Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

I do not follow our AHL team much but just looking at stats I was not blown away. Are there any players there you view as impressive? Seems like our best hopes may be the guys we have in college. Garand does seem to be having a good year though.
Chmelar and Roobroeck are having strong rookie seasons given their circumstances.

Othmann has been up and down and his significant wrist injury did not help

Sykora has been a top 3 F for the Pack but his NHL upside is limited imo

Berard shouldn't be in the AHL imo but he's not doing toooooo much down there

all I got really.
 
Chmelar and Roobroeck are having strong rookie seasons given their circumstances.

Othmann has been up and down and his significant wrist injury did not help

Sykora has been a top 3 F for the Pack but his NHL upside is limited imo

Berard shouldn't be in the AHL imo but he's not doing toooooo much down there

all I got really.

I would be curious if Sykora could help our 4th line with his speed.

I liked Berard but he has to show he has enough for a top 9 spot at least.

Hoping Oth can break out sometime.

Not familiar with the two other guys.
 
How about your own words?
the quote of my words is not inconsistent with anything I've said

CK
-- SHOULD be ltir healing
-- they are pressing him into the lineup to
a) make playoffs
AND
b) get zib going
-- not clear but it seems he can be sporadically in/out of lineup
participate at less intense level, and turn it on in spots

ZIB
- eye test establishes he is risk averse to contact
- hence his defense, esp his checking is sub-pitiful
ergo, he has to go

Others are acknowledging this w/his +/- etc

give it up, webster 2.0
 
There is a spot on this team for a player like Olivier, especially if they do the smart thing and try Edstrom at 3C long-term. I highly doubt CBJ allows him to leave though. I do expect us to be interest in Frederic for similar reasons
Frederic will be cheaper then Olivier ....by at least a million . I doubt the BJ's can afford to let Olivier go either....he means a lot to them .
 
the quote of my words is not inconsistent with anything I've said

CK
-- SHOULD be ltir healing
-- they are pressing him into the lineup to
a) make playoffs
AND
b) get zib going
-- not clear but it seems he can be sporadically in/out of lineup
participate at less intense level, and turn it on in spots

ZIB
- eye test establishes he is risk averse to contact
- hence his defense, esp his checking is sub-pitiful
ergo, he has to go

Others are acknowledging this w/his +/- etc

give it up, webster 2.0
If you can't admit Zib is playing far better than Kreider since the new year, you've lost all objectivity and should never be taken seriously again.
 
zib since jan 1 still atrocious and +/- is testament to that

also ck has a legit reason to be off
zib is a head case and does not
his non existent def still sucks
Yup -1 sure is terrible. Face it your argument is garbage and nonfactual.

Zibanejad since Jan 1: 5g, 11a, 16 pts, -1

Kreider since Jan 1: 4g, 3a, 7pts, +3

Its not hard for anyone to objectively see who has been better.
 
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I don't want to complain just worried: JT Miller looked great in games 1-2, the last 3 he's looked slow and like an older version of first stint Rangers Miller (a 50 point player).

If they can replace Lindgren and get Yanni Gourde for 3C at a coupon price, cool, if not just go with what you have and playoffs are house money. There are going to be some major changes as soon as the trade deadline and definitely during the week leading up to the draft.
 
Rangers have (had) guys that get 20 minutes/game, and guys that should get 20 minutes per game. Seems a good possibility Drury tried to move the ones getting the minutes, and when unable to do that, did some guys a favor and moved them so they could get 20 minutes elsewhere. I’m sure now that Fil and Kakko are gone, this will repeat itself for whoever is next up…
 
the quote of my words is not inconsistent with anything I've said

CK
-- SHOULD be ltir healing
-- they are pressing him into the lineup to
a) make playoffs
AND
b) get zib going
-- not clear but it seems he can be sporadically in/out of lineup
participate at less intense level, and turn it on in spots

ZIB
- eye test establishes he is risk averse to contact
- hence his defense, esp his checking is sub-pitiful
ergo, he has to go

Others are acknowledging this w/his +/- etc

give it up, webster 2.0
They were not playing together. Is your argument that the mere precense of Kreider on the bench the factor in getting Mika going?

More ad hominems. You are running out of runway fast.
 
I was more than fine starting the season with him on the first PP unit. In fact he did get some reps on PP1 when Mika was really struggling, but he did less than nothing with the opportunity. Not that I don't think that the knucklehead coach went back to Mika a bit too soon when the PP didn't improve.

Fast forward to the present & yes I have a huge problem handing him a spot now when he's shown so many lazy traits, specifically in his own end where he refuses to backcheck. His biggest issue is that he keeps imitating his linemate who is also immune from accountability, but is a turnover machine with the worst lazy habits on the team.

Maybe if he was disciplined or sat for a game a two, then comes back moving his feet while being fully engaged for more than a week, I'd have no problem giving him another shot with the 1st unit. Until I see some of that laziness coached out of him, he's just another member of this entitled core who got paid, then checked out.
Don’t get me started. ……
it’s actually crazy to say I’d rather trade a guy who produces points like Bread then have him on the current roster.
Most will probably think I’m crazy, but for the fans who actually watch every minute of each game know that when he’s gone it will be addition by subtraction for the good of the overall team……
Everyone that plays with him for an extended period of time seems like their entire overall play suffers and as you said, imitations of his style and overall type of game he plays seems to rub off on his linemates. And not for the better. Laffy has certainly picked up some of his bad habits. Zibby should be a case study for how his overall game changed……..
Panarin had world class vision and hockey sense with a filthy pair of mitts as well. But he will never abandon his cross ice fancy passes and allergy to body contact even when It’s clear as day that it has a .0001 chance of working in tight meaningful big games…..
He and Zibby both add to their stats tremendously on the PP where they take the lions share of the time and benefit from the other team having a man less on the ice. It drives me up a wall.
It’s great you can score on a man advantage, but in the playoffs when the game is tighter, opposing teams PKs are better, and penalties overall take a dip in being called, you’re left with what exactly ????
Gutless p***yfied 5 V 5 play and high danger low chance offense….
It’s also obvious that winning 1v1 lose puck opportunities take a giant dip as well….
I rather sink or swim with Laffy getting the minutes and put him on millers wing at even strength and hope he mimics the style of a star player who has the skill+will combo opposed to skill vs will style Panarin has….. high end skill, but unwilling or unable to do what separates winning from losing in big time games at big time moments…..
What absolutely killed me was our last game against FLA in the conference finals last year. Guy is invisible and timid most of the series, and when the panthers drop the nail in the coffin and take the 2 goal lead, bread not only wins a loose puck battle, stick handles in a high danger area thru the middle of the ice,( where he never was all series long), and rips a filthy wrister under the bar to beat BOB.
He waited for the game to all but over before giving maximum effort and actually taking a chance by putting his body on the line to make a needed play with a minute left and 2 goals down?!?!
he was a ghost for the entire game and shows heart in the 58/59th minute after going down 2??
Overall, it wasn’t his worst playoff showing with the rangers either. But that entire sequence of events and the way it all played out just made me really sour on the type of player he is and style he has. My feelings now are the End of his deal can’t come soon enough.
Hes not a leader. In the room. He pretends to to speak any English.
Doesn’t really do any interviews or questions with reporters, when is the last time you heard him going out of his way to help a rookie? Take him under his wing and mentor him?? Be a role model??? Never. And never will. Just not type of guy he is…. That is fine. He doesn’t have to be because I want him to, but it’s also not the type of guy/vet player I want schooling my younger guys and teaching them his bad habits either.
Zibby is pretty similar in every metric.
Kreider at least does those things those other guys don’t. Even when he runs cold for stretches or just had a terrible year like he’s having now. Hes also getting on in years. But imo, for them length of his current contract, he still has gas in the tank due to how hard he trains and how he keeps his body.
As long as Artemi gets paid and keeps producing ( points wise) he’s good with that. If he can get a cup, great. But it’s obviously not a top priority to him.
I’m just done….

Panarin/KAM/Lindgren/vesey/smith
I want you all gone from this team.
Zibby too, but ain’t happening this year/offseason

Kreider, I love ya, but it’s time for you to go as well. I hope you get traded to a contender with a chance for you to hoist the cup on the remaining years of your current contract. You’ve been a class act and a great ranger since you steeped in the ice.

Cuylle/laf in top 6 min/situtations/ special teams….
Make way for Perrault. Give him an opportunity to make the big club in a top 9 role.
Sign or trade for a very good top pair D for Fox and make his life easier for a change
Get some youth/hunger injected in the line up with some smart vet signings that have leadership and can play
 
Don’t get me started. ……
it’s actually crazy to say I’d rather trade a guy who produces points like Bread then have him on the current roster.
Most will probably think I’m crazy, but for the fans who actually watch every minute of each game know that when he’s gone it will be addition by subtraction for the good of the overall team……
Everyone that plays with him for an extended period of time seems like their entire overall play suffers and as you said, imitations of his style and overall type of game he plays seems to rub off on his linemates. And not for the better. Laffy has certainly picked up some of his bad habits. Zibby should be a case study for how his overall game changed……..
Panarin had world class vision and hockey sense with a filthy pair of mitts as well. But he will never abandon his cross ice fancy passes and allergy to body contact even when It’s clear as day that it has a .0001 chance of working in tight meaningful big games…..
He and Zibby both add to their stats tremendously on the PP where they take the lions share of the time and benefit from the other team having a man less on the ice. It drives me up a wall.
It’s great you can score on a man advantage, but in the playoffs when the game is tighter, opposing teams PKs are better, and penalties overall take a dip in being called, you’re left with what exactly ????
Gutless p***yfied 5 V 5 play and high danger low chance offense….
It’s also obvious that winning 1v1 lose puck opportunities take a giant dip as well….
I rather sink or swim with Laffy getting the minutes and put him on millers wing at even strength and hope he mimics the style of a star player who has the skill+will combo opposed to skill vs will style Panarin has….. high end skill, but unwilling or unable to do what separates winning from losing in big time games at big time moments…..
What absolutely killed me was our last game against FLA in the conference finals last year. Guy is invisible and timid most of the series, and when the panthers drop the nail in the coffin and take the 2 goal lead, bread not only wins a loose puck battle, stick handles in a high danger area thru the middle of the ice,( where he never was all series long), and rips a filthy wrister under the bar to beat BOB.
He waited for the game to all but over before giving maximum effort and actually taking a chance by putting his body on the line to make a needed play with a minute left and 2 goals down?!?!
he was a ghost for the entire game and shows heart in the 58/59th minute after going down 2??
Overall, it wasn’t his worst playoff showing with the rangers either. But that entire sequence of events and the way it all played out just made me really sour on the type of player he is and style he has. My feelings now are the End of his deal can’t come soon enough.
Hes not a leader. In the room. He pretends to to speak any English.
Doesn’t really do any interviews or questions with reporters, when is the last time you heard him going out of his way to help a rookie? Take him under his wing and mentor him?? Be a role model??? Never. And never will. Just not type of guy he is…. That is fine. He doesn’t have to be because I want him to, but it’s also not the type of guy/vet player I want schooling my younger guys and teaching them his bad habits either.
Zibby is pretty similar in every metric.
Kreider at least does those things those other guys don’t. Even when he runs cold for stretches or just had a terrible year like he’s having now. Hes also getting on in years. But imo, for them length of his current contract, he still has gas in the tank due to how hard he trains and how he keeps his body.
As long as Artemi gets paid and keeps producing ( points wise) he’s good with that. If he can get a cup, great. But it’s obviously not a top priority to him.
I’m just done….

Panarin/KAM/Lindgren/vesey/smith
I want you all gone from this team.
Zibby too, but ain’t happening this year/offseason

Kreider, I love ya, but it’s time for you to go as well. I hope you get traded to a contender with a chance for you to hoist the cup on the remaining years of your current contract. You’ve been a class act and a great ranger since you steeped in the ice.

Cuylle/laf in top 6 min/situtations/ special teams….
Make way for Perrault. Give him an opportunity to make the big club in a top 9 role.
Sign or trade for a very good top pair D for Fox and make his life easier for a change
Get some youth/hunger injected in the line up with some smart vet signings that have leadership and can play
every time. you rant and rant and preach to the choir about bread, kreider, zib, echoing sentiments most posters here have largely acknowledged.

then you go and inexplicably lump K Miller in. what's your issue with him??
 
They were not playing together. Is your argument that the mere precense of Kreider on the bench the factor in getting Mika going?

More ad hominems. You are running out of runway fast.
"they were not playing together."
It is factually true that sometimes they were and sometimes not
your continued attempt to misrepresent = bs

"Is your argument that the mere precense of Kreider on the bench the factor in getting Mika going?"
no
and = mo bs by you
 
every time. you rant and rant and preach to the choir about bread, kreider, zib, echoing sentiments most posters here have largely acknowledged.

then you go and inexplicably lump K Miller in. what's your issue with him??

People still haven't processed the fact that K Miller was being weighed down by the mother of all anchors and haven't updated their view on him.
 
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I don't want to complain just worried: JT Miller looked great in games 1-2, the last 3 he's looked slow and like an older version of first stint Rangers Miller (a 50 point player).

If they can replace Lindgren and get Yanni Gourde for 3C at a coupon price, cool, if not just go with what you have and playoffs are house money. There are going to be some major changes as soon as the trade deadline and definitely during the week leading up to the draft.
Lavi got his hands on him...only explanation
 
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"they were not playing together."
It is factually true that sometimes they were and sometimes not
your continued attempt to misrepresent = bs

"Is your argument that the mere precense of Kreider on the bench the factor in getting Mika going?"
no
and = mo bs by you
Seriously Bern? Zibanejad and Kreider did not play on the same line for over a month. Your statement that poor Kreider is being forced to play just to get Mika going is lunacy.

This is ridiculous. I am done.
 
The salary cap tab is still running. If you're a team with limited space, why use that space for a player when your next game is not until February 22? The player will not be able to skate with the new team because everyone else is on vacation or just relaxing at home. I remember hearing on the Rangers broadcast before the trade to Vancouver Filip Chytil is going back home to Czechia during the break. He could already be there. I read the players who aren’t participating in the 4 Nations are required to report on February 18. They have about nine days off. Maybe teams will make a trade around the 18th so the new player can join the team and they save cap space by waiting until then.
 

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