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What is your limit for a "Cap %" for Nylander


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Here is Marners fear of contact.... Watch him completely panic and throw this puck away when he thinks someone is gonna hit him. These are the same types of plays he constantly makes in the playoffs over the past few years:


Buttery softness. Should have traded this "super crazy elite", lily-livered creampuff while had the chance.
 
So Nylander extended his all-time Maple Leaf record tonight. Is it OK to say that his play this season has been super crazy elite, or is that phrase reserved for Money Mitch? Asking for a friend.
You guys are horrible we have both thank god we just go fix the d and 4th line
 
I love how Marner still puts up numbers, kills penalties but because he's been outplayed by Nylander we don't need him now.

Combined goals from Tavares, Marner, Nylander and Matthews this year - 30. 32 if you add in Rielly. Marner and Tavares have 5, Nylander has 7, Matthews has 13

Combined goals from the rest of the team - 11.

HF Board's Solution to the Problem - Guys, we need to trade Marner for more tough grit.
 
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Mitch has looked better and Nylander bounced back from a mediocre game or two with a great effort tonight. I think if Marner had a slightly more appropriate contract you'd be hard-pressed to find a team with two better top 2 RW's (in the regular season atleast). It's a shame we've just about wasted all the time we had from the only high value, big 3 contract in Nylander.
 
I love how Marner still puts up numbers, kills penalties but because he's been outplayed by Nylander we don't need him now.

Combined goals from Tavares, Marner, Nylander and Matthews this year - 30. 32 if you add in Rielly. Marner and Tavares have 5, Nylander has 7, Matthews has 13

Combined goals from the rest of the team - 11.

HF Board's Solution to the Problem - Guys, we need to trade Marner for more tough grit.
i think the solution was trade for cap space and 2 or 3 mid salary guys to improve overall team depth, esp if could be a dman...
 
i think the solution was trade for cap space and 2 or 3 mid salary guys to improve overall team depth, esp if could be a dman...
Those types of trades often end up as one team trading a $20 bill for 3 $5's.

Some ones from recent memory:

Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau

Jack Eichel for Peyton Krebs, Alex Tuch and 1st round pick (Noah Ostlund) - Now Buffalo wanted to restart their rebuild so this is fine. If this is what you want to do with the Leafs. I personally do not think this is a direction we should be going in.

Tyler Seguin for Loui Erikkson, Brendan Morrow, Reilly Smith and Matt Fraser

Someone on this very message board once suggested that we should have exposed Mitch Marner in the expansion draft and used the cap savings to sign Max Domi, David Savard and Ryan Suter.
 
Seems weird to praise Nylander for his point streak while taking a shot at Marner when Marner had a longer point streak just last season.
What's weird is that both streaks are noteworthy, but Nylander's streak is going largely ignored around here but when Marner was streaking, all the Pauls around here were losing their minds on a daily basis so I wasn't taking a shot at Marner, maybe taking a shot at the Pauls. I lilke to think I'm a fair minded person who likes balance and if it was Nylander getting all the praise while Marner was the one being largely ignored, I'd be pointing that out too.

For the record, IMHO, point streaks don't mean very much at all. I just want a team that plays to their potential in the playoffs.
 
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Seems weird to praise Nylander for his point streak while taking a shot at Marner when Marner had a longer point streak just last season.
There is all kinds of 'weird' in these threads, just enjoy the entertainment. :laugh:
 
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You guys are horrible we have both thank god we just go fix the d and 4th line
What needs fixing IMO is that this is a bunch of individuals who don't stick up for each other, not a team. I think a big part of the problem is that M&M are the de facto leaders of the team, and neither one has much in the way of leadership qualities. These things seem pretty hard to fix, if not impossible.

Not saying the D isn't a problem, I 100% agree with you there. It's just not the biggest problem that's even harder to fix.
 
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What's really weird are rabid Marner fans.

It's like can't you see his soft, turnover prone game, and weak shots from the blue line in playoffs? His absolute anti clutch gene?

His shot can't beat any goalie in a 1 on 1 situation. His assist production is a derivative of Matthews and heavy PP time.



Just watch the playoff goal highlights and with a straight face tell me Marner is dominating play or driving it.
 
What's really weird are rabid Marner fans.

It's like can't you see his soft, turnover prone game, and weak shots from the blue line in playoffs? His absolute anti clutch gene?

His shot can't beat any goalie in a 1 on 1 situation. His assist production is a derivative of Matthews and heavy PP time.



Just watch the playoff goal highlights and with a straight face tell me Marner is dominating play or driving it.


This post will be ignored once again. I'm not even sure Marner fans watched the playoffs, they can do with his point totals.

Not watching the game I would be Mitch's supporter too!
 
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Up and down this year as a team but if the playoffs aren't a sure thing, Nylander will need to be re-signed prior to TDL or I would have to trade him, not risking him walking for nothing, especially if the playoffs aren't a slam dunk.
 
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Re-sign Nylander
Trade Marner

Marner is ridiculous with his contract demands and has no threat to shoot. Instead of paying him 12M+ we can get two or three decent players to replace him.

I think Marner's scoring ability gets so underrated...

over the last 3 yeas (plus this year)

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The point gap is big enough that the 8 goal differential is not that crucial...

Here is Marners fear of contact.... Watch him completely panic and throw this puck away when he thinks someone is gonna hit him. These are the same types of plays he constantly makes in the playoffs over the past few years:



There is a difference between being scared and thinking you will get hit so trying to avoid it...

He should have taken the hit and had the puck taken away that way though, you're right.

Nylander's pull up in the corner/for any puck battle where he might get hit is much, much worse.
 
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So Nylander extended his all-time Maple Leaf record tonight. Is it OK to say that his play this season has been super crazy elite, or is that phrase reserved for Money Mitch? Asking for a friend.
Willy wants a big payday, and is making a hard case for it, Bertuzzi and Domi not so much. I always loved the Bruins legend Johnny Bucyk, he only signed 1 year contracts, said it kept him honest. They don’t make em like that anymore………
 
What's weird is that both streaks are noteworthy, but Nylander's streak is going largely ignored around here but when Marner was streaking, all the Pauls around here were losing their minds on a daily basis so I wasn't taking a shot at Marner, maybe taking a shot at the Pauls. I lilke to think I'm a fair minded person who likes balance and if it was Nylander getting all the praise while Marner was the one being largely ignored, I'd be pointing that out too.

For the record, IMHO, point streaks don't mean very much at all. I just want a team that plays to their potential in the playoffs.
Marner’s point streak was nearly twice as long. I’m sure if Nylander gets even close to breaking Marner’s it will be a big deal just like it was when Mitch was breaking the record.
 
What's really weird are rabid Marner fans.

It's like can't you see his soft, turnover prone game, and weak shots from the blue line in playoffs? His absolute anti clutch gene?

His shot can't beat any goalie in a 1 on 1 situation. His assist production is a derivative of Matthews and heavy PP time.



Just watch the playoff goal highlights and with a straight face tell me Marner is dominating play or driving it.


Ok sure he cries during games, avoids contact, and avoids all accountability, but sometimes he gets 4 secondary assists making 5 foot passes to the D before someone else does all the work for a goal. No one else could pull that off.
 
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Marner’s point streak was nearly twice as long. I’m sure if Nylander gets even close to breaking Marner’s it will be a big deal just like it was when Mitch was breaking the record.
Marner's streak is a bigger deal for sure, but what Nylander's doing isn't nothing either. Let's say for arguments sake that on a scale of 1 to 10, Marner's streak is a 7 and Nylander's streak is only a 3. All I'm saying is that based on the reactions here, you'd think Marner's is a 9.99 and Nylander's is a 1.

Streaks are no big deal, so kind of understandable that Nylander's is barely noticed here. And the fact that Marner's streak made some people go crazy also makes sense, because some people here lose their minds anytime Marner does anything noteworthy.

I'll go crazy myself when the team does something noteworthy, in the mean time it's amusing to see people celebrate regular season this and that as if it actually means anything. Keefe said something like that after the game as well that I thought was spot on, something like people are happy that they're getting a lot of individual points, but we need to focus on not getting scored on ourselves so much.
 
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If we let him go because he wants to be paid what he’s earned after being the only guy to not ask for 11 million after his ELC, this team deserves every bit of failure comes it’s way.

Ridiculous you have Marner out there earning so much money whiffing on open nets and being a general idiot with the puck but want to nickel and dime your best player so far this season.
 
I think Marner's scoring ability gets so underrated...

over the last 3 yeas (plus this year)

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The point gap is big enough that the 8 goal differential is not that crucial...



There is a difference between being scared and thinking you will get hit so trying to avoid it...

He should have taken the hit and had the puck taken away that way though, you're right.

Nylander's pull up in the corner/for any puck battle where he might get hit is much, much worse.
You do realize that over the last three seasons Nylander has taken about 10% more hits than Marner, while giving the puck away about half as often.
 
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