Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ACC1224]

I fully understand that. I am just trying to stress how critical it is that Toronto gets Willy extended. At the end of the day if we do lose him, it is because of Tavares‘ $11M aav. Treliving has to tell him that we need you to waive your no trade or something.

elite players with the skill set like Willys are far and few around the league.

Yes he needs to sign him but needs to find a more plausible route. Captain is going no where.

 

[ULF_55]

Yes he needs to sign him but needs to find a more plausible route. Captain is going no where.

Cap increase and Brodie isn't getting $5mm next year.

They'll make it work.

 

[ACC1224]

Cap increase and Brodie isn't getting $5mm next year.

They'll make it work.

I’m certainly not worried.

 

[Arzak]

We are not going to lose Nylander over 1 year of f***ing Tavares' contract. Absolutely not.

I agree, but at the same time, if Marner signed for 9 as RFA we would have no problem convincing Nylander to take 9.5 now.

 

[ULF_55]

I’m certainly not worried.

Yeah, it isn't something I worry about regardless of rental involved.

 

[TorMapleJays]

I have not voted on this because I dont want either of the two choices as I want him to stay and I think they will get it done.

Man he looks thicker out there too. Just stronger on the puck. He is going to do great things in the Blue and White for years to come.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I was previously of the opinion to hold firm in contract negotiations with Nylander, but I am coming around to the idea of paying him what he wants, even if it means taking a step back next season during the last year of Tavares' contract. If he is given the minutes he deserves and continues to reach his true potential, he will be worth 10 million per season in the prime years of his career.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I was previously of the opinion to hold firm in contract negotiations with Nylander, but I am coming around to the idea of paying him what he wants, even if it means taking a step back next season during the last year of Tavares' contract. If he is given the minutes he deserves and continues to reach his true potential, he will be worth 10 million per season in the prime years of his career.

I'm with you. I thought hold firm, we can't afford to give him 10, but this guy is a real talent and you can't afford to lose him because they differ by $500 000. Tavares will come off the books and the Cap is going up. Sacrifice one year but get him signed by the TDL.

 

[Notsince67]

$10M @ 7 years


i have been saying this for years.

Waiting for years for him to outperform Marner too.

 

[Notsince67]

I agree, but at the same time, if Marner signed for 9 as RFA we would have no problem convincing Nylander to take 9.5 now.

Lol if you think this is how it works.

 

[leafsfan5]

You pay this man 10 million and deal with the cap issues we face next year

He steps up in the playoffs, has a style that ages well, and keeps improving.

 

[stickty111]

9.5 was my max at 7 or 8 years, but if he wants 10, we shouldn't lose him over 500K. Give it to him. He'll be frustrating at times, but he keeps improving

 

[Stephen]

If we are able to secure Willie for $10 million, but ride out 2024-25 with JT's contract expiring and re-sign JT to something under $6 million, with some savings towards Mitch, we could actually get prime Willie and keep the band together for less than we're paying them now.

 

[horner]

If we are able to secure Willie for $10 million, but ride out 2024-25 with JT's contract expiring and re-sign JT to something under $6 million, with some savings towards Mitch, we could actually get prime Willie and keep the band together for less than we're paying them now.

Before JT is resigned we need to fix our defence.
We have alot of prospects that will be ready

This year
Knies Minten ( maybe sent back after 9 games ) Holmberg McMann

Next year
Cowen

2 years
Grebyonkin

As I said it is time to get the defence fixed

Sign
Willy 10 mil
Bertuzzi 6.5 mil

TDL defence
FA's defence

 

[Stephen]

Before JT is resigned we need to fix our defence.
We have alot of prospects that will be ready

This year
Knies Minten ( maybe sent back after 9 games ) Holmberg McMann

Next year
Cowen

2 years
Grebyonkin

As I said it is time to get the defence fixed

Sign
Willy 10 mil
Bertuzzi 6.5 mil

TDL defence
FA's defence

I’m also ok if we move on from JT after the contract. He’s not a must have for me but just showing how if JT and Nylander swapped salaries you could make it all work without even tapping into the cap increase.

 

[Sypher04]

If we are able to secure Willie for $10 million, but ride out 2024-25 with JT's contract expiring and re-sign JT to something under $6 million, with some savings towards Mitch, we could actually get prime Willie and keep the band together for less than we're paying them now.

Yup, I’ve been firmly firmly on the side of paying Willy like the star he is and making due with the one year crunch until Tavares 11m comes off the books. Nylander should be 100% prioritized over JT long term. Happy to keep JT but it’ll have to be for dramatically less.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Happy to keep JT but it’ll have to be for dramatically less.

Own rental

 

[nuck]

I’m also ok if we move on from JT after the contract. He’s not a must have for me but just showing how if JT and Nylander swapped salaries you could make it all work without even tapping into the cap increase.

But still winning nothing because of the cap distribution. The argument is never "is Willie a good player" ,thats obvious. It is whether it makes any sense to have a $10M number two RW in a cap environment. They soon will need to pay MM, goalies, new D and to stop shedding picks for retention. The idea that JTs salary moving alone solves everything seems extremely optimistic. Everyone will want a raise except JT so they are repeating the Dubas plan with a group that hasn't done anything in the post season. He will want a NM of course so they will be married to a big 3 for as long as Matthews sticks around. Look at the NJ cap distribution where not only none of the deals are gaggers, but even Hughes has a only has a modified NT by year 5. How can you compete with that with $35M NM on 3 players? (again).

Not slagging Willie but it would be something so be able to afford to pay a star D if one ever became available.

 

[Stephen]

But still winning nothing because of the cap distribution. The argument is never "is Willie a good player" ,thats obvious. It is whether it makes any sense to have a $10M number two RW in a cap environment. They soon will need to pay MM, goalies, new D and to stop shedding picks for retention. The idea that JTs salary moving alone solves everything seems extremely optimistic. Everyone will want a raise except JT so they are repeating the Dubas plan with a group that hasn't done anything in the post season. He will want a NM of course so they will be married to a big 3 for as long as Matthews sticks around. Look at the NJ cap distribution where not only none of the deals are gaggers, but even Hughes has a only has a modified NT by year 5. How can you compete with that with $35M NM on 3 players? (again).

Not slagging Willie but it would be something so be able to afford to pay a star D if one ever became available.

The point is the Matthews, Marner and Nylander and maybe even Tavares if we want can be kept by simply rebalancing the money they currently make without any impact to the rest of the cap. If Tavares stays he'll make significantly less, or a big chunk of his money will go to something else once all the new contracts for the other 3 are accounted for.

There's also over $20 million locked up in Samsonov, Klingberg, Brodie, Domi and Bertuzzi and that comes off the books after this year and we can do something else if we want or keep some combination of them...

And that's before you even factor in the cap increase.

 

[Evilhomer]

I was previously of the opinion to hold firm in contract negotiations with Nylander, but I am coming around to the idea of paying him what he wants, even if it means taking a step back next season during the last year of Tavares' contract. If he is given the minutes he deserves and continues to reach his true potential, he will be worth 10 million per season in the prime years of his career.

I don't get the sacrifice one year thing. Even with Tavares' contract, they don't have to sacrifice anything. They will simply pay less for a goalie.

 

[Arzak]

Lol if you think this is how it works.

I'm surprised that you of all people don't believe in internal cap structure. . .

Shocked Paul, you did it again !

 

[kb]

Exactly, with Brodie & Klingberg expiring this year, Tavares next, just give him 10 or as close to it and get it done. Will be worth every penny.

But this is also why you can't trade Timmins. The replacements will have to be cheaper.

 

[supermann_98]

Agreed we gotta give Willy what he's due and worry about the cap crunch while Tavares is still under contract. Not sure what Tavares may take to re-sign here on a team friendly deal but at his age hopefully it would be $5m or around there.

If not and he wants more well go look at all the Dmen who'll be UFA or RFA when he comes off the books:

Obviously some wont make it free agency but Hedman, Theodore, Chychrun, those guys would all be great Tavares replacements

 

[nuck]

The point is the Matthews, Marner and Nylander and maybe even Tavares if we want can be kept by simply rebalancing the money they currently make without any impact to the rest of the cap. If Tavares stays he'll make significantly less, or a big chunk of his money will go to something else once all the new contracts for the other 3 are accounted for.

There's also over $20 million locked up in Samsonov, Klingberg, Brodie, Domi and Bertuzzi and that comes off the books after this year and we can do something else if we want or keep some combination of them...

And that's before you even factor in the cap increase.

I think MM, WN and AM's increases will eat up all of the Tavares savings. And can they can rely on getting a legit #2 c for $5M or less? Do you spend money elsewhere on the assumption that's happening? Sami has to be re-signed or replaced and if Woll can actually play he will need a huge raise in 2 years. Even on the cheap side the goalies figure to cost more than this season and maybe a lot more if they don't see Samsonov or Woll as their #1 going forward.

The bolded do come off the books but they are collectively cheap for what they bring. Two top 4 D and two top 6 forwards for $17.5 is cheap. Boeser signed for $6.65 coming off 23 and 18g seasons. Scheifele got $8.5 x 7 and he is 51st in pp60 over the last 2 seasons among centers. That's the market out there if Bert or Domi show anything this year.

Rather than look at how the team can manage to squeeze Willie in if a bunch of things go right shouldn't we/they be looking at what the competition is spending to fill out the top of their roster? What Cup winners built like this? Willie is a fine talent but he isn't Messier or Clark or Trottier who bring something special to the table they don't have in AM and MM already.

I respect your opinion but it isn't like they were knocking on the door this last playoff. Resigning Willie is running it back.

 

[kb]

I think MM, WN and AM's increases will eat up all of the Tavares savings. And can they can rely on getting a legit #2 c for $5M or less? Do you spend money elsewhere on the assumption that's happening? Sami has to be re-signed or replaced and if Woll can actually play he will need a huge raise in 2 years. Even on the cheap side the goalies figure to cost more than this season and maybe a lot more if they don't see Samsonov or Woll as their #1 going forward.

The bolded do come off the books but they are collectively cheap for what they bring. Two top 4 D and two top 6 forwards for $17.5 is cheap. Boeser signed for $6.65 coming off 23 and 18g seasons. Scheifele got $8.5 x 7 and he is 51st in pp60 over the last 2 seasons among centers. That's the market out there if Bert or Domi show anything this year.

Rather than look at how the team can manage to squeeze Willie in if a bunch of things go right shouldn't we/they be looking at what the competition is spending to fill out the top of their roster? What Cup winners built like this? Willie is a fine talent but he isn't Messier or Clark or Trottier who bring something special to the table they don't have in AM and MM already.

I respect your opinion but it isn't like they were knocking on the door this last playoff. Resigning Willie is running it back.

MM is the year after......same year JT's $11 million comes off the books. The cap is going up $4 million for 2024/25, which pretty much covers the AM and WN raises. Then the cap goes up again for 2025/26, with Tavares' $11 million cap coming off the books.

It (raises) is all covered off by the rising cap, and depending on what type of deal JT wants, it could be a real opening for a big move.