Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[The Hanging Jowl]

If marner would waive they can sell him for this year and next year to a team.
If Matthews would waive the can sell him for this year and 4 more years.

Both would return more than Nylander for just this year.

OK but that's not control. They control Nylander right now with the limited NTC. Marner and Matthews can say no, Nylander can't. And guaranteed a contending team would pay a lot for him at the deadline. After the way the Leafs played the other night, I don't know if I'm interested in moving him so much anymore. I will reserve judgement until I see them put together a string of quality games before forming a real opinion.

 

[Arzak]

OK but that's not control. They control Nylander right now with the limited NTC. Marner and Matthews can say no, Nylander can't. And guaranteed a contending team would pay a lot for him at the deadline. After the way the Leafs played the other night, I don't know if I'm interested in moving him so much anymore. I will reserve judgement until I see them put together a string of quality games before forming a real opinion.

The question should be, are we more likely to win the cup with Matthews Nylander or Matthews Marner?

You're not wrong, but trading Nylander now so we can enjoy Marner @12M later is madness.

 

[notdoneyet]

Give Willy 8x10 worry about cap later
Sign him this week in front of his grandmother who has never seen him play live. Make it a grand occasion like we can.

If he won’t sign then trade him when we get home.
There is no way we can afford to lose Willy for nothing
This will set us back years.

Give him his money!

 

[Menzinger]

It would be great if a new contract for Nylander is agreed to, and signed, this coming week in Sweden !!!

It would be the PR coup of the season for Tre and the front office if they can pull it off. Hoping it happens

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Give Willy 8x10 worry about cap later
Sign him this week in front of his grandmother who has never seen him play live. Make it a grand occasion like we can.

If he won’t sign then trade him when we get home.
There is no way we can afford to lose Willy for nothing
This will set us back years.

Give him his money!

Sorry but there's just no way he accepts that while he's playing the way he's playing. Matthews is at $13.25 and Marner is at $10.9 and will certainly be looking for a raise (and Nylander's team knows it). My guess is Nylander asks for $12 and settles for $11.5 at best. And 8 years is a stretch too.

 

[ToneDog]

Sorry but there's just no way he accepts that while he's playing the way he's playing. Matthews is at $13.25 and Marner is at $10.9 and will certainly be looking for a raise (and Nylander's team knows it). My guess is Nylander asks for $12 and settles for $11.5 at best. And 8 years is a stretch too.

So you think the Nylander is worth more than Boston's best player Pasta, a rocket winner, MVP finalist, and 60 goal and 115 point player based on one 86 point season and a 15 game sample size? Not in a million years will Tre do that.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

So you think the Nylander is worth more than Boston's best player Pasta, a rocket winner, MVP finalist, and 60 goal and 115 point player based on one 86 point season and a 15 game sample size? Not in a million years will Tre do that.

No I don't think that. At all. I'm just thinking about how this all plays out and what his demands will be and I've given the context about his father and his team comparables. Time will tell.

 

[sunstersun]

So you think the Nylander is worth more than Boston's best player Pasta, a rocket winner, MVP finalist, and 60 goal and 115 point player based on one 86 point season and a 15 game sample size? Not in a million years will Tre do that.

Lol it angers me that marner makes more than pasta

 

[Evilhomer]

Sorry but there's just no way he accepts that while he's playing the way he's playing. Matthews is at $13.25 and Marner is at $10.9 and will certainly be looking for a raise (and Nylander's team knows it). My guess is Nylander asks for $12 and settles for $11.5 at best. And 8 years is a stretch too.

I think he will end up settling for less than $10 million per season, but maybe it's creeped up to high 9's at this point. He's not getting $12 million as a UFA.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Sorry but there's just no way he accepts that while he's playing the way he's playing. Matthews is at $13.25 and Marner is at $10.9 and will certainly be looking for a raise (and Nylander's team knows it). My guess is Nylander asks for $12 and settles for $11.5 at best. And 8 years is a stretch too.

An 8 year deal would be in Nylander’s favour and would carry a lower cap hit than say a 5year deal. We are talking about playing ages 28-36 here. At least 3 or 4 years in decline to be expected. He’s unlikely to be worth 11m at age 36. This 8th year is a big advantage for Toronto being able to re sign him. I’m thinking he takes 11 x 8 or 11.88 x 5/6 to stay in Toronto.

 

[capfit9]

I think he will end up settling for less than $10 million per season, but maybe it's creeped up to high 9's at this point. He's not getting $12 million as a UFA.

Also giving up 1 year as a UFA might cost him millions not to mention the signing bonuses that they tend to hand out

 

[notDatsyuk]

JT signed for 13.84% of the cap as a ufa and i endlessly read he gave us a discount.

Both Mitch and Willie are better players so see if they'll take 14% and put out a back story how mystery team x was ready to offer them 15-17% of the cap . maybe post Mitch in Leaf merch as a kid to cement how his heart has only been to play in Tor .

Signing JT for that much and then using it as a benchmark is what caused this (playoff) disaster over the last five seasons.

Let's not even think in those terms.

 

[notDatsyuk]

They had control over Matthews and Marner for a total of 3 days this past summer. Not quite the same as someone they can demand a list of 10 teams as trade targets between now and the deadline.

Where do you come up with "3 days"?

They each had their NMCs start July 1 this year, so the team had full control over both of them from the day they first signed with Toronto (July 28, 2015 for Marner and July 21, 2016 for Matthews) up until that day.

Even if you are looking at only this past summer, it's from the day the team was eliminated to the day the NMCs kicked in.

 

[notDatsyuk]

So you think the Nylander is worth more than Boston's best player Pasta, a rocket winner, MVP finalist, and 60 goal and 115 point player based on one 86 point season and a 15 game sample size? Not in a million years will Tre do that.

That really depends on who you're comparing him to.

If you compare him to Matty, Mitch, and JT, he's probably worth $12.

If you compare him to just Pastrnak, then $9-10 is reasonable.

But if you compare the others to Pastrnak, then Matty is worth maybe $10.5, Mitch maybe $9, and JT maybe $7.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Where do you come up with "3 days"?

They each had their NMCs start July 1 this year, so the team had full control over both of them from the day they first signed with Toronto (July 28, 2015 for Marner and July 21, 2016 for Matthews) up until that day.

Even if you are looking at only this past summer, it's from the day the team was eliminated to the day the NMCs kicked in.

Both player's NMC's kicked in Jul 1. Trades couldn't be made until after draft day (June 28).

 

[ZEBROA]

Nylander will slow down after Christmas , we Swedes eat like passing out crazy during that time of the year. One lingonberry to much and we explode.

So dont expect much from the Swedes a bit after the new year. He might have the one or more month of puckunluck before playoffs. Hope not this year.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lol it angers me that marner makes more than pasta

He doesn't actually, and not sure why that would anger anybody anyway.

 

[Gallagbi]

Both player's NMC's kicked in Jul 1. Trades couldn't be made until after draft day (June 28).

Why couldnt trades happen prior?

 

[Jojalu]

That really depends on who you're comparing him to.

If you compare him to Matty, Mitch, and JT, he's probably worth $12.

If you compare him to just Pastrnak, then $9-10 is reasonable.

But if you compare the others to Pastrnak, then Matty is worth maybe $10.5, Mitch maybe $9, and JT maybe $7.

How would Matthews be worth less than Pasta?

 

[ToneDog]

That really depends on who you're comparing him to.

If you compare him to Matty, Mitch, and JT, he's probably worth $12.

If you compare him to just Pastrnak, then $9-10 is reasonable.

But if you compare the others to Pastrnak, then Matty is worth maybe $10.5, Mitch maybe $9, and JT maybe $7.

Yup and it is most likely that is what Nylander does and his ask would be justified the way he has broken out this season. If I gave him $11m, it would be with the understanding that Mitch is gone or be prepared for Mitch to ask for Matty money again. Cap better rise significantly.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Why couldnt trades happen prior?

Well because there's a freeze on trades after the deadline in February so unless you wanted to trade your two biggest stars before then, you lost your leverage that day except for a tiny window of opportunity.

 

[ToneDog]

Well because there's a freeze on trades after the deadline in February so unless you wanted to trade your two biggest stars before then, you lost your leverage that day except for a tiny window of opportunity.

There is no freeze on trades after the deadline. Players traded after the deadline are not eligible for the playoffs.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

There is no freeze on trades after the deadline. Players traded after the deadline are not eligible for the playoffs.

OK but same diff. You're committing to tanking in the playoffs without out one or more of your best players. I said above I might have a different opinion about Nylander now that they finally had a tight game. My comments about trading him were entirely based on a) The team looked bad IMO the first 10 or so games and, b) I'm suspicious about him having a career year going into negotiations before UFA status. If they play like they did last game, no way in hell I'm trading Nylander.

 

[ToneDog]

OK but same diff. You're committing to tanking in the playoffs without out one or more of your best players. I said above I might have a different opinion about Nylander now that they finally had a tight game. My comments about trading him were entirely based on a) The team looked bad IMO the first 10 or so games and, b) I'm suspicious about him having a career year going into negotiations before UFA status. If they play like they did last game, no way in hell I'm trading Nylander.

I'd gladly overpay on one year deals to watch this version of Willie until father time takes him.

 

[notbias]

So you think the Nylander is worth more than Boston's best player Pasta, a rocket winner, MVP finalist, and 60 goal and 115 point player based on one 86 point season and a 15 game sample size? Not in a million years will Tre do that.

Never say never... check out Calgary's cap allocation... I can see Treliving giving him something crazy.

But I do agree with the rest... the sample size is too small to give him something too high.

Having said that... if we overpay a star player by a million I won't cry about it. I'd rather that than overpay some bottom-pairing D or bottom 6 forwards which most teams do.