Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ULF_55]

Because they've already committed to other guys all with no movement clauses and there's only so much money to go around. Nylander is going to be looking for a $4M raise and just happens to be the only star on the the team they have leverage over right now.

Tavares and Nylander just swap contracts. Tavares might even take Malkin money. Malkin is a winner, and he took 6.1mm, Tavares is more Mike Gartner than anything else.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

He isn't signing an extension elsewhere.

Which teams (not on his list) are going to give up a tonne for less than 1 year rental for Nylander?

I don't disagree with the sentiment, other than the garbage about his father. He's already said he didn't like moving around as a kid. He wasn't in control then, he is now.

Which GM is going to trade their best or second best forward on their first year in charge of a team that they have to prove themselves to?

Without Nylander Leafs are probably the Oilers right now.

So then tell me the plan how they re-sign him and Marner (the latter of which they have no control over).

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Tavares and Nylander just swap contracts. Tavares might even take Malkin money. Malkin is a winner, and he took 6.1mm, Tavares is more Mike Gartner than anything else.

I mean, you said part of my other post was "garbage". I'm not even sure if this post was just tongue-in-cheek or I'm missing the joke or something. You might be mocking for nonsense (which is fine) but this might also be pure insanity. Help me understand.

 

[Kiwi]

Just remember the only team that can offer Nylander that 8th year is us
That's a huge advantage especially when we also have the financial clout to give him extremely beneficial bonuses

I think 10M a year for 8 years with full bonuses is a fair deal and I'd be disappointed if that didn't get it done

 

[arso40]

Because they've already committed to other guys all with no movement clauses and there's only so much money to go around. Nylander is going to be looking for a $4M raise and just happens to be the only star on the the team they have leverage over right now.

Two wrongs don’t make it right

 

[arso40]

So then tell me the plan how they re-sign him and Marner (the latter of which they have no control over).

After nylanders contract everybody slots in there matthews is your franchise center no one gets that contract but him(sorry Mitch) Mitch gets an identical contract at best to wily unless marner wins the conn smyth then we’re really screwed

 

[TheRumble]

This is basically the cap situation next off season

Cap Jump - Will go up $4 million to $87 million

Brodie - Contract is expiring, $5 million off the books. Even if he comes back it will be for a lower number

Klingberg - He almost certainly will not be back, $4.1 off the books

Bertuzzi - $5.5 off the books. If he continues at his current pace he won't be getting this if he comes back.

Domi - $3 million, this is about a fair deal for him IMO.

So that's conservatively $21.5 million to play with. Matthews number is going up to $13.5 which means we have to factor that in so take $2.5 million off that.

That leaves $19.5 to bring bring back Nylander and then some.

Not extending Nylander in the off season is going to prove to be a big mistake. $10.5 was more than fair for him. The season he's having now justifies him asking for quite a bit more and opens the door up to a bidding war for him. This is why you extend your young stars early.

 

[Nineteen67]

This is basically the cap situation next off season

Cap Jump - Will go up $4 million to $87 million

Brodie - Contract is expiring, $5 million off the books. Even if he comes back it will be for a lower number

Klingberg - He almost certainly will not be back, $4.1 off the books

Bertuzzi - $5.5 off the books. If he continues at his current pace he won't be getting this if he comes back.

Domi - $3 million, this is about a fair deal for him IMO.

So that's conservatively $21.5 million to play with. Matthews number is going up to $13.5 which means we have to factor that in so take $2.5 million off that.

That leaves $19.5 to bring bring back Nylander and then some.

Not extending Nylander in the off season is going to prove to be a big mistake. $10.5 was more than fair for him. The season he's having now justifies him asking for quite a bit more and opens the door up to a bidding war for him. This is why you extend your young stars early.

Ideally Treliving moves on and they hire a competent GM to manage all the cap space. They’ve been waiting 6 yrs for the light at the end of the tunnel and I feel like Treliving will turn it into an oncoming train.

 

[Nineteen67]

After nylanders contract everybody slots in there matthews is your franchise center no one gets that contract but him(sorry Mitch) Mitch gets an identical contract at best to wily unless marner wins the conn smyth then we’re really screwed

Marner wins the Conn Smyth?
If that happens they don’t need to worry because they would have made SCF and likely won the Cup and they could sign him and let him let him be part of the celebration, or the more like scenario, they’ve moved Marner to a contender for a top pairing D and they now have cap space for Willy

 

[Gary Nylund]

But do you hope for that more than possibly addressing another need or saving $11M in cap space? Because that's the decision for sure.

I'll just use copy-paste your own words here - You don't have any way of knowing that's true more than I do.

 

[ACC1224]

After nylanders contract everybody slots in there matthews is your franchise center no one gets that contract but him(sorry Mitch) Mitch gets an identical contract at best to wily unless marner wins the conn smyth then we’re really screwed

The team would be screwed by a player winning a Conn Smythe?
You may have lost the plot here, winning is still the goal.

 

[ULF_55]

I mean, you said part of my other post was "garbage". I'm not even sure if this post was just tongue-in-cheek or I'm missing the joke or something. You might be mocking for nonsense (which is fine) but this might also be pure insanity. Help me understand.

The father thing is just imagination.

We could say marner will be leaving because he'll never be the McDavid of Toronto with Matthews there. marner's father won't let him re-sign in Toronto he'll have him go to a team without a "superstar" where no one can make more than he does and he'll always be McDavid and Paul can stride in and have his own marketing department and pocket all the "marner money."

Has any Leafs player been so adamant about staying in Toronto as Nylander? Hopping the subway to go to work ... he certainly looks like a Torontonian.

And I was being a bit rude ... apologies ... but arguments are frequently just speculative.

 

[ULF_55]

So then tell me the plan how they re-sign him and Marner (the latter of which they have no control over).

They'll have a year of hurt when both Nylander and Tavares are on the books. They'll need Knies, Minten, Hirvonen, Niemela and Kokkonen in the line-up, and they might need a GM who can trade for a salary retained one-year player(s) that are going to cost some assets to do so.

Nylander is playing like a top 5 pick, and you aren't getting a top 5 pick in a trade for a rental.

 

[ULF_55]

So then tell me the plan how they re-sign him and Marner (the latter of which they have no control over).

marner of course doesn't need be re-signed until the following year, and you bring up a good point. marner they don't control, he can walk if he wants. So it would be a very poor decision to let Nylander walk one year and marner walk the next.

Trading a 4 month rental isn't getting you a top player, unless the goal is depth players and prospect(s)?

Maybe Leafs would trade Cowan and Minten for a 4 month rental?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

The father thing is just imagination.

We could say marner will be leaving because he'll never be the McDavid of Toronto with Matthews there. marner's father won't let him re-sign in Toronto he'll have him go to a team without a "superstar" where no one can make more than he does and he'll always be McDavid and Paul can stride in and have his own marketing department and pocket all the "marner money."

Has any Leafs player been so adamant about staying in Toronto as Nylander? Hopping the subway to go to work ... he certainly looks like a Torontonian.

And I was being a bit rude ... apologies ... but arguments are frequently just speculative.

Oh I meant I didn't understand a word of your post (probably because I'm being dense. Except for the Michael Nylander part but I can assure you I didn't imagine that. People have talked about it for years and years:

“He was a talented guy but a me-first type, selfish. He wasn’t a coach killer, but he wasn’t committed to the team concept. If he gets his goals, gets his contract . . . whatever he can get out of it.”

Another who played with Michael called him “the worst teammate I ever had . . . it was always all about him.”

Big Read: What the Maple Leafs risked by drafting William Nylander

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[ULF_55]

Oh I meant I didn't understand a word of your post (probably because I'm being dense. Except for the Michael Nylander part but I can assure you I didn't imagine that. People have talked about it for years and years:

“He was a talented guy but a me-first type, selfish. He wasn’t a coach killer, but he wasn’t committed to the team concept. If he gets his goals, gets his contract . . . whatever he can get out of it.”

Another who played with Michael called him “the worst teammate I ever had . . . it was always all about him.”

Big Read: What the Maple Leafs risked by drafting William Nylander

www.sportsnet.ca

From everything I've read, that doesn't sound like William.

I am nothing like my father (was), maybe the opposite.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Its a much better situation figuring out the Marner situation with Nylander already signed long-term, then let Nylander go on the hopes Marner re-signs to fit everything under.

Also, its clear, Nylander and Marner should be making the same amount of money. If Nylander goes for 11x8, I'm not offering Marner anything over 11per, he can walk.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

From everything I've read, that doesn't sound like William.

I am nothing like my father (was), maybe the opposite.

Fine but I didn't just invent or "imagine" the idea, it's a narrative that's been out there for years. So when i say it's serendipitous Nylander's having a career year going into his first UFA contract, come on, I have legitimate questions and I bet management does too.

 

[hotpaws]

you don't trade elite play drivers like Willie and Mitch and Willie has taken it to the next level due to not slowing down his game to cater to JT

next year the depth suffers a bit but then JT's up and you let him walk , no interest in a slow motion net front winger masquerading as a C making anything more than 3m on a 2 yr deal

 

[ULF_55]

Fine but I didn't just invent or "imagine" the idea, it's a narrative that's been out there for years. So when i say it's serendipitous Nylander's having a career year going into his first UFA contract, come on, I have legitimate questions and I bet management does too.

We've read that about his father before.
I think we give individuals the benefit of the doubt, and not paint them with their father's sin.

 

[ACC1224]

Nylander and Marner both take after their mothers.

Those who voted ‘No’ in the poll, still feel the same way after seeing the player Nylander has turned into?
(There is an option to change your vote)

 

[Sundinisagod]

I've decided to abandon this part of the discussion (because there's no way to prove it) and focus on the fact he's the most tradeable asset they've had in decades. When was the last time they had a guy they have control over that's this good that they also won't be able to afford to re-sign? Any comments on that? Would you trade him for a genuine No.1 goaltender or first line defender or a couple of firsts?

Let’s have a realistic discussion about the potential return. Which #1 goalie or first line defender do you see us getting for pending ufa winger known for high contract demands? If it’s a couple of firsts, you know they would be late firsts, who probably wouldn’t contribute til Matthews and Marner are in their 30’s…and that’s if they ever end up contributing at all. The typical return for player like Nylander is usually a late 1st, a b prospect, and a cap dump player to make salaries work. Any of these options is taking a step back with regards to winning the cup i during Matthews and Marner’s prime years.

 

[Sypher04]

When was the last time they had a guy they have control over that's this good that they also won't be able to afford to re-sign

They absolutely can afford to re-sign him and it’s imperative they do.

 

[arso40]

The team would be screwed by a player winning a Conn Smythe?
You may have lost the plot here, winning is still the goal.

We’re talkin about the money on the contracts not winning brother

 

[arso40]

Fine but I didn't just invent or "imagine" the idea, it's a narrative that's been out there for years. So when i say it's serendipitous Nylander's having a career year going into his first UFA contract, come on, I have legitimate questions and I bet management does too.

Career year 3 years in a row