Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Evilhomer]

Nylanders extension imo gets announced by around the tdl or before. Too close of a gap and too much positive rhetoric around it for it not to

I think he will sign well before the trade deadline.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander is signifcanrly worse than all those guys like no where near comparable

Ehlers, Fiala, Reinhart, Meier, Bratt

Those are his comparable not the guys you mentioned

Nylander is a elite winger but he isnt a guy that is a franchise player

3rd best forward and 4th-5th best player level for a cup contender

Nylander top 20 among forwards (and fifth among RW, to the ones I named).

Two if your 'comparables' were 48th and 49th, and the others lower.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Why is he getting 11%?

Look at what other 70-80 pt wingers have gotten recently or expected to get?

Meier --> 10.54%
Fiala --> 9.5%
Bratt --> 9.55%

Over the last three seasons, only 12 wingers have more points and only 10 have more goals.

Over the last two seasons, only 12 wingers have more points and only 11 have more goals.

Last season, only 7 wingers have more points and only 7 have more goals.

At even strength last year, only 3 wingers had more goals and only 7 had more points.

None if the players you mention are even or above in any of those.

 

[kb]

Why is he getting 11%?

Look at what other 70-80 pt wingers have gotten recently or expected to get?

Meier --> 10.54%
Fiala --> 9.5%
Bratt --> 9.55%

You are comparing 2 players RFA contracts to UFA contracts. That's not how the NHL works. No mattet what anyone on this board thinks.

As far as Fiala, it took until 2 season ago for Fiala to hit 60 points. Except for his shortened year, Nylander has had no less than that evrry year.

Not a comparable.

 

[Racer88]

So the question is: if other teams are willing to give Willy $10M, is it a ridiculous overpayment for Toronto to give him that?

There seems to be a huge discrepancy between the "if he wants more than 9 trade him" and the "lots of other teams will give him 10 (or more)" viewpoints.

We can’t base our offer based on what other owners are willing to give him as I’m betting that none of them have 50% of their cap spent on 4 similar forwards.

 

[notDatsyuk]

We can’t base our offer based on what other owners are willing to give him as I’m betting that none of them have 50% of their cap spent on 4 similar forwards.

Does our budget constraint change his value, or just what we can pay him?

The posters I was responding to seem to think he is worth over $10M to other teams, but not worth that as a Leaf.

"We can't afford him at $10M" (which I don't think is true, especially after JT's contract ends), is different that "he's not worth $10M except to other teams".

 

[Racer88]

Does our budget constraint change his value, or just what we can pay him?

The posters I was responding to seem to think he is worth over $10M to other teams, but not worth that as a Leaf.

"We can't afford him at $10M" (which I don't think is true, especially after JT's contract ends), is different that "he's not worth $10M except to other teams".

Ok I get it now. Lol.
agreed it doesn’t change his value just what we can pay him. He will probably be a casualty of the Tavares nightmare

 

[DarkKnight]

I find this interesting…

 

[Sypher04]

I find this interesting…View attachment 746156

This isn’t the first time Nylander has been left off these. I’ve never really understood it

 

[Menzinger]

You are comparing 2 players RFA contracts to UFA contracts. That's not how the NHL works. No mattet what anyone on this board thinks.

As far as Fiala, it took until 2 season ago for Fiala to hit 60 points. Except for his shortened year, Nylander has had no less than that evrry year.

Not a comparable.

10-11ish % seems to be the sweet spot for the eventual Nylander deal.

 

[ACC1224]

I find this interesting…View attachment 746156

Isn’t that all the players with a letter?

 

[DarkKnight]

Isn’t that all the players with a letter?

True! My bad.

 

[Bluebear]

most of the comparables would probably have bigger AAV if they had put themselves up for bid during UFA. If that's what W.N. does he is probably worth his ask. Treliving and Nylander's agent probably know aprox what he is worth as a UFA and its a question of whether the Leafs pay early to retain him...

 

[ULF_55]

Someone mentioned this previously, Leafs in Sweden?

That would be an ideal location to sign an extension.

 

[Nineteen67]

Someone mentioned this previously, Leafs in Sweden?

That would be an ideal location to sign an extension.

I was spit-balling during the summer and thought it was a respectful thing to do. Also, doing the right thing is good publicity.
That only works if they have already agreed on a contract

 

[kevsh]

"We can't afford him at $10M" (which I don't think is true, especially after JT's contract ends), is different that "he's not worth $10M except to other teams".

I don't think it's ideal to have two $10M+ wingers, even with Tavares off the books. Rather save that money for the blue line which has desperately needed a top 4 D (or two) since Shanny took over. Even more so now that Muzzin is done and Brodie looks like he's slowing down.

And waiting until Johnny is off the books is a ridiculous notion. This team needs to be building to win now, this season. And they can't afford the depth they need or the a strong enough blueline with the Big 4 still under contract. It is a shame that this team still insists that they can and will win with their current structure. 7 years of failure says they can't.

I am certain they won't but since Marner is likely untouchable, move Willie and give Treliving the cap freedom to fill out the roster they way he wants. Re-signing Nylander just keeps him handcuffed for another 2 seasons.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't think it's ideal to have two $10M+ wingers, even with Tavares off the books. Rather save that money for the blue line which has desperately needed a top 4 D (or two) since Shanny took over. Even more so now that Muzzin is done and Brodie looks like he's slowing down.

And waiting until Johnny is off the books is a ridiculous notion. This team needs to be building to win now, this season. And they can't afford the depth they need or the a strong enough blueline with the Big 4 still under contract. It is a shame that this team still insists that they can and will win with their current structure. 7 years of failure says they can't.

I am certain they won't but since Marner is likely untouchable, move Willie and give Treliving the cap freedom to fill out the roster they way he wants. Re-signing Nylander just keeps him handcuffed for another 2 seasons.

I agree it's not ideal, but it wasn't ideal (or even smart) to have two $11M centres, especially 4 or 5 years ago.

Hopefully Willy signs for less ($9.5?) and moves to 2C. That still leaves us with one really bad contract that we are stuck with.

I still think it would be wrong to trade the one of the four who performs best in the playoffs, who's still playing this year for under $7, and even at $10M is likely the best bargain.

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[keonsbitterness]

So it's official -- the Leafs will re-sign him.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I agree it's not ideal, but it wasn't ideal (or even smart) to have two $11M centres, especially 4 or 5 years ago.

Hopefully Willy signs for less ($9.5?) and moves to 2C. That still leaves us with one really bad contract that we are stuck with.

I still think it would be wrong to trade the one of the four who performs best in the playoffs, who's still playing this year for under $7, and even at $10M is likely the best bargain.

Hard to win with 1 10m winger let alone 2.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Hard to win with 1 10m winger let alone 2.

Nothing we can do about the one $10M winger we have, or the $11M 3C.

Hopefully at least one of them will be gone in two years.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Nothing we can do about the one $10M winger we have, or the $11M 3C.

Hopefully at least one of them will be gone in two years.

Tbh if we get Nylander locked up to a good deal, we should look at trading Marner for a stud Dman. In 2 years:

Knies Matthews Nylander
Bertuzzi Minten Cowan
Domi Tavares(4m) Jarnkrok
Holmberg Kampf Lafferty
Reaves

Reilly Drysdale (or someone like him)
McCabe Liljegren
________ Timmins

 

[PromisedLand]

disclaimer: I have no knowledge or proof; just putting on my tinfoil hat

Just wondering, whats the probability that Nylander's camp is stuck on 10+AAV while Tre would have said that kind of dough in the market, in general, is for centers not wingers unless its a very elite winger.

So Tre and Willy's camp come to an understanding that:
We will give Nylander a chance to play center; if he excels then we will give him the coveted 10+AAV contract; if he doesn't then we will offer Nylander a winger deal (8 to 9 AAV); and it will be up to Willy to either accept it or seek a higher AAV in the UFA market.

Cons: Willy walks as UFA and Leafs don't get anything for him
Pros: Willy may actually be better as a center OR he may actually accept the winger's deal as he was afforded full chance to display his mettle as a center

Sidebar: I really don't think Willy will get an offer for 9.5+ AAV as a UFA for 7 years unless some team is really desperate.

I find this interesting…View attachment 746156

we have a new "Core4" -> Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Tavavres

where is Willy?

 

[DarkKnight]

disclaimer: I have no knowledge or proof; just putting on my tinfoil hat

Just wondering, whats the probability that Nylander's camp is stuck on 10+AAV while Tre would have said that kind of dough in the market, in general, is for centers not wingers unless its a very elite winger.

So Tre and Willy's camp come to an understanding that:
We will give Nylander a chance to play center; if he excels then we will give him the coveted 10+AAV contract; if he doesn't then we will offer Nylander a winger deal (8 to 9 AAV); and it will be up to Willy to either accept it or seek a higher AAV in the UFA market.

Cons: Willy walks as UFA and Leafs don't get anything for him
Pros: Willy may actually be better as a center OR he may actually accept the winger's deal as he was afforded full chance to display his mettle as a center

Sidebar: I really don't think Willy will get an offer for 9.5+ AAV as a UFA for 7 years unless some team is really desperate.





we have a new "Core4" -> Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Tavavres

where is Willy?

I guess it’s the captain and assistants, my bad inference there.

 

[notDatsyuk]

disclaimer: I have no knowledge or proof; just putting on my tinfoil hat

Just wondering, whats the probability that Nylander's camp is stuck on 10+AAV while Tre would have said that kind of dough in the market, in general, is for centers not wingers unless its a very elite winger.

So Tre and Willy's camp come to an understanding that:
We will give Nylander a chance to play center; if he excels then we will give him the coveted 10+AAV contract; if he doesn't then we will offer Nylander a winger deal (8 to 9 AAV); and it will be up to Willy to either accept it or seek a higher AAV in the UFA market.

Cons: Willy walks as UFA and Leafs don't get anything for him
Pros: Willy may actually be better as a center OR he may actually accept the winger's deal as he was afforded full chance to display his mettle as a center

Sidebar: I really don't think Willy will get an offer for 9.5+ AAV as a UFA for 7 years unless some team is really desperate.





we have a new "Core4" -> Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Tavavres

where is Willy?

Those are the four with letters.

There are several permutations of 'top four', depending on your criteria.

Top four forwards: Matty, Mitch, Willy, and JT.

Top four cap hits: Matty, JT, Mitch, and Mo.

Top four players: Matty, Mitch, Willy, and Mo.

Top four playoff performers: Mo, Willy, Sammy, and ?