Proposal: UTA - EDM Deadline deal

[Fixed to Ruin]

Utah doesn't need more picks. They have too many as it is.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Kesselring is a borderline top 4 D and could become much better than that. The fact he's a 5/6 on Utah doesn't mean much. He'd arguably be the 2nd or 3rd best D-man on Oilers in the future.

like... how far in the future? When the rest of the D group dies?

He's not better than Ekholm, Bouchard, or Nurse. He'd comfortably be the 4th best D on the Oilers. That said OP is poor value for Utah. Vejmelka's worth a first on his own.

The value falls apart from an Edmonton POV with no Kesselring, though. Also I don't particularly want Bjugstad back. He was pretty poor in the playoffs for us. Playing him against the Eichel line was a coaching mistake by woodcroft, but Bjugstad still got thoroughly schooled.

 

[Dead Coyote]

like... how far in the future? When the rest of the D group dies?

He's not better than Ekholm, Bouchard, or Nurse. He'd comfortably be the 4th best D on the Oilers. That said OP is poor value for Utah. Vejmelka's worth a first on his own.

The value falls apart from an Edmonton POV with no Kesselring, though. Also I don't particularly want Bjugstad back. He was pretty poor in the playoffs for us. Playing him against the Eichel line was a coaching mistake by woodcroft, but Bjugstad still got thoroughly schooled.

He's not better than Ekholm or Bouchard, but he is definitely better than Nurse. He's a similar player to Nurse but much cheaper, isn't prone to occasionally being braindead in his own zone, and has the potential to hit the peak of Nurse. Ekholm is also getting to the point where he's quite old, as is Nurse. 5 years from now I wouldn't be shocked if neither were in the league.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

He's not better than Ekholm or Bouchard, but he is definitely better than Nurse. He's a similar player to Nurse but much cheaper, isn't prone to occasionally being braindead in his own zone, and has the potential to hit the peak of Nurse. Ekholm is also getting to the point where he's quite old, as is Nurse. 5 years from now I wouldn't be shocked if neither were in the league.

I like Kesselring, but he's not better than Nurse. Nurse's contract sucks, but he's a better player. There's a reason he's playing 23 minutes a night for one of the best teams in the league and Kesselring averages 18-19.

Agreed, Utah should hang onto him, though.

 

[SEALBound]

Nope.

For the millionth time, Utah isn't Arizona. They aren't dumping their good roster players every year. They aren't trading Kesselring or Vejmelka unless there are legitimate, equal or better value pieces coming back.

 

[TFHockey]

like... how far in the future? When the rest of the D group dies?

He's not better than Ekholm, Bouchard, or Nurse. He'd comfortably be the 4th best D on the Oilers. That said OP is poor value for Utah. Vejmelka's worth a first on his own.

The value falls apart from an Edmonton POV with no Kesselring, though. Also I don't particularly want Bjugstad back. He was pretty poor in the playoffs for us. Playing him against the Eichel line was a coaching mistake by woodcroft, but Bjugstad still got thoroughly schooled.

I don't quite agree with that. I think he as a pending UFA is worth more like a 3rd. I am not disparaging Vejmelka when I say this, I am referring to the reality of Goalie transactions in todays NHL. I proposed the Oilers go get him because I like him.

Fair point on Bjugstad. I added him in the offer because Edmonton needs a bottom six center.

 

[Kelevra]

What's this obsession with Kesselring? Yes we (oilers) made a bad trade. But this guy gets like 16 mins a night. He's a good player on a good contract but lets be real, he's not a significant improvement on guys like Emberson or Klinberg, why are oiler fans so obsessed with getting him back.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I don't quite agree with that. I think he as a pending UFA is worth more like a 3rd. I am not disparaging Vejmelka when I say this, I am referring to the reality of Goalie transactions in todays NHL. I proposed the Oilers go get him because I like him.

Fair point on Bjugstad. I added him in the offer because Edmonton needs a bottom six center.

No reason for utah to trade their goalie for a 3rd. They arent lacking in those type of picks. Not like hes even blocking a stud youngster.

 

[BKarchitect]

What's this obsession with Kesselring? Yes we (oilers) made a bad trade. But this guy gets like 16 mins a night. He's a good player on a good contract but lets be real, he's not a significant improvement on guys like Emberson or Klinberg, why are oiler fans so obsessed with getting him back.

You’re not wrong on the obsession thing but you are significantly underrating Kesselring. His average TOI this year is about 19 minutes a game and he was putting in heavy minutes before some of their vets started to come back and looked fantastic in a top four role. His improvement curve is exciting and he’s a 6-5 dude with legit two-way capabilities.

He’s a top four defenseman (in capability and results), full stop, and he’s got the potential to get better. He’s a wildly higher level than Emberson and Klingberg.

 

[TFHockey]

No reason for utah to trade their goalie for a 3rd. They arent lacking in those type of picks. Not like hes even blocking a stud youngster.

Yeah, I think he gets dealt only if he is clearly not going to resign there.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He's not better than Ekholm or Bouchard, but he is definitely better than Nurse. He's a similar player to Nurse but much cheaper, isn't prone to occasionally being braindead in his own zone, and has the potential to hit the peak of Nurse. Ekholm is also getting to the point where he's quite old, as is Nurse. 5 years from now I wouldn't be shocked if neither were in the league.

Nurse hasn't had any defensive issues this season at all. It's almost as if he was having to cover for an awful partner or something.

If Kesselring has the potential to hit Nurse's peak (which I assume you don't understand, if you think Nurse is significantly worse than Ekholm and Bouchard this year), how can you say he is better than Nurse?

As per the age thing, a lot of mid level NHL players flame out of the NHL before 30. If we're looking at 5 years from now, yes, Ekholm will be retired, and Nurse will either be retired on the verge of it, but Kesselring is 25 - his prime could be behind him at that age as well.

What's this obsession with Kesselring? Yes we (oilers) made a bad trade. But this guy gets like 16 mins a night. He's a good player on a good contract but lets be real, he's not a significant improvement on guys like Emberson or Klinberg, why are oiler fans so obsessed with getting him back.

People are seeing that Kesselring has shown significant improvement this year, and that he makes very little. In that sense, he makes for an ideal fit to play beside Nurse. The only issue is that Utah shouldn't really want to move him at all, for the exact reasons we wish we never traded him.

 

[rt]

Woof. This is a very bad trade for Utah. Great for Edmonton though. Haha.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Utah getting wrecked here.

 

[Czechboy]

I want Vej badly. I agree Utah shouldn't trade him but if he's going to free agency (to get paid) then I don't see why hang on to him? He walks for free or you get something. It's what makes Vej a great trade target.

I'm seeing a 1st for a rental goalie.. I'm not sure? Seems high given his UFA status. If he were signed for 3 years at a reasonable contract then yeah a first is reasonable.

I'd pay a first but I think Vej could get us over the top.

 

[Kelevra]

You’re not wrong on the obsession thing but you are significantly underrating Kesselring. His average TOI this year is about 19 minutes a game and he was putting in heavy minutes before some of their vets started to come back and looked fantastic in a top four role. His improvement curve is exciting and he’s a 6-5 dude with legit two-way capabilities.

He’s a top four defenseman (in capability and results), full stop, and he’s got the potential to get better. He’s a wildly higher level than Emberson and Klingberg.

I have not watched him play. Numbers look good. Contract looks good. Playing under 20 mins a night on a fringe playoff team is not a top 4dman imo.

I agree he's better than Emberson and Klinberg, but I think the gap is the big and I don't thinkadding him to upgrade either of them moves the needle for the oilers at all, would be wasting assets for no ro reason.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Nurse hasn't had any defensive issues this season at all. It's almost as if he was having to cover for an awful partner or something.

If Kesselring has the potential to hit Nurse's peak (which I assume you don't understand, if you think Nurse is significantly worse than Ekholm and Bouchard this year), how can you say he is better than Nurse?

As per the age thing, a lot of mid level NHL players flame out of the NHL before 30. If we're looking at 5 years from now, yes, Ekholm will be retired, and Nurse will either be retired on the verge of it, but Kesselring is 25 - his prime could be behind him at that age as well.


People are seeing that Kesselring has shown significant improvement this year, and that he makes very little. In that sense, he makes for an ideal fit to play beside Nurse. The only issue is that Utah shouldn't really want to move him at all, for the exact reasons we wish we never traded him.

I didn't say this year, I said as a player. Nurse's defense was a pretty big factor in Edmonton losing the cup last year and it's been multiple years where he's been inconsistent at best. I don't think Kesselring is better now than Nurse was at his peak, but I do think he's a better player at the moment- if Nurse continues to play like he has and Kesselring doesn't continue to improve by Leaps and bounds it's a lot closer. It's close in general anyways. I wouldn't bet on Kesselring continuing to improve but I also wouldn't bet on Nurse continuing to play like he has for 3-5 more years. That makes Kesselring more valuable due to age and contract.

And Kesselrings prime is just happening now, how long it lasts no one knows but there's a good chance that it could last for 8 years as that's usually when D-men start declining and Kesselring is big and doesn't play a style of game that will deteriorate or that relies on skating. Kesselring isn't a mid level NHL player at this point. Whether he stays on Utah or not IDK, but on many teams he'd be a top 4 d-man and arguably should be on Utah, and he has the chance to push to be a #1D-man on other teams or potentially Utah.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I didn't say this year, I said as a player. Nurse's defense was a pretty big factor in Edmonton losing the cup last year and it's been multiple years where he's been inconsistent at best. I don't think Kesselring is better now than Nurse was at his peak, but I do think he's a better player at the moment- if Nurse continues to play like he has and Kesselring doesn't continue to improve by Leaps and bounds it's a lot closer. It's close in general anyways. I wouldn't bet on Kesselring continuing to improve but I also wouldn't bet on Nurse continuing to play like he has for 3-5 more years. That makes Kesselring more valuable due to age and contract.

And Kesselrings prime is just happening now, how long it lasts no one knows but there's a good chance that it could last for 8 years as that's usually when D-men start declining and Kesselring is big and doesn't play a style of game that will deteriorate or that relies on skating. Kesselring isn't a mid level NHL player at this point. Whether he stays on Utah or not IDK, but on many teams he'd be a top 4 d-man and arguably should be on Utah, and he has the chance to push to be a #1D-man on other teams or potentially Utah.

Sorry, but it is completely ridiculous to suggest that Kesselring is better than Nurse right now. That's one of the most outlandish things I have ever read on this site. Nurse is playing the best hockey of his life.

 

[Heldig]

What's this obsession with Kesselring? Yes we (oilers) made a bad trade. But this guy gets like 16 mins a night. He's a good player on a good contract but lets be real, he's not a significant improvement on guys like Emberson or Klinberg, why are oiler fans so obsessed with getting him back.

He is mile better than Emberson.

 

[cobra427]

Sorry, but it is completely ridiculous to suggest that Kesselring is better than Nurse right now. That's one of the most outlandish things I have ever read on this site. Nurse is playing the best hockey of his life.

I think dead coyote might be right, better than Nurse now. Kesselring is maybe the biggest surprise in Utah this year, Cooley/Gunts had high expectations but Kesslering did not. He is still young at 25 and improving rapidly on both sides of the puck, he is a top 4d right now and could improve, he has been a good 2 way player. Utah needs better top 4D and better top 2cs. Cooley is one of the Cs, Hayton might be the other although I think he is a solid 3C now.

A need would be a 2C, but trading a young cheap up and coming player like Kesslering is the opposite of what Armstrong would do. As others have mentioned, Utah has plenty of picks and prospects. Armstrong needs to make the playoffs this year or next, his job depends on it, futures that help 3 years out aren't in the plans. What is available from Utah would be Crouse or Maccelli, both are having off years for what ever reason and are more likely to be traded at the TDL then anyone else.