Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[BallardEra]

Why William Nylander is choosing to stay in Toronto says a lot about the Maple Leafs

Nylander can make more money elsewhere, but it comes down to pressure, and in Toronto there is none

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Evilhomer]

Why William Nylander is choosing to stay in Toronto says a lot about the Maple Leafs

Nylander can make more money elsewhere, but it comes down to pressure, and in Toronto there is none

www.theglobeandmail.com

Kelly might be one of the worst sports "journalists" in the city, which is saying something. The Globe has gone downhill in a lot of ways, and it was never much for sports to begin with, but this guy is a far cry from Brunt or Proudfoot.

 

[Arzak]

The question isn't even what we could have done with an extra 3.5m, because an extra 3.5m was never an option.
We had two options. Pay them the reasonable contracts they got, consistent with post-ELC contract history. Or offer the above and watch them laugh at the insult and leave.
We'd have a lot of cap space then. A horrible team, with all our best players gone and no way to replace them, re-entering an endless rebuild, but lots of cap space.

The worst-case scenario would be Leafs matching offer sheet .

Or do we want to pretend they would play 1 year somewhere in Europe for what? There is not league that can afford to pay players anything close to NHL. Not to mention their value upon return would plummet.

Explain Marner laughing @8M per and leaving. Where is Marner? We hold his NHL rights, we could match the offer sheet so that's not really exit option .*

*not to mention no offer sheet happened

 

[Arzak]

Why William Nylander is choosing to stay in Toronto says a lot about the Maple Leafs

Nylander can make more money elsewhere, but it comes down to pressure, and in Toronto there is none

www.theglobeandmail.com

Interesting comparison.

The outside pressure in Toronto is nil, but people never shut up about all the pressure – so it’s even less than nothing.

Hockey players feel more pressure in Anaheim or New Jersey. Failure in those cities has a visible effect – it’s staring you in the face in the form of empty seats. In Toronto, it always looks as though the team is winning. Whether it is immaterial.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The worst-case scenario would be Leafs matching offer sheet

Even if we chose to and could match offer sheets, that would leave us worse off than what we ended up doing.

*not to mention no offer sheet happened

Actually two offer sheets happened. The other signed before offer sheets were an option, but he would have absolutely got them too.

 

[Drytoast]

I can't give specifics because I don't know who was, is, or will be available. But don't fall into the trap of thinking 'who could I get for $3.5m', thats not it. Rather its who could I have gotten INSTEAD of Domi for $3.5m MORE than I paid him...or what kind of D-man could I have for $5.5m INSTEAD of McCabe for 2m. Or maybe even better, how many players can you take on around the trade deadline if you have an extra $3.5m to fit a trade candidate under the cap.

Domi was a decent gamble (he got 56 f***ing points last year). He's not playing like his usual self and neither is Bertuzzi. Both these players played on other teams with grit. And it's not happened here. I dunno why that is but it's not a coincidence.

 

[freshwind]

Actually two offer sheets happened. The other signed before offer sheets were an option, but he would have absolutely got them too.

I don't believe this was ever verified, just the marner fans stating it?
Columbus supposedly spoke to the agent about a 7 year deal but marner/agent wanted a 5 year one but no confirmation of a dollar figure.
Columbus would not surrender 4 1st rounders for 5 years (no team would) so it very well may have been smoke and mirrors from the marner camp ... manufactured sleight of hand ....

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

At this point I’m more worried about convincing Nylander to stay on this shitshow team.

 

[wingman75]

At this point I’m more worried about convincing Nylander to stay on this shitshow team.

If he is not signed by the deadline he has to be moved.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don't believe this was ever verified, just the marner fans stating it?

It was explicitly verified by Marner and his team.

 

[Notsince67]

I don't believe this was ever verified, just the marner fans stating it?
Columbus supposedly spoke to the agent about a 7 year deal but marner/agent wanted a 5 year one but no confirmation of a dollar figure.
Columbus would not surrender 4 1st rounders for 5 years (no team would) so it very well may have been smoke and mirrors from the marner camp ... manufactured sleight of hand ....

You don't believe? Marners agent publicly said Dubas knew about one of them yet no refutation...but you don't believe just because.

 

[freshwind]

You don't believe? Marners agent publicly said Dubas knew about one of them yet no refutation...but you don't believe just because.

i mentioned the agent ... but agents and gm's always tell the truth lol

regardless, i suppose the real question is - would we be better off if we had taken the 4 1sts? also, marner did not sign a rumoured offer sheet so it becomes irrelevant ...

 

[ACC1224]

i mentioned the agent ... but agents and gm's always tell the truth lol

regardless, i suppose the real question is - would we be better off if we had taken the 4 1sts? also, marner did not sign a rumoured offer sheet so it becomes irrelevant ...

All a myth, he was never going to sign an offer sheet.

 

[Antropovsky]

I don't believe this was ever verified, just the marner fans stating it?
Columbus supposedly spoke to the agent about a 7 year deal but marner/agent wanted a 5 year one but no confirmation of a dollar figure.
Columbus would not surrender 4 1st rounders for 5 years (no team would) so it very well may have been smoke and mirrors from the marner camp ... manufactured sleight of hand ....

The 22-year-old declined to say whether the either of the offer sheets were worth more than what he signed for in Toronto.

"I don't want to go into any of that," Marner said."Like I kind of told Darren, I didn't really want them so I didn't ask for too many details about it. I'm not going to get into that."

lol Both Marner and Ferris refuse to say if the offer sheets were for more money than the contract Dubas gave them. Clearly Dubas deal was for more money than the offersheets. Gotta love how, after he signed the contract, Marner goes into damage control and continually tries to sell himself as this devoted Toronto kid who only wanted to play for the Leafs and wouldn't sign offersheets...but the contracts were for less than the Leafs offers.

Dubas should have let other team's do the negotiating for him, like Carolina did with Aho and Montreal.

 

[Divine]

Re-sign Nylander
Trade Marner

Marner is ridiculous with his contract demands and has no threat to shoot. Instead of paying him 12M+ we can get two or three decent players to replace him.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Re-sign Nylander
Trade Marner

Marner is ridiculous with his contract demands and has no threat to shoot. Instead of paying him 12M+ we can get two or three decent players to replace him.

Who are these players and why would Marner waive his NMC?

 

[Gabriel426]

i mentioned the agent ... but agents and gm's always tell the truth lol

regardless, i suppose the real question is - would we be better off if we had taken the 4 1sts? also, marner did not sign a rumoured offer sheet so it becomes irrelevant ...

All a myth, he was never going to sign an offer sheet.

Imagine he did, what would those 4 1strounder be? Picks would be 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023.
Columbus picks in 2020 and 21 were in the late teens. Picked #5 and #6 in 2022 and 2023.

Don't think Leafs would be better off based on that but the questions are who would Leafs sign with MM cap space? Would Kap and AJ still fall off the cliff if they stayed with the Leafs? Would Kadri mature and not get suspended in the playoffs? Would they be able to lure Pietra to the Leafs instead of him signing with Vegas?

 

[Divine]

Who are these players and why would Marner waive his NMC?

1.) It changes every offseason.
2.) Marner is greedy, he wants an 8 year contract

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

The 22-year-old declined to say whether the either of the offer sheets were worth more than what he signed for in Toronto.

"I don't want to go into any of that," Marner said."Like I kind of told Darren, I didn't really want them so I didn't ask for too many details about it. I'm not going to get into that."

lol Both Marner and Ferris refuse to say if the offer sheets were for more money than the contract Dubas gave them. Clearly Dubas deal was for more money than the offersheets. Gotta love how, after he signed the contract, Marner goes into damage control and continually tries to sell himself as this devoted Toronto kid who only wanted to play for the Leafs and wouldn't sign offersheets...but the contracts were for less than the Leafs offers.

Dubas should have let other team's do the negotiating for him, like Carolina did with Aho and Montreal.

He made that video from the porch of his condo

 

[Jojalu]

Domi was a decent gamble (he got 56 f***ing points last year). He's not playing like his usual self and neither is Bertuzzi. Both these players played on other teams with grit. And it's not happened here. I dunno why that is but it's not a coincidence.

Detroit wasn't a gritty team at all.

 

[Antropovsky]

Domi was a decent gamble (he got 56 f***ing points last year). He's not playing like his usual self and neither is Bertuzzi. Both these players played on other teams with grit. And it's not happened here. I dunno why that is but it's not a coincidence.

Probably a coach and leadership issue. Seems to be a bit of a culture shock when players come here. It's the same discussion every single year about how quiet the Leafs leaders are and how they display little emotion. Look at the response to the Marchand hit. It was the same conversation by Keefe we've heard for years:

Head coach Keefe, whose team had the day off Friday, was asked about the lack of a physical response from his group in both the moment (Marchand play) and the immediate aftermath of the incident.

"I hated everything about, and I've addressed it," he said following Toronto's full morning skate at Scotiabank Arena. "It's not what we want to be about. At times we've responded very well in those situations.

"It's about consistency."

AND Reaves comments about the leaders response:
The bruising winger added players on the ice might not have realized what happened in the moment.

"But when [Marchand] skates by the bench, I think there probably could be a little more of a response there," Reaves said. "We will respond accordingly."

Watch the replay and Tavares...as usual...conoletely ignores Marchand skating by the bench.

its absolutely ridiculous that we keep trying to put more money into finding leaders for this team because the ones we are paying a ridiculous amount of money to sit silently and emotionless. It's also embarrassing that Keefe keeps talking about the lack of accountability by the Leaders of this team.

Tack on $450,000 more dollars on Marner, Matthews and Tavares contracts for the price of Reaves to try to make up for their lack of leadership abilities.

 

[Antropovsky]

Here is Marners fear of contact.... Watch him completely panic and throw this puck away when he thinks someone is gonna hit him. These are the same types of plays he constantly makes in the playoffs over the past few years:

 

[Antropovsky]

I was surprised to read that all time, Nylander only had 2 less primary assists than Marner on Matthews goals entering this season.

 

[Drytoast]

Detroit wasn't a gritty team at all.

But Bertuzzi was described as a gritty forward.

Here is Marners fear of contact.... Watch him completely panic and throw this puck away when he thinks someone is gonna hit him. These are the same types of plays he constantly makes in the playoffs over the past few years:

Yup.

 

[Jojalu]

But Bertuzzi was described as a gritty forward.


Yup.

Yes. I misread your post. Bertuzzi was indeed considered a gritty player.

Sorry for the off topic response