Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[thewave]

This isn’t the first time Nylander has been left off these. I’ve never really understood it

The organization has been a clown show for decades. It's completely stupid and a little thing that players pick up on and say, oh I see I am not really core. No worries I will make sure I go elsewhere and take max money as$holes.

He is a popular player here, 40 goals. He deserves to be on the little banners and things like that. I see the omission and I think petty childish losers in those offices and nothing else. There is a reason we haven't won in a long time and maybe this isn't it, but if there is a whole lot of this sort of thing you bet your butts it can make a difference.

 

[Racer88]

I don't think it's ideal to have two $10M+ wingers, even with Tavares off the books. Rather save that money for the blue line which has desperately needed a top 4 D (or two) since Shanny took over. Even more so now that Muzzin is done and Brodie looks like he's slowing down.

And waiting until Johnny is off the books is a ridiculous notion. This team needs to be building to win now, this season. And they can't afford the depth they need or the a strong enough blueline with the Big 4 still under contract. It is a shame that this team still insists that they can and will win with their current structure. 7 years of failure says they can't.

I am certain they won't but since Marner is likely untouchable, move Willie and give Treliving the cap freedom to fill out the roster they way he wants. Re-signing Nylander just keeps him handcuffed for another 2 seasons.

Just wait until we have one of those wingers making 12-13 per year

 

[thewave]

disclaimer: I have no knowledge or proof; just putting on my tinfoil hat

Just wondering, whats the probability that Nylander's camp is stuck on 10+AAV while Tre would have said that kind of dough in the market, in general, is for centers not wingers unless its a very elite winger.

So Tre and Willy's camp come to an understanding that:
We will give Nylander a chance to play center; if he excels then we will give him the coveted 10+AAV contract; if he doesn't then we will offer Nylander a winger deal (8 to 9 AAV); and it will be up to Willy to either accept it or seek a higher AAV in the UFA market.

Cons: Willy walks as UFA and Leafs don't get anything for him
Pros: Willy may actually be better as a center OR he may actually accept the winger's deal as he was afforded full chance to display his mettle as a center

Sidebar: I really don't think Willy will get an offer for 9.5+ AAV as a UFA for 7 years unless some team is really desperate.





we have a new "Core4" -> Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Tavavres

where is Willy?

The only core I see here that's worth a damn is Matthews and Rielly. JT is over the hill, they should buy him out and sign Nylander and move on with with life. Marner I don't really think he has the playoff jam to get it done but the kids here like him so whatever.

 

[Notsince67]

The organization has been a clown show for decades. It's completely stupid and a little thing that players pick up on and say, oh I see I am not really core. No worries I will make sure I go elsewhere and take max money as$holes.

He is a popular player here, 40 goals. He deserves to be on the little banners and things like that. I see the omission and I think petty childish losers in those offices and nothing else. There is a reason we haven't won in a long time and maybe this isn't it, but if there is a whole lot of this sort of thing you bet your butts it can make a difference.

Pretty rich coming from someone who slams every player not named Nylander

 

[thewave]

Pretty rich coming from someone who slams every player not named Nylander

Just above I said and have always accepted Matthews and Morgan as core. I didn't even include Nylander in that statement a few posts up. Admittedly he would be in my core for his goal scoring and wheels. I dislike JT and Marner about equally for the price they are being paid. If JT today were making 6m and Marner about 8m-9m you wouldn't hear a peep out of me.

I want to win. The contracts of those two are not helping at all. Losing Nylander because JT is stupid.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Before trading Nylander. Trade Tavares if possible. Retain 5 million. He does not deserve the captaincy anymore. Give Matthews the captaincy, no chance that room listens to Tavares more than Matthews. U can not buyout Tavares, its not worth it. They would only say 600k on the cap.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Before trading Nylander. Trade Tavares if possible. Retain 5 million. He does not deserve the captaincy anymore. Give Matthews the captaincy, no chance that room listens to Tavares more than Matthews. U can not buyout Tavares, its not worth it. They would only say 600k on the cap.

Obviously trading JT would be best, but he wants to stay here, and Dubas made it impossible to get rid of him without his consent (while overpaying him badly). Trade proof and buyout proof - you'd think Dubas was his agent instead of his GM.

Our only hope is that Tre can manage to keep from trading Nylander until JT's contract expires.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

The only way I would feel comfortable giving Nylander 9 Million a year or above is if Tavares left. He is not a 10 million dollar player.

 

[Beaumaris]

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Two captains ?

 

[ToneDog]

The only way I would feel comfortable giving Nylander 9 Million a year or above is if Tavares left. He is not a 10 million dollar player.

I'm in full agreement. I wonder what GM(s) out there would pay him his ask? Bet the list is very small.

 

[Notsince67]

I'm in full agreement. I wonder what GM(s) out there would pay him his ask? Bet the list is very small.

Ottawa or Buffalo might if they miss the playoffs this year.

 

[mjd1001]

Ottawa or Buffalo might if they miss the playoffs this year.

Maybe. Ottawa has shown an interest in bringing moving in and out vets. They are in a spot where they have most of the young core they want but there is room to bring in another guy or two to give them an extra push.

Buffalo no way. They have WAY too many guys looking to break into that Roster. They have 5 first round picks that are on the verge of moving up to the big club in the next year or so, none of them look like total busts yet, and if they did want to bing in an 'nhl ready guy', I think they would look to hometowner Patrick Kane. (personally I think it would be a mistake for them to bring in Kane, but someone on a short 1-2 year deal is more likely while their young guys mature).

 

[Notsince67]

Maybe. Ottawa has shown an interest in bringing moving in and out vets. They are in a spot where they have most of the young core they want but there is room to bring in another guy or two to give them an extra push.

Buffalo no way. They have WAY too many guys looking to break into that Roster. They have 5 first round picks that are on the verge of moving up to the big club in the next year or so, none of them look like total busts yet, and if they did want to bing in an 'nhl ready guy', I think they would look to hometowner Patrick Kane. (personally I think it would be a mistake for them to bring in Kane, but someone on a short 1-2 year deal is more likely while their young guys mature).

Buffalo has missed the playoffs 12 seasons straight. They can't afford Ottawa leaf frogging too far ahead.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The only way I would feel comfortable giving Nylander 9 Million a year or above is if Tavares left. He is not a 10 million dollar player.

I'm not sure he ever was a $10M player, let alone the $11M Dubas paid him. Fortunately only two years left.

Nylander at $7 this year and maybe $9.5 next year is more palatable at 2C than JT at $11.

 

[mjd1001]

Buffalo has missed the playoffs 12 seasons straight. They can't afford Ottawa leaf frogging too far ahead.

Doesn't matter. If they have a bunch of young guys they are really, really high on, to them THAT may be the way to not miss the playoffs anymore.

If anything it lends to them doing just that. They tried to speed up their rebuild in the past and make it to the playoffs by taking a young core (Reinhart, Eichel) and adding Evander Kane, Ryan O'Reilly. Robin Lehner and others to it and it blew up in their face. Kevin Adams as GM is adamant he will not do the same, and a large part of why he was hired by Buffalo ownership is because they do not want to add the high priced vets like before because (for them) it didn't work before.
I'd be shocked if Buffalo had ANY interested in Nylander.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Two captains ?

And both wearing 91?

 

[Strangle]

So the question is: if other teams are willing to give Willy $10M, is it a ridiculous overpayment for Toronto to give him that?

There seems to be a huge discrepancy between the "if he wants more than 9 trade him" and the "lots of other teams will give him 10 (or more)" viewpoints.

I think he’s worth about $10m for sure, so there should be teams that will give it to him.

Those teams won’t be contenders though, like the leafs are.

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The new core 4

 

[Arzak]

I think he’s worth about $10m for sure, so there should be teams that will give it to him.

Those teams won’t be contenders though, like the leafs are.


The new core 4

It was always dynamic trio. Nylander was never paid like a member of the core.

We'll pay Marner 13M for his elite unicorn skills. Nylander will get 8M + privilege of being the core 4 ?


Leafs can overpay just about anyone as long as it's not Nylander .
He should go UFA, sign 1 year contract elsewhere.

You know the Leafs would gladly pay two 1sts for him and sign him @$11M .

 

[Strangle]

It was always dynamic trio. Nylander was never paid like a member of the core.

We'll pay Marner 13M for his elite unicorn skills. Nylander will get 8M + privilege of being the core 4 ?


Leafs can overpay just about anyone as long as it's not Nylander .
He should go UFA, sign 1 year contract elsewhere.

You know the Leafs would gladly pay two 1sts for him and sign him @$11M .

This isn’t communism though, you pay your best player the most and so on. Nylander isn’t the best player on the team.

Tavares you get an argument on, but for most of nylanders career, Tavares has been a better player. That may have changed last season

Nylander has never been better than matthews or Marner though

 

[notDatsyuk]

This isn’t communism though, you pay your best player the most and so on. Nylander isn’t the best player on the team.

Tavares you get an argument on, but for most of nylanders career, Tavares has been a better player. That may have changed last season

Nylander has never been better than matthews or Marner though

I'm not sure he's been given a chance to show whether he's better. Matty and Mitch usually play together, while Willy is saddled with JT. His points per 60 is right up there with M&M, despite playing with worse linemates, and when he gets a chance to play with Matty he excels.

I don't think there's as much difference as some people believe. Certainly not $4M difference.

 

[Strangle]

I'm not sure he's been given a chance to show whether he's better. Matty and Mitch usually play together, while Willy is saddled with JT. His points per 60 is right up there with M&M, despite playing with worse linemates, and when he gets a chance to play with Matty he excels.

I don't think there's as much difference as some people believe. Certainly not $4M difference.

That’s fair, if you honestly believe that.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Our Leafs are pretty much screwed as long as there is a CAP system in place .. no one can win paying 4 forwards half of CAP .. impossible .. D and G win Cups .. we got 1 D .. and even he is not great defensively .. only chance is Woll becomes a top 5 this year which is possible .. even then Tree going to have to people to get D to help Rielly

 

[supermann_98]

The expression “the apple doesn't fall far from the tree” is often used to describe how children tend to inherit the characteristics of their parents.

Have you not seen Willy’s hair compared to his dad’s? No comparison. Seriously tho Michael Nylander may have chased every cent to provide for his family and Willy grew up rich because of his dad’s NHL salary and may not have to same sense of squeezing out every last cent on his own salary demands.

 

[notdoneyet]

If we are to contend this year we need a way better defense.
Gio too old
Lilly still learning
Reilly needs that physical defensive dman to flourish
Benoit just a 7/8
Klingberg not a top 4
McCabe just ok
Brodie looking like too many hard miles

Realistically speaking we can’t trade matthews
Marner or Tavares even if we should
So that leaves Willy to trade for some defensive help.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Our Leafs are pretty much screwed as long as there is a CAP system in place .. no one can win paying 4 forwards half of CAP .. impossible .. D and G win Cups .. we got 1 D .. and even he is not great defensively .. only chance is Woll becomes a top 5 this year which is possible .. even then Tree going to have to people to get D to help Rielly

Only two more years until the Tavares contract goes away!