Confirmed with Link: [NYI/TOR] Pierre Engvall for 2024 3rd round pick

[IslesNorway]

This move makes little sense if he's not extended. I'm okay with the deal but it doesn't move the needle either way.

 

[Fist of Fury]

"Ooh-la-la Pierre"

 

[The Winter Soldier]

This is a pure rental IMO. I am of the opinion that does not like using draft capital unless a team is making the playoffs. In this case, this deal will help the Isles. Worth noting Engvall has 11 ESG playing on what was a weak bottom 6. he didn’t have a strong play making Center or was in a position to play offensively. Almost zero PP time. So call me intrigued with this deal. He was certainly not one of the bottom 6 players I would have moved on that team. Strange deal by Dumbass, Lou is doubling down on making the playoffs. This could be a sneaky deal. That can turn out very good or at worst Lou lost a 3rd for a rental unless Engvall lights it up.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Tough to see Engvall go from this Leaf fan's POV. He brings that rare element of size and speed with a strong possession game and steady defense. Those tools are quite desirable in any player.

But he's a player that we found that you want more from. With his size, he isn't overly physical or imposing. Offensively, he's average around all around with no standout skill/shot/playmaking.

I believe there was a sense that after letting Mikheyev go last off-season, Engvall would have stepped up and progressed to be more of an impact player. But he hasn't.

What's notable (and why the Leafs likely moved him) is his underwhelming playoff performance to date. 0 goals, 4 assists in 17 games and hasn't made much of an impact off the scoresheet. Combine that with the fact that he's a UFA, it's sensible that the Leafs wanted to go another direction for a playoff run. Not to mention the Leafs have a lot of wingers on the farm so it's unlikely he would be re-signed.

Still, there are strong elements to his game that you'll like. He won't be useless. He will be an asset in possession in and puck movement in the bottom 6, assuming he'll go there. So pair him with some checking forwards and it can be an effective line.

Given his size/speed he could always be a late bloomer in offensive production too, but I don't think it's likely..

 

[doublechili]

I hope we are not helping the Leafs win a cup by taking this guy off their hands

Doubtful this tips the scales one way or the other.

I may find myself rooting for the Leafs depending on who they play. If they win the prize, so be it. Better them than the NYR or Devs.

 

[Drew311]

Solid bottom 6 guy. Leafs desperate to win and gave him up. I don’t like that but hopefully it’s because they needed to give to bring in some of the guys they’re acquiring

Big kid but soft as butter. Shies away from contact at all costs, never seen him in front of the net. I think with the Leafs wanting to improve intensity/grit they were ok getting rid of Engvall. That being said, he's had some nice offensive stretches. Definitely has some skill but very inconsistent.

 

[saintunspecified]

This move makes little sense if he's not extended. I'm okay with the deal but it doesn't move the needle either way.

Looking at numbers/production it doesn't, but it adds a competent player when NYI are playing forwards who shouldn't be playing at the NHL level. I bet the coach looks at this as moving the needle. Going from a soft skilled big forward who so slow that he is a liability (Koivula) to a soft skilled big forward who is definitely fast enough for the NHL (Engvall) is a significant upgrade.

I expected NYI to add someone like Sheary. But considering that Washington got that same price for Marcus Johansen, I imagine that Sheary is going to cost a bit more.

I would not be surprised to see another move of this kind. NYI need to restock the bottom 6, and one way to to do that is to bring guys in who might like it here.

 

[Taswell]

This is a pure rental IMO. I am of the opinion that does not like using draft capital unless a team is making the playoffs. In this case, this deal will help the Isles. Worth noting Engvall has 11 ESG playing on what was a weak bottom 6. he didn’t have a strong play making Center or was in a position to play offensively. Almost zero PP time. So call me intrigued with this deal. He was certainly not one of the bottom 6 players I would have moved on that team. Strange deal by Dumbass, Lou is doubling down on making the playoffs. This could be a sneaky deal. That can turn out very good or at worst Lou lost a 3rd for a rental unless Engvall lights it up.

Lou has locked up every deadline acquisition he's gotten for us to this point, hasn't he? First time for everything, I suppose.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Sounds a lot like Nelson pre-Trotz when he was aptly named "Lady Jane"

 

[PK Cronin]

Lou has locked up every deadline acquisition he's gotten for us to this point, hasn't he? First time for everything, I suppose.

Zajac was allowed to retire.

 

[Chardo]

Big kid but soft as butter. Shies away from contact at all costs, never seen him in front of the net. I think with the Leafs wanting to improve intensity/grit they were ok getting rid of Engvall. That being said, he's had some nice offensive stretches. Definitely has some skill but very inconsistent.

Islanders are not lacking in intensity or grit, or net-front players.

Word is he's good on the boards. But he's soft. Which is it?

 

[saintunspecified]

Islanders are not lacking in intensity or grit, or net-front players.

Word is he's good on the boards. But he's soft. Which is it?

I've read that he's good on the cycle because his mobility/reach makes him very difficult to cover.

IMO that's helpful. Even if our bottom 6 doesn't let up goals, they play with the ice tilted against them. It is painful to watch Koivula chasing the puck. Simply having some cycle time in the offensive zone on the bottom 6 will help the top 6.

Sometimes when I'm watching NYIs game, I scream "move your feet, then look for the pass" to our player with the puck trying to break-out clear the defensive zone like they're my 10 y/o lacrosse players. If Engvall does this, even without the socring bit, that's great:



Just saying, that's a really really nice stride.

 

[Chardo]

Tough to see Engvall go from this Leaf fan's POV. He brings that rare element of size and speed with a strong possession game and steady defense. Those tools are quite desirable in any player.

But he's a player that we found that you want more from. With his size, he isn't overly physical or imposing. Offensively, he's average around all around with no standout skill/shot/playmaking.

I believe there was a sense that after letting Mikheyev go last off-season, Engvall would have stepped up and progressed to be more of an impact player. But he hasn't.

What's notable (and why the Leafs likely moved him) is his underwhelming playoff performance to date. 0 goals, 4 assists in 17 games and hasn't made much of an impact off the scoresheet. Combine that with the fact that he's a UFA, it's sensible that the Leafs wanted to go another direction for a playoff run. Not to mention the Leafs have a lot of wingers on the farm so it's unlikely he would be re-signed.

Still, there are strong elements to his game that you'll like. He won't be useless. He will be an asset in possession in and puck movement in the bottom 6, assuming he'll go there. So pair him with some checking forwards and it can be an effective line.

Given his size/speed he could always be a late bloomer in offensive production too, but I don't think it's likely..

Team has Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc, and they lament Engvall not scoring?

 

[Drew311]

Islanders are not lacking in intensity or grit, or net-front players.

Word is he's good on the boards. But he's soft. Which is it?

In my opinion he's not good on the boards as he doesn't have the drive to win most puck battles. Long reach though so he's good at poking pucks away from opponents without actually having to touch them.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

 

[CupHolders]

Anyone else find it interesting that Bourne essentially is describing his Father… albeit a poorer version without the finishing skills.

 

[saintunspecified]

Anyone else find it interesting that Bourne essentially is describing his Father… albeit a poorer version without the finishing skills.

I don't think that Bourne would have been a 30 goal scorer in today's game. So much more mobility up and down lineups - his physical advantages wouldn't have carried him so far.

 

[mm11]

This is a pure rental IMO. I am of the opinion that does not like using draft capital unless a team is making the playoffs. In this case, this deal will help the Isles. Worth noting Engvall has 11 ESG playing on what was a weak bottom 6. he didn’t have a strong play making Center or was in a position to play offensively. Almost zero PP time. So call me intrigued with this deal. He was certainly not one of the bottom 6 players I would have moved on that team. Strange deal by Dumbass, Lou is doubling down on making the playoffs. This could be a sneaky deal. That can turn out very good or at worst Lou lost a 3rd for a rental unless Engvall lights it up.

why do feel the Isles may try this guy on LW between Horvat and #13 one day next few weeks..thoughts?

 

[Amadeus]

This guys had all the tools to be a PF but just is mentally soft. If you can wake that side up and he becomes consistently physical, because he has the tools, the built for it, he's a solid player.

 

[crashthenet]

This is a pure rental IMO. I am of the opinion that does not like using draft capital unless a team is making the playoffs. In this case, this deal will help the Isles. Worth noting Engvall has 11 ESG playing on what was a weak bottom 6. he didn’t have a strong play making Center or was in a position to play offensively. Almost zero PP time. So call me intrigued with this deal. He was certainly not one of the bottom 6 players I would have moved on that team. Strange deal by Dumbass, Lou is doubling down on making the playoffs. This could be a sneaky deal. That can turn out very good or at worst Lou lost a 3rd for a rental unless Engvall lights it up.

ESG number was last year if I am remembering (what I read yesterday) correctly.

 

[Mike C]

why do feel the Isles may try this guy on LW between Horvat and #13 one day next few weeks..thoughts?

If #13 is back in the next few weeks, I don't care where they put this new guy

 

[doublechili]

Anyone else find it interesting that Bourne essentially is describing his Father… albeit a poorer version without the finishing skills.

I did think of that, although I'll just opine that his dad was a nice player who benefitted greatly from the guys he played with.

 

[CupHolders]

His name is Giraffe. He's tall skilled and can turn it on at times...will pretend to be very vicious after a fight has started. He has gear and skill but sometimes goes missing, he's a good boy overall.

There are many Giraffe Gifs that you'll find handy...

Here's one to get you all started.

@sabremike. Be aware you are on notice!

#TageThompsonSolutions

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Oleg Kvasha 2.0?

 

[CupHolders]

Oleg Kvasha 2.0?

That’s the other similarity I was thinking of. Poor Oleg, imagine him having to play in today’s NHL… with the helmet off the head rules.