Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[SnowblindNYR]

Yeah, no to Tarasenko round 2. He isn't what he was and it's not like we're a final piece short.



High danger stats please.

Context, people.



Not a trade I'd make and I'm not even a big KAM fan.

High danger chances are important but I would think that they go down somewhat proportionately with shots. At some point even if you allow quite a few high danger chances per shot the goalies still needs to make saves.

 

[tiggles]

People do realize that just because Fox is currently playing with a terrible defenseman, it's not mandatory to only suggest other terrible defensmen to replace him, right?

 

[Siddi]

Perhaps you expect us to take you at yr word on that in this instance due to the following...
Just the other day you made a statement that Kreider is being forced into the lineup so he can prop up Mika and then went quiet when you got called out on the fact that Mika and Kreider are not on the same line.

How about your own words?

Ck should not be playing, should be on LTIR
howev, he deserves positive for at least trying to contribute while injured
given Drury is too stupid to let him heal and call up Berard/Oth, just so we can cater to zib and hope to get him going

 

[Siddi]

If you're asking if the NHL or the Rangers have a stat for shit plays that costs us a loss......I'm unaware of anything like that. That said he's often been the culprit when a decisive goal has been scored against us. Also though here is a guy who is well out in front of all his teammates in the +/- at a -24 after 55 games. That prorates over an 82 game season to something like a -36 by the way. Lots of people do not like that stat but when a top player making a lot of money has that kind of number it pretty much signifies that things aren't going to be going well for his team. Your top 6 player and the top 6 line he's on is bleeding goals left and right when its key player the center is a -24 after 55 games. That's too big a number to be made up for even on a killer power play. From my perspective that minus number does justice to what my eyes have been seeing.

He has been playing better the last month or so and that's nice but it might be too late for the team to make the playoffs. As far as I'm concerned this season has been a disaster and Mika is not the only one I'm disappointed with---Kreider, K'Andre Miller, Lafreniere and to lesser degree Sheshterkin, Panarin and Trocheck.

All fair points when talking about Mika pre x-mas break but you said that Trocheck is the better player right now and that Kreider has had the better season. Those statements are wrong in my opinion, especially if you look at the analytics.. Mika has been the teams best forward since the break. Trocheck is on a steady decline since the break. Kreider is just a mess and has been all season long.

 

[pld459666]

Do you really want to pay Zegras 5.75 mil to be our 3rd line center? We're already spending 22.6 mil on our top 3 centers, and one of them is playing RW.

If you're paying Zegras 5.75 mil, how are you replacing K'Andre?

If we can find a way to move Mika, it would make more sense, but you'd have to tell me who is replacing K'Andre on defense. And even still, I don't see the point in bringing in someone like Zegras just to play him on the 3rd line and 2nd PP unit. We've seen how that tends to work out. If you want a 3rd line center, then get someone who is a better fit for that role.

Not Zegras, but Trocheck as our 3rd line center is more appealing.

I want to shed Mika as well. If the Ducks take Mika 1 for 1 for Zegras, thats awesome, but it doesn't take away from the fact that I want to move on from Key as well.

I don't think he's a smart or positionally sound player.

Make way to many poor decisions and he's been in the league long enough for those to have been weened out of his game.

 

[JohnC]

People do realize that just because Fox is currently playing with a terrible defenseman, it's not mandatory to only suggest other terrible defensmen to replace him, right?

It’s just the Stockholm syndrome.

We didn’t respect Ryan McDonagh enough to give him a real partner so why would we respect Fox enough?

This fanbase is dumb enough to sacrifice McDonagh because he couldn’t carry around Girardi anymore and he was getting hit with some injuries - we all know how that worked out for us and Tampa. It’s equally dumb enough to want to do the same thing with Fox who’s the significantly better player.

 

[NickyFotiu]

We need to clean house, Drury, coaching staff, development staff everyone. We have some decent players in the minors who don't seem to be improving all that much, it needs to be fixed before Perrault gets here. We can't have him forced into the nhl in a shut down role, all this needs fixing.

I do not follow our AHL team much but just looking at stats I was not blown away. Are there any players there you view as impressive? Seems like our best hopes may be the guys we have in college. Garand does seem to be having a good year though.

 

[effen]

They're still gonna sell. O ye of little faith.

 

[noncents]

Clearing the puck is an art. Boston failed twice yesterday to clear the puck. Zadorov failed to clear the puck yesterday. Stone PPG. Carlo failed to clear the puck in the 3rd period which resulted in the Vegas disallowed goal when Stone kneed Swayman in the heads. The entire sequence came from Carlo failing to clear the puck. Eichel last Sunday against the Rangers. Just ice the puck. Don't try to make a play with the puck. All of the goals result from mistakes.

it becomes a lot harder to do without a strong and flexible system. the more you have to think about what play to make, the less chance it works.

 

[Raspewtin]

I do not follow our AHL team much but just looking at stats I was not blown away. Are there any players there you view as impressive? Seems like our best hopes may be the guys we have in college. Garand does seem to be having a good year though.

Chmelar and Roobroeck are having strong rookie seasons given their circumstances.

Othmann has been up and down and his significant wrist injury did not help

Sykora has been a top 3 F for the Pack but his NHL upside is limited imo

Berard shouldn't be in the AHL imo but he's not doing toooooo much down there

all I got really.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Chmelar and Roobroeck are having strong rookie seasons given their circumstances.

Othmann has been up and down and his significant wrist injury did not help

Sykora has been a top 3 F for the Pack but his NHL upside is limited imo

Berard shouldn't be in the AHL imo but he's not doing toooooo much down there

all I got really.

I would be curious if Sykora could help our 4th line with his speed.

I liked Berard but he has to show he has enough for a top 9 spot at least.

Hoping Oth can break out sometime.

Not familiar with the two other guys.

 

[bernmeister]

How about your own words?

the quote of my words is not inconsistent with anything I've said

CK
-- SHOULD be ltir healing
-- they are pressing him into the lineup to
a) make playoffs
AND
b) get zib going
-- not clear but it seems he can be sporadically in/out of lineup
participate at less intense level, and turn it on in spots

ZIB
- eye test establishes he is risk averse to contact
- hence his defense, esp his checking is sub-pitiful
ergo, he has to go

Others are acknowledging this w/his +/- etc

give it up, webster 2.0

 

[leetch99]

There is a spot on this team for a player like Olivier, especially if they do the smart thing and try Edstrom at 3C long-term. I highly doubt CBJ allows him to leave though. I do expect us to be interest in Frederic for similar reasons

Frederic will be cheaper then Olivier ....by at least a million . I doubt the BJ's can afford to let Olivier go either....he means a lot to them .

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

the quote of my words is not inconsistent with anything I've said

CK
-- SHOULD be ltir healing
-- they are pressing him into the lineup to
a) make playoffs
AND
b) get zib going
-- not clear but it seems he can be sporadically in/out of lineup
participate at less intense level, and turn it on in spots

ZIB
- eye test establishes he is risk averse to contact
- hence his defense, esp his checking is sub-pitiful
ergo, he has to go

Others are acknowledging this w/his +/- etc

give it up, webster 2.0

If you can't admit Zib is playing far better than Kreider since the new year, you've lost all objectivity and should never be taken seriously again.

 

[bernmeister]

If you can't admit Zib is playing far better than Kreider since the new year, you've lost all objectivity and should never be taken seriously again.

zib since jan 1 still atrocious and +/- is testament to that

also ck has a legit reason to be off
zib is a head case and does not
his non existent def still sucks

 

[SA16]

zib since jan 1 still atrocious and +/- is testament to that

also ck has a legit reason to be off
zib is a head case and does not
his non existent def still sucks

He's a whopping -1 at 5v5 since January 1. Real atrocious.

I might pull up the Gotham app and use the Rewind Feature to see how many of the GA he was at fault for.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

zib since jan 1 still atrocious and +/- is testament to that

also ck has a legit reason to be off
zib is a head case and does not
his non existent def still sucks

Yup -1 sure is terrible. Face it your argument is garbage and nonfactual.

Zibanejad since Jan 1: 5g, 11a, 16 pts, -1

Kreider since Jan 1: 4g, 3a, 7pts, +3

Its not hard for anyone to objectively see who has been better.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Penguins claim Kolyachonok; Kings’ Englund, Kraken’s Stephens on waivers

Vladislav Kolyachonok recorded five points in 23 games with the Utah Hockey Club this season.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Andreas Englund News: Lands on waivers | RotoWire

Englund was put on waivers Sunday, according to Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet.

www.rotowire.com

Please claim Englund, to replace Lindgren

 

[Vitto79]

Englund on waivers. D depth just cause Jones likely a goner ?

Can sign a cheap ufa 7th D as a ufa if it doesn’t work out

 

[Mandar]

If you can't admit Zib is playing far better than Kreider since the new year, you've lost all objectivity and should never be taken seriously again.

Taken seriously? Who does this?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't want to complain just worried: JT Miller looked great in games 1-2, the last 3 he's looked slow and like an older version of first stint Rangers Miller (a 50 point player).

If they can replace Lindgren and get Yanni Gourde for 3C at a coupon price, cool, if not just go with what you have and playoffs are house money. There are going to be some major changes as soon as the trade deadline and definitely during the week leading up to the draft.

 

[Hodes42]

Rangers have (had) guys that get 20 minutes/game, and guys that should get 20 minutes per game. Seems a good possibility Drury tried to move the ones getting the minutes, and when unable to do that, did some guys a favor and moved them so they could get 20 minutes elsewhere. I’m sure now that Fil and Kakko are gone, this will repeat itself for whoever is next up…

 

[Vitto79]

Can they trade during the 4 nations ?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Can they trade during the 4 nations ?

Yes.

 

[Siddi]

the quote of my words is not inconsistent with anything I've said

CK
-- SHOULD be ltir healing
-- they are pressing him into the lineup to
a) make playoffs
AND
b) get zib going
-- not clear but it seems he can be sporadically in/out of lineup
participate at less intense level, and turn it on in spots

ZIB
- eye test establishes he is risk averse to contact
- hence his defense, esp his checking is sub-pitiful
ergo, he has to go

Others are acknowledging this w/his +/- etc

give it up, webster 2.0

They were not playing together. Is your argument that the mere precense of Kreider on the bench the factor in getting Mika going?

More ad hominems. You are running out of runway fast.