner either. Time to acquire assets for Marner and free up 11M in cap space before he asks for $12M in the offseason on a new contract. Marner is not worth 11M let alone 12M.

All I know is that Nylander’s trade value is sky high right now & you could get a boatload back. Just sayin’

 

[keonsbitterness]

All I know is that Nylander’s trade value is sky high right now & you could get a boatload back. Just sayin’

What team is giving us quality boatload for a player with no term left?

 

[notDatsyuk]

When was the last time they had a guy they have control over that's this good that they also won't be able to afford to re-sign?

The "won't be able to afford to re-sign" is pure speculation.

"The last time they had a guy they have control over that's this good" would be Matthews (and maybe Marner) last summer.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Yup, but you probably can't ice as good a team until JT comes off the books the following year, at which point Mitch will be up again. Oh what fun.

Not sure about that. If Marner comes in under Matthews, or if we wait until the offseason to extend him we could still add important pieces. Even with an extension.

The cap next year is expected to rise to about 87.5M. Let's say worst case Nylander is at 10.5M. Marner's extension comes in at 12M. You have Matthews at 13.5M and Tavares at 11M for one more season.

That still leaves you 40.5M for the rest of the roster.

Knies (925K)
Matthews (13.25M)
Marner (12M)

Tavares (11M)
Nylander (10.5M)
Cowan (935K)

Domi (3M)
Robertson (1.2M)
Jarnkrok (2.1M)

McMann (925K)
Holmberg (800K)
Steeves (925K)

Rielly (7.5M)
Pesce (7.5M)
McCabe (2M)
Tanev (4.5M)
Liljegren (2M)
Dman ($1-4M)

Woll (766K)
Backup (1.5M)

Waive Reaves (1.35M)
Dump Kampf (2.4M)

Total = $83.326M
Cap space remaining = $4.174M

 

[Jojalu]

Not sure about that. If Marner comes in under Matthews, or if we wait until the offseason to extend him we could still add important pieces. Even with an extension.

The cap next year is expected to rise to about 87.5M. Let's say worst case Nylander is at 10.5M. Marner's extension comes in at 12M. You have Matthews at 13.5M and Tavares at 11M for one more season.

That still leaves you 40.5M for the rest of the roster.

Knies (925K)
Matthews (13.25M)
Marner (12M)

Tavares (11M)
Nylander (10.5M)
Cowan (935K)

Domi (3M)
Robertson (1.2M)
Jarnkrok (2.1M)

McMann (925K)
Holmberg (800K)
Steeves (925K)

Rielly (7.5M)
Pesce (7.5M)
McCabe (2M)
Tanev (4.5M)
Liljegren (2M)
Dman ($1-4M)

Woll (766K)
Backup (1.5M)

Waive Reaves (1.35M)
Dump Kampf (2.4M)

Total = $83.326M
Cap space remaining = $4.174M

Hmm.

Adding Tanev and Pesce would be great

 

[rumman]

Lou left for the Islanders on his own - he wasn't fired.

Exact same situation

man I got to hand it to you, you do know how to look at the details. Lou was "relieved" of his duties which were given to Dubas. Technically fired? No, replaced and shuffled off to mgmt's version of Robidas Island? Yes........

 

[nuck]

It seems obvious this plan of paying four guys so much of your cap doesn't work. Year after year we have problems with third and fourth line production. Matthews isn't going anywhere. Were stuck with JT. I like Marner a lot, he's a great player. I LOVE Styles. Marner is paid more, the league sees him as more productive. I reluctantly trade Mitch because you can get more in return.
Dubas drafted decently. BUT to pay these four guys and the Marleau fiasco he had to give away number one draft picks. That hurt our depth. And the chance to pay good young players cheaply for awhile. I hope the Dubas family is fine.

Mitch has a no move so you probably get less. He can direct the club to a one of one choice in trade partners or he just hangs and goes to UFA without losing a nickel. With Willie you still don't have true flexibility but you can invite the top couple of dance partners to talk to his team about the possibility of an extension. Plus his next deal doesn't start at $10.9M. Without the NM its a different discussion but one is much easier and if WN is dealt before he cools off it will be a big return.

 

[ACC1224]

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William Nylander has completely passed Marner on the Leafs depth chart. He has killed the notion that the Leafs need a pure playmaker to score goals. Tavares doesn't need Marner to score. Nylander certainly doesn't. Last but not least Matthews doesn't need Marner either. Time to acquire assets for Marner and free up 11M in cap space before he asks for $12M in the offseason on a new contract. Marner is not worth 11M let alone 12M.

That's some funny shit right there.

 

[nuck]

Hmm.

Adding Tanev and Pesce would be great

Tanev is older than Brodie with a track record of injuries. He will want a raise and term into his old age. Pesce would seem to be nice but every D who plays in Carolina looks good. Do they stay good when they leave?

 

[capfit9]

What team is giving us quality boatload for a player with no term left?

Teams with cap space next year who can allocate significant AAV to an elite player. A player likely looking for an 8 year term & a team looking to get ahead of free agency next year looking to eliminate other interested teams.

 

[Nineteen67]

Trading Marner or Nylander would ideally return some very good proven top end D and then use Brodie’s, Klingberg’s and Tavares‘ cap on lower end gamers.

The problem, as we all know, is top D are not usually available and they may have to expand any deal to include a Knies or maybe Rielly.

 

[Nineteen67]

Teams with cap space next year who can allocate significant AAV to an elite player. A player likely looking for an 8 year term & a team looking to get ahead of free agency next year looking to eliminate other interested teams.

I would assume any trade involving Nylander would be a sign and trade.

 

[Jojalu]

Tanev is old than Brodie with a track record of injuries. He will want a raise and term into his old age. Pesce would seem to be nice but every D who plays in Carolina looks good. Do they stay good when they leave?

Fair question.

Tanev has remained healthy in Calgary. If he would take 2 years I would still be very interested

 

[capfit9]

I would assume any trade involving Nylander would be a sign and trade.

Yep

 

[Dekes For Days]

With Matthews having signed a new 4-year extension at $13.25M per season as an all-situations center, and Marner having this season and next remaining at $10.9M per season as the team's top line right winger, it would be surprising to see Nylander, who is outperforming both players at the moment, sign for less than $10.5M.

No it wouldn't, because everybody knows (or should know) that the contract is based on a heck of a lot more than 15 games.

 

[ACC1224]

Fair question.

Tanev has remained healthy in Calgary. If he would take 2 years I would still be very interested

Better be a lot more than Tanev coming back for Nylander.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Hmm.

Adding Tanev and Pesce would be great

Not sure if I underpaid or overpaid them though. I tried my best to be realistic.

 

[ToneDog]

Not sure about that. If Marner comes in under Matthews, or if we wait until the offseason to extend him we could still add important pieces. Even with an extension.

The cap next year is expected to rise to about 87.5M. Let's say worst case Nylander is at 10.5M. Marner's extension comes in at 12M. You have Matthews at 13.5M and Tavares at 11M for one more season.

That still leaves you 40.5M for the rest of the roster.

Knies (925K)
Matthews (13.25M)
Marner (12M)

Tavares (11M)
Nylander (10.5M)
Cowan (935K)

Domi (3M)
Robertson (1.2M)
Jarnkrok (2.1M)

McMann (925K)
Holmberg (800K)
Steeves (925K)

Rielly (7.5M)
Pesce (7.5M)
McCabe (2M)
Tanev (4.5M)
Liljegren (2M)
Dman ($1-4M)

Woll (766K)
Backup (1.5M)

Waive Reaves (1.35M)
Dump Kampf (2.4M)

Total = $83.326M
Cap space remaining = $4.174M

Marner is still at 11m next year but you have a totally different roster so it is hard to say what our roster looks like after we sign Willie for the 10.5 you proposed. My thinking is that if Matty and Willie consume more than the increase in cap, most likely we are slightly weaker. That is not factoring in adding a Cowan or a Minten and they make a serious impact.

 

[Al14]

It would be great if a new contract for Nylander is agreed to, and signed, this coming week in Sweden !!!

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Marner is still at 11m next year but you have a totally different roster so it is hard to say what our roster looks like after we sign Willie for the 10.5 you proposed. My thinking is that if Matty and Willie consume more than the increase in cap, most likely we are slightly weaker. That is not factoring in adding a Cowan or a Minten and they make a serious impact.

If Cowan and/or Minten or some other prospect like Steeves/Abruzesse play well enough to make the roster next year and actually stick, it would help a ton. Knies and Woll making peanuts for one more year already helps. Hopefully Robertson doesn't come in at much over 1M in RFA.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

The "won't be able to afford to re-sign" is pure speculation.

"The last time they had a guy they have control over that's this good" would be Matthews (and maybe Marner) last summer.

They had control over Matthews and Marner for a total of 3 days this past summer. Not quite the same as someone they can demand a list of 10 teams as trade targets between now and the deadline.

 

[ULF_55]

They had control over Matthews and Marner for a total of 3 days this past summer. Not quite the same as someone they can demand a list of 10 teams as trade targets between now and the deadline.

If marner would waive they can sell him for this year and next year to a team.
If Matthews would waive the can sell him for this year and 4 more years.

Both would return more than Nylander for just this year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If Cowan and/or Minten or some other prospect like Steeves/Abruzesse play well enough to make the roster next year and actually stick, it would help a ton. Knies and Woll making peanuts for one more year already helps. Hopefully Robertson doesn't come in at much over 1M in RFA.

I wouldn't be surprised if we traded most of those guys for a couple of Calgary Dmen or whatever else though. Our cupboards keep getting more and more empty with each passing year and I don't expect this season to be any different in that regard.