Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[The Hanging Jowl]

I like Nylander (a lot). Trade him while his stock is soaring. Anyone that knows Michael Nylander's history knows his MO was to have a career year going into free agency then sign with the highest bidder and completely suck after that. Rinse and repeat. Ask yourself who you think William's taking the most advice from. Plus I don't think this team is going anywhere with this current lineup. They're 1 point ahead of Buffalo for the last WC spot and are lucky to even be in that position after the two early season comebacks with the goalie pulled. I bet after tonight they're out of the playoffs.

Not trying to be pessimistic here, it's a positive thing. They have a huge tradeable asset in Nylander. Use it because he'll have a full NMC next year and it could be Huberdeau City after that.

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[leafsfan5]

I like Nylander (a lot). Trade him while his stock is soaring. Anyone that knows Michael Nylander's history knows his MO was to have a career year going into free agency then sign with the highest bidder and completely suck after that. Rinse and repeat. Ask yourself who you think William's taking the most advice from. Plus I don't think this team is going anywhere with this current lineup. They're 1 point ahead of Buffalo for the last WC spot and are lucky to even be in that position after the two early season comebacks with the goalie pulled. I bet after tonight they're out of the playoffs.

Not trying to be pessimistic here, it's a positive thing. They have a huge tradeable asset in Nylander. Use it because he'll have a full NMC next year and it could be Huberdeau City after that.

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Nylander has been doing well for multiple years though, this isn't some career 60-point scorer who is suddenly elite

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Nylander has been doing well for multiple years though, this isn't some career 60-point scorer who is suddenly elite

He's the best he's ever been right now. Not really debatable. Even if you think that's just a coincidence and he's just hit his prime, I still say he's the one major tradeable asset they have right now and they should either accept they don't have it this season or trade him for someone that will make them viable this year (defenseman or goalie - but of course, where would we find that?).

I would trade him in a heartbeat right now for the right return or closer to the deadline maybe. And again, I love the player. I just love the asset more.

 

[thewave]

He's the best he's ever been right now. Not really debatable. Even if you think that's just a coincidence and he's just hit his prime, I still say he's the one major tradeable asset they have right now and they should either accept they don't have it this season or trade him for someone that will make them viable this year (defenseman or goalie - but of course, where would we find that?).

I would trade him in a heartbeat right now for the right return or closer to the deadline maybe. And again, I love the player. I just love the asset more.

You're absolutely correct. That's the fact of the matter but the situation is not favorable to the team. When you factor in the pay and what he does he is the better asset overall right now vs Marner. We do need a D core or futures to work towards winning right now though. They should have pullled the trigger on Mitch Marner before his NMC kicked.

So many missteps with this organization.

 

[Menzinger]

I like Nylander (a lot). Trade him while his stock is soaring. Anyone that knows Michael Nylander's history knows his MO was to have a career year going into free agency then sign with the highest bidder and completely suck after that. Rinse and repeat. Ask yourself who you think William's taking the most advice from. Plus I don't think this team is going anywhere with this current lineup. They're 1 point ahead of Buffalo for the last WC spot and are lucky to even be in that position after the two early season comebacks with the goalie pulled. I bet after tonight they're out of the playoffs.

Not trying to be pessimistic here, it's a positive thing. They have a huge tradeable asset in Nylander. Use it because he'll have a full NMC next year and it could be Huberdeau City after that.

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Seems unlikely that his father is going to tell him to suck at hockey for no real reason.....

 

[Canadian Finn]

it saddens me to read people talking about trading Nylander when we have teh fruitcake Marner on the team.

I get that we can't trade him, but the idea that we would consider trading Willy and keeping fruitcake - that's so Leafs.

 

[Martin Skoula]

it saddens me to read people talking about trading Nylander when we have teh fruitcake Marner on the team.

I get that we can't trade him, but the idea that we would consider trading Willy and keeping fruitcake - that's so Leafs.

Yeah but remember when Nylander’s greedy dad got publicly involved in his contract negotiations, trashed his teammates in public, and demanded his son get paid 8 figures on threat of offer sheet? At least with Marner we’ll never have that problem, his family is Hunter-approved.

 

[thewave]

Letting Nylander walk would be an unmitigated disaster.

Trading him as a rental would be a mitigated disaster.

Getting him signed to a fair deal would be workable. JT would have to be moved on from.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Seems unlikely that his father is going to tell him to suck at hockey for no real reason.....

But would he say "Make sure you play the best hockey of your life going into free agency and take every penny you can."?

I didn't even remotely hint at what you said. And seriously, anyone that doubts Michael Nylanger hasn't given this advice is a little naive.

 

[Farsailor]

Lol checking in now and then in this thread just to see ppl are still about trading Nylander. Insane really.. Sign him and make him captain even. According to Domi the whole team is behind him in his monstariuos charge.

 

[Drytoast]

Lol checking in now and then in this thread just to see ppl are still about trading Nylander. Insane really.. Sign him and make him captain even. According to Domi the whole team is behind him in his monstariuos charge.

Not for what he wants

 

[Jojalu]

But would he say "Make sure you play the best hockey of your life going into free agency and take every penny you can."?

I didn't even remotely hint at what you said. And seriously, anyone that doubts Michael Nylanger hasn't given this advice is a little naive.

I just don't understand how any GM in any sport still values a contract year into an extension or signing.

So many athletes across multiple sports have had big years in contract years and never work out.

Or possibly we only remember the ones that don't and ignore the ones that do.

 

[Menzinger]

But would he say "Make sure you play the best hockey of your life going into free agency and take every penny you can."?

I didn't even remotely hint at what you said. And seriously, anyone that doubts Michael Nylanger hasn't given this advice is a little naive.

I don't think Nylanders getting particularly unique advice then. Everyone gets told something similar.

Nylander is a very different player than his father.

 

[WillyC]

Imagine what Willy would get after winning the Hart?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Some people in this thread have a clear bias.

Imagine being ok with paying Marner money he isn’t even worth on his current deal and being a playoff no show when it really counts and saying trade Nylander because of his dad.

Are we forgetting about Paul here? And what does Nylander really want? Any of you know? He’s easily worth 9.5-10. I’d give him that before paying powder puff Mitch another red cent he hasn’t earned on his next deal.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

To say that Nylander is having a career year only because he is coming into contract negotiations is unfair. Nylander has continued to improve each season, whereas Marner's progression has been stagnant.

Marner is a very good player, but he very much depends on the performance of his linemates to be successful as he generally depends on someone else to finish the play. Nylander is also a gifted passer, but he is also capable of creating and finishing his own chances. At times, looks like a one-man wrecking crew.

I would definitely choose Nylander over Marner if I could only have one of them.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I don't think Nylanders getting particularly unique advice then. Everyone gets told something similar.

Nylander is a very different player than his father.

Has nothing to do with if they're different players. The question is are they substantially different people?

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Has nothing to do with if they're different players. The question is are they substantially different people?

No

 

[Gary Nylund]

He's the best he's ever been right now. Not really debatable. Even if you think that's just a coincidence and he's just hit his prime, I still say he's the one major tradeable asset they have right now and they should either accept they don't have it this season or trade him for someone that will make them viable this year (defenseman or goalie - but of course, where would we find that?).

I would trade him in a heartbeat right now for the right return or closer to the deadline maybe. And again, I love the player. I just love the asset more.

Coincidence is a word that doesn't make sense here. He's just a player who's kept improving which to me is a good thing. Of course he's a better player now than he was 4 or 5 years ago, to me that makes complete sense.

But would he say "Make sure you play the best hockey of your life going into free agency and take every penny you can."?

I didn't even remotely hint at what you said. And seriously, anyone that doubts Michael Nylanger hasn't given this advice is a little naive.

And thinking he's going play much worse as soon as he signs his next deal is more than a little cynical.

 

[arso40]

He's the best he's ever been right now. Not really debatable. Even if you think that's just a coincidence and he's just hit his prime, I still say he's the one major tradeable asset they have right now and they should either accept they don't have it this season or trade him for someone that will make them viable this year (defenseman or goalie - but of course, where would we find that?).

I would trade him in a heartbeat right now for the right return or closer to the deadline maybe. And again, I love the player. I just love the asset more.

Yeah whatever bud

Coincidence is a word that doesn't make sense here. He's just a player who's kept improving which to me is a good thing. Of course he's a better player now than he was 4 or 5 years ago, to me that makes complete sense.


And thinking he's going play much worse as soon as he signs his next deal is more than a little cynical.

He’s done nothing to prove this is even possible everyone is holding on to the fact the kid wanted to get 6.9 million on his deal like get over it marner threaten to sign an offer sheet I don’t even hear that get mentioned

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

And thinking he's going play much worse as soon as he signs his next deal is more than a little cynical.

Because that's never happened? Ask Flames fans how they're feeling about Huberdeau these days.

Yeah whatever bud


He’s done nothing to prove this is even possible everyone is holding on to the fact the kid wanted to get 6.9 million on his deal like get over it marner threaten to sign an offer sheet I don’t even hear that get mentioned

Not your bud chief.

 

[weems]

If you trade Nylander and with a declining Tavares, our overall offense could become a major problem.

He's still getting better, is our most explosive player and has shown well in the past few playoffs.

With him being a UFA at the end of this season, I don't think we're going to get back a return that comes anywhere close to matching his impact to our team and even though we might become better defensively with said move our offensive ability could take a drastic hit.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Because that's never happened? Ask Flames fans how they're feeling about Huberdeau these days.

I didn't say it's "never happened", where are you getting that from?

Nylander is a young talent, who keeps improving. He had his best season in 21-22, improved on that in 22-23 and it he's on track to once again have his best season ever. That's 3 "career years" in a row so this narrative of yours that he's having a career year because he's heading into free agency is simply wrong.

 

[Sundinisagod]

Nylander isn’t taking a cent less than 11m per.

Think about it from his perspective, Marner got 10.9 as a rfa, Willy is ufa and has reached (if not surpassed) Marner at this point.

I expect an 88 million contract to be announced out of the blue…I think that’s what it would take for him to not explore the ufa market.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I didn't say it's "never happened", where are you getting that from?

Nylander is a young talent, who keeps improving. He had his best season in 21-22, improved on that in 22-23 and it he's on track to once again have his best season ever. That's 3 "career years" in a row so this narrative of yours that he's having a career year because he's heading into free agency is simply wrong.

You don't have any way of knowing that's true more than I do. And either way, so what? He's an extremely valuable asset right now with only a limited NTC. He's probably the most valuable trade bait this team has had in decades. Throw away everything I said about his motives and think about just that part. We can talk about the motives next year if they re-sign him and see if he follows in his dad's footsteps or not. They can't afford him BTW if he keeps playing this well - you're looking at $11M at this point given his equivalents on the team.